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    Chicago's New "Saturday Night Special" ban

    Chicago has produced a list of guns it will not register because they are not safe enough.

    It is really a Saturday Night Special Ban. Read the list. Citizens of Chicago can only arm themselves if they can afford expensive guns.

    Gun manufacturers that specialize in making small, inexpensive handguns are shut out of the Chicago market.

    This is also un-American because these firearms cannot be imported and is a 100% US manufacturer base.

    Link: http://www.ammoland.com/2010/07/15/c...#comment-18482

    Chicago Police Department Roster of “Unsafe Handguns”
    Thursday, July 15th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
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    Chicago, IL --(Ammoland.com)- The City of Chicago released its roster of “unsafe handguns” that cannot be legally possessed in the City because they cannot be registered with the police as one part of obtaining a license to possess a gun, as required under the City’s new gun laws.

    But the list is not limited to hand guns as the law is so vague it can be interpreted as to apply to all guns made by a manufacture.

    Of comical interest is banning of the deadly Daisy BB Gun Line, probably because of it pure destructive power.

    And don’t forget Acme. Knowing who we are dealing with here they are probably referring to Acme Corporation from Looney Tunes? The coyote better watch out for Mayor Daley and his thugs now.

    So besides a bunch of guns that have not been made in a 100 years what do you see on this list that is funny or raises your eyebrow? Leave us some comments below.

    ROSTER OF UNSAFE HUNDGUNS AS DESIGNATED BY THE SUPERINTENDENT

    The following handguns have been specifically disapproved by the Superintendent as unsafe handguns and therefore cannot be registered within the City of Chicago.

    Where a model or type is not specifically referenced, all models from the listed manufacturer are deemed unsafe.

