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    Exclamation Las Vegas Eric Scott Memorial March!

    On another thread the idea was brought up to make a Las Vegas strip OC walk in honor of Eric Scott's shooting. Post if you think this is a great idea and lets try to come up with a plan and notify the media. I think this could get some excellent positive coverage and honor Eric's untimely death.

    Perhaps even expand to CC'iers and individuals who feel his death was unjust.

    Post your idea's

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    I think it would be wise to wait until as many details as we are going to get are released. Who knows, maybe they will be able to fix the tapes by then.

    It seems like this wont be until the coroners inquest in September, but it would probably be better to wait.

    Its funny how theres a bunch of people on here that try to work together with police, we are all on the same side, both good guys, etc. but then can turn on them in an instant when something like this happens.

    It would be pretty embarrassing if we did this march, and a week later a video surfaces showing him reaching for his shirt or with gun in hand before dropping it after being shot as stated by metro. At this point, everything is speculation, and even if you are convinced he did nothing wrong, we cannot be sure of that yet, and things might change.

    I say its a good idea, but we should wait.
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    We can't jump the gun on this (we're not Metro). Our job right now is to wait, even if it sucks to do so. A lot of people will forget by then, but we won't. When the time comes we need to blow this up Oscar Grant Style.

    And as far as the cop love/hate relationship, I don't think anything has changed. Nobody here hates all cops, just the ones who commit crimes. And If the department choses to cover-up said crimes, it would be rational to start pointing fingers at the leadership as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paintsnow View Post
    Its funny how theres a bunch of people on here that try to work together with police, we are all on the same side, both good guys, etc. but then can turn on them in an instant when something like this happens.
    I'm on the cops' side when they deserve it. I'm glad to say that this is most of the time -- but it is not ALL of the time, and I don't let the badge cloud my thinking. Each case is separate and unique.

    Cops are NOT on OUR side. The best we can hope for is that our contacts with them are good ones, but they will "turn on us in an instant" if they think they should.

    That said, until the video either comes out or is "deemed lost," I am trying to see both sides of this.

    If the video doesn't show up, that pretty much tells us that Costco and the cops are protecting each other. But the video may tell us that they were justified in shooting, too.

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    I think it was Abraham Lincoln that said something like....

    If a man is right I will stand with him! If he is wrong he will stand alone!

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    Given the wide publicity and negative public reaction, if there was any video that incriminated Mr. Scott and justified the shooting, it would have been plastered all over the internet and every major news outlet by now.

    Oh, and one thing I'm curious about: I've seen it spelled by "Eric" and "Erik", and possibly even "Erick". Anyone know for sure?

    Edit: I did some research, and multiple sources confirm that it was "Erik B. Scott".

    Among others, the West Point Association of Graduates lists it that way: http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1994/51662/
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    Coverage of the Erik Scott memorial ceremony:

    http://www.lvrj.com/news/man-killed-...-98695649.html

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    I just hope this doesn't swept under the rug.. It seems to be getting a fair amount of press but at the same time, if the public doesn't keep up the pressure... we may never find out the truth. Hopefully more evidence will surface.

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    No one can above the law?

    Tuesday afternoon, I went to my rental property to collect my rent from O, a BLK male (I just found out he is rapist and still in a crime suit charged as Battery) who owes me rent and utilities for 2 months.
    O ran out and called police on me, lied about that I illegally locked him out and my appliances and furniture was his.
    Without any doubt, the two police offers instruct him to get into my property to take my stuff.
    To protect my property, I told those police that without searching order they couldn’t get into my house then I went to another door in my garage to get O’s cloth, shoes…out, I heard the police told him that he could break into my house to get HIS STUFF, such as TV, DVD…then I heard a gigantic bang in my kitchen…I ran to my kitchen, I found that O throw a huge gardening rock into my kitchen which broken my window…I got totally pissed, the only thought on my mind was just let him took whatever he want and leave me alone, so I tried to throw out the TV which was in the living room right next to the kitchen. Unfortunately it was too heavy, then I grab the DVD and throw it out from the broke window…then I heard the two police were trying to break though my entrance doors…I ran to hide in one of the rooms’ closet…I heard them kicked in…then two guns pointed to my head…then I was arrested and put in jail with two crime charges…I finally bailed myself out on Friday…after I back from the indicial court and went back to that property, O still here, remember he said he got knocked out by me and moved his belonging in front of those police?!And you better believe it, he is still live in my property! While I faces two crime charges, and might be deported for those charges.
    I don’t believe that police can break into my property without any court order and while I got arrested, I got malicious injuries…
    I left my country, came to this country to pursuit FREEDOM and HAPPYNESS, and contribute 10 years of my best time to her, live here alone with the hope I can get my parents here to cure my loneness after I get my citizenship; I don’t believe I should be treat like this, my citizenship examination is close, I’m in need of legal help…here is my email: fordailyuse@ymail.com
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    vforvendetta, is ericfromparuhmp, is erichonda30, is a troll, and a fool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by liveinVegas View Post
    Tuesday afternoon, I went to my rental property to collect my rent ...
    You posted this in an existing thread about the Erik Scott Memorial March. Please start a new thread about your problems.

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    Honestly I think we should go ahead and try to plan something. The video is long gone. The coroners inquest has been postponed indefinitely what else are they going to do to buy themselves time to get all of the stories the same before going to the media.

    The lvmpd has covered up most of the officer involved shootings and they probably will continue to do so. For the Scott family I really hope that they have enough money to try to get something out of them.

    I respect the good cops which there really aren't many in this town. With enough money they can be bought out. I just wish the state and or Feds can be brought into this and really do a real investigation. Enough of the dept doing their own investigations. I know a lot of places where a different dept is brought in to conduct the investigation if there is an officer involved or it's an interal affair.

    Sorry about the long post but I'm sick of hearing people say we should hold off on doing these types of things to wait and see what's going to happen. What's going to happen is nothing. They will wait untill the topic has been dropped and at rest for at least a year before they will release anything. If we keep pressure on them and keep pushing and pushing and trying to help the family the best we can maybe the will come out and say somehing to get us off of their asses.

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    Do we have to take sides? is it ok to do what we have done several times already, but this time in honor of a citizen who was upstanding, and held dear the same values and respect for the 2nd A as we do? Nobody needs to 2nd guess (no pun) the facts, I think that it would be good to honor someone that passed in a tragic manner, nomatter the circumstances

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    With stuff like this in the news recently:

    http://www.lvrj.com/news/calls-blast...100747964.html
    Valley residents were bombarded this weekend with a series of automated "robocalls" blasting Clark County District Attorney David Roger and Sheriff Doug Gillespie for the investigation into the death of Erik Scott, who was shot by Las Vegas police in front of a Costco store last month.
    A spokeswoman for Scott's family said they have received angry calls and e-mails from people who received the calls and blamed the dead man's friends. Lisa Mayo-DeRiso said those people were upset that the robocalls reached them on their unlisted phones.

    She added that the calls might be damaging toward the family's campaign to find out what happened in the shooting.

    "I think anytime you make people mad or upset, it's not helpful for your cause," she said.
    I'd be a little weary do do any demonstrations unless organized by the Scott family themselves.
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    Well if we decide to plan and do something we should contact the family first anyways. I think this could turn out to be a good thing. The more it's brought to the publics attention the more of a chance that lvmpd might try a little harder to get something done such as releasing the tapes that they DO have. We all know damn well they have the tapes.

    As many people are thinking the coroners inquest has been postponed for political reasons. Our beloved sheriff is still in the race to be re-elected and if this shows that his officers are at fault it might/will hurt his chances to be re-elected.

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    I think the evidence shows that the shooting was "justified" as the Coroner's verdict indicates. But, that doesn't mean that the police should have shot Erik. It doesn't mean that it was good police work. All it means is that taken as an out of context snapshot of time, at the moment the officers fired their weapons it's reasonable to believe they perceived a deadly threat. It doesn't mean that the officers' perception of the threat was reasonable. Just that they had it.

    I'm convinced from the evidence that Erik stupidly took his holstered gun out of his waistband and tried to hand it to the cops. He was holding the holster with the gun in it and extending his hand forward toward the policeman. In his mind, he was "disarming" and surrendering his weapon. A fatally dumb move which was probably induced at least in part by drug impaired thinking. For whatever reason the police were unable to distinguish between a holstered gun and a gun in hand, perceived an immediate deadly threat, and started shooting. I don't believe Officer Mosher's testimony that he fired first because he thought Scott might be able to shoot while his gun was in the holster. That's really too far fetched. Mosher only offered that testimony because Scott's gun was found in its holster after the shooting. That doesn't look good for the police.

    So much for the "snapshot of time" that justified the shooting. Now let's consider what led up to that moment.

    No crime at all had been committed. Erik had not been asked to leave the store. Erik was in the process of purchasing the merchandise he had been looking at. He was in legal possession of his weapon. Erik was walking peaceably out of the store, hands empty, posing no apparent threat to anyone.

    The police had already arrived in force. They had their own eyeballs on the situation, and on Erik. The police were in total control of the situation, and were directing Erik's movements. There were four policemen within easy reaching distance of Erik as he walked past them while leaving the store. Yet, the best solution for what they thought was a problem (but which in actuality wasn't any problem at all) was to draw their weapons and start yelling conflicting commands at Erik. That is absolutely lousy police work. In fact, it isn't even police work at all. Any gang or vigilante group would have done the same. Pull out your guns and start screaming at your opponent.

    In my view, the police themselves created the situation in which they perceived the deadly threat. They couldn't have set Erik up more effectively if they had actually planned on killing him. It's beyond shoddy work, it's grossly negligent work. As a citizen in Las Vegas, I demand more from my police department than that.

    Bottom line: The police mishandled a situation so badly that they wound up having to justifiably kill an innocent man.
    Last edited by VegasGeorge; 09-29-2010 at 10:02 PM.

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    I am of the opinion it is to controversial to have an open carry march in Eric’s memory at this time.
    I did have a chance to watch some of the proceedings I agree with VGorge I believe Eric made a terrible mistake and was trying to disarm himself by pulling his gun and holster from his waist. The gun was still in the holster and on the ground after the shooting. I do not know of anyone that practices pulling their gun still in the holster then forcing their finger down into the holster to reach the trigger as suggested by the officer. I also believe the police botched this. Both sides making mistakes sadly equaled to what appeared to me as VegasGorge said having to justifiably kill an innocent man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasGeorge View Post
    I think the evidence shows that the shooting was "justified" as the Coroner's verdict indicates. But, that doesn't mean that the police should have shot Erik. It doesn't mean that it was good police work. All it means is that taken as an out of context snapshot of time, at the moment the officers fired their weapons it's reasonable to believe they perceived a deadly threat. It doesn't mean that the officers' perception of the threat was reasonable. Just that they had it.

    I'm convinced from the evidence that Erik stupidly took his holstered gun out of his waistband and tried to hand it to the cops. He was holding the holster with the gun in it and extending his hand forward toward the policeman. In his mind, he was "disarming" and surrendering his weapon. A fatally dumb move which was probably induced at least in part by drug impaired thinking. For whatever reason the police were unable to distinguish between a holstered gun and a gun in hand, perceived an immediate deadly threat, and started shooting. I don't believe Officer Mosher's testimony that he fired first because he thought Scott might be able to shoot while his gun was in the holster. That's really too far fetched. Mosher only offered that testimony because Scott's gun was found in its holster after the shooting. That doesn't look good for the police.

    So much for the "snapshot of time" that justified the shooting. Now let's consider what led up to that moment.

    No crime at all had been committed. Erik had not been asked to leave the store. Erik was in the process of purchasing the merchandise he had been looking at. He was in legal possession of his weapon. Erik was walking peaceably out of the store, hands empty, posing no apparent threat to anyone.

    The police had already arrived in force. They had their own eyeballs on the situation, and on Erik. The police were in total control of the situation, and were directing Erik's movements. There were four policemen within easy reaching distance of Erik as he walked past them while leaving the store. Yet, the best solution for what they thought was a problem (but which in actuality wasn't any problem at all) was to draw their weapons and start yelling conflicting commands at Erik. That is absolutely lousy police work. In fact, it isn't even police work at all. Any gang or vigilante group would have done the same. Pull out your guns and start screaming at your opponent.

    In my view, the police themselves created the situation in which they perceived the deadly threat. They couldn't have set Erik up more effectively if they had actually planned on killing him. It's beyond shoddy work, it's grossly negligent work. As a citizen in Las Vegas, I demand more from my police department than that.

    Bottom line: The police mishandled a situation so badly that they wound up having to justifiably kill an innocent man.
    This is well put, and exactly my view of the situation based on the evidence presented. The dynamic take-down was way out-of-line based on his behavior, and in fact escalated the incident to an unnecessarily dangerous level.

    They had all the cover and time they needed to calmly give Eric clear instructions, and there can be no doubt he would have complied. He was, in fact, attempting to comply with a nonsensical order to drop a gun that was not currently in his hand.

    They may have had to shoot, but only because of the inept, shoddy police work, poor training, the failure of the sergeant to control the scene before that moment arrived.
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