    •Acme
    •Acme Arms
    •Aetna
    •Aetna Arms
    •Afflerbach, William H.
    •Ajax Army
    •Alaska
    •Alday & Gabilondo
    •Alert
    •Alexia
    •Alexis
    •All Right Firearms Company
    •Allen
    •Allen, W. C.
    •Alsop, Charles H.
    •America
    •American Arms Co.
    •American Boy
    •American Bulldog
    •American Derringer Corp. — all spur trigger models, derringers, and pen guns
    •American Eagle
    •American Standard Tool Co.
    •Americus
    •AMES Sword Company
    •Andrews Ferry & Co.
    •ARES/ARES Defense Systems — all flashlight gun models
    •Aristocrat
    •Avenger
    •Babcock
    •Bacon Arms
    •Bacon Mfg. Co.
    •Baford Arms — all derringers
    •Ballard, C. H.
    •Bang-Up
    •Beemiller, Inc.
    •Big Bonanza
    •Billings
    •Bismarck
    •Bliss, Frank D.
    •Bloodhound
    •Blue Jacket
    •Blue Whistler
    •Bodeo
    •Bonanza
    •Bond Arms — all models without trigger guards
    •Boss
    •Boy’s Choice
    •Brooklyn Arms
    •Brown Mfg. Co.
    •Bruff, Richard P.
    •Brutus
    •Bryco Arms
    •Buffalo Bill
    •Bull Dozer
    •Bulldog
    •Bulls Eye
    •C.S. Shatuck Arms Co.
    •Captain Jack
    •Catello Tribuzio — LAMPO model
    •Centennial
    •Challenge
    •Champion
    •Charles E. Billings — all knife guns or guns with knife attachments
    •Chase, Anson
    •Chicago Firearms Company — Chicago Protector and Protector models
    •Chichester
    •Chieftain
    •Christy, William J.
    •Clerke Products
    •Clipper
    •Cobra Ent.
    •Colt — all derringers
    •Cone, D. D.
    •Connecticut Arms & Mfg. Co.
    •Conqueror
    •Continental
    •Continental Arms Co.
    •Copeland, Frank
    •Covert Arms — all pen guns
    •Cowles & Smith
    •Cowles & Son
    •Creedmore
    •Crescent
    •Crescent Firearms Co. — all spur trigger models
    •Crispin, Silas
    •Crowell, George G.
    •Crown Jewel
    •CSG — all flashlight gun models
    •Cummings, O. S.
    •Czar
    •D. Debouxtay
    •Daily Arms Co.
    •Daisy
    •Daniel Werner — all knife guns or guns with knife attachments
    •Davis Ind.
    •Dead Shot
    •Defender
    •Defiance
    •Delhaxhe — Knuckleduster model
    •Deringer Rifle & Pistol Works
    •Dickinson, E. L. & J.
    •Dictator
    •Dreadnaught
    •Driscoll, J. B.
    •Eagle
    •Earlhood
    •Earthquake
    •Eclipse
    •Edward Boardman and Andrew Peavey — Little All Right models
    •Elector
    •Electric
    •Empire
    •Empress
    •Encore
    •Enterprise Gun Works
    •Ernst Schmidt & Co.
    •Esprin Brothers
    •Ethan Allen
    •Eureka
    •Evans, James E.
    •Evans, W. S.
    •Excelsior
    •Express
    •Favorite
    •Firearms Import Export (F.I.E.)
    •Fish, Daniel
    •Folsom Bros. & Co.
    •Forehand & Wadsworth — all spur and sheathed trigger models
    •Forehand Arms Co. — all spur and sheathed trigger models
    •Frank Copeland
    •Frank Wesson Arms
    •Freedom Arms — all sheathed trigger models
    •Frontier
    •Fryberg, Andrew
    •G.R.A.D. — all knife guns or guns with knife attachments
    •Garate Brothers
    •Garbi, Moretti, Y, CIA, (GMC)
    •Garrison
    •Gem
    •Genez, August G.
    •German Resel — all knife guns or guns with knife attachments
    •Governor
    •Great Western Gun Works
    •Gross Arms Co.
    •Guardian
    •Half-Breed
    •Hard Pan
    •Harrington & Richardson (H&R) — all spur, stud, and sheathed trigger models
    •Harrington and Richardson — all knife guns or guns with knife attachments
    •Hartford Arms Co.
    •Hartley and Graham — Squeezer and Protector models
    •Haskell Mfg., Inc.
    •Henrion, Dassy, & Heuschen, (HDH)
    •Hi-Point Firearms
    •HJS Arms, Inc.
    •Hood Firearms Co.
    •Hopkins & Allen — all sheathed trigger models
    •Horseman’s — all knife guns or guns with knife attachments
    •Hungarian — Mini Max – 9 model
    •Hyde & Shattuck
    •Iberia Firearms, Inc.
    •Imperial Arms
    •International
    •Irving, William
    •Iver Johnson — all sheathed trigger and ‘knuckle’ attachment models
    •J. Ductworth — Protector model
    •J. P. Sauer and Sons of Suhl — Bar Pistol model
    •J. Stevens — all sheathed trigger models
    •J.H. Johnson
    •James Reid Revolvers — Friend, My Friend, Model #2 Knuckle-Duster, New Model Knuckle-Duster, and New Model
    •My Friend models
    •James Rodgers — all knife guns or guns with knife attachments
    •James Turbiaux — Le Protector model
    •Jennings, Inc.
    •Jewel
    •Jimenez Arms, Inc.
    •John Vittie — all pen gun models
    •Johnson Bye & Co.
    •Jose Aldazabal & Sons
    •Joseph Rodgers & Sons — all knife guns or guns with knife attachments
    •Jules Bertrand
    •Keno
    •Kittemaug
    •L. Dolne Invur — Apache Knuckleduster model
    •L.E. Polhemus Manufacturing Company — all knife guns or guns with knife attachments and all pen gun models
    •Le Francais — Gaulois model
    •Leader
    •Lee Arms Co.
    •Liberty
    •Lion
    •Little All Right Firearms Co.
    •Little Giant
    •Little John
    •Little Joker
    •Lombard, H.C. & Co.
    •Lorcin Engineering Co., Inc.
    •Louis Chobert
    •Louis Dolne — APACHE model
    •Lowell Arms Co.
    •Maltby-Curtis — all spur trigger models
    •Maltby-Henly
    •Manufrance — Gaulois and Mitrailleuse models
    •Marlin
    •Marquis of Lorne
    •Merrimack Arms
    •Merveilleux — Repeating Pistol model
    •Merwin & Bray
    •Minneapolis Firearms Company — Protector model
    •Mohegan
    •Monarch
    •Monitor
    •Moore’s Patent Firearms Company — all derringers
    •Morai
    •Morgan & Clapp
    •Mountain Eagle
    •Napoleon
    •National
    •National Arms Co.
    •Nero
    •New York Pistol Co.
    •Nonpareil
    •North American Arms, (NAA) Mini-Series — all spur trigger models
    •Norwich Arms Co.
    •Norwich Falls Pistol Co.
    •Norwich Pistol Co.
    •Old Hickory
    •Osgood Gun Works
    •Paragon
    •Parole
    •Patriot
    •Peavey — all knife guns or guns with knife attachments
    •Penetrator
    •Phoenix Arms
    •Pickert — all folding trigger models
    •Pinafore
    •Pioneer
    •Pittson Arms Co.
    •Pointer
    •Praga — all folding trigger models
    •Prarie King
    •Premier
    •Prescott — all sheathed trigger models
    •Princess
    •Protector
    •Queen
    •R. J. Braveman Corporation — all pen gun models
    •Ranger
    •Raven Arms
    •Reck
    •Regnum — Repeating Pistol model
    •Reid — all sheathed trigger models
    •Remington — all sheathed trigger models
    •Retolaza — all revolvers
    •Retriever
    •Rigby — Knuckleduster and Stricker models
    •Rob Roy
    •Robin Hood
    •Rocky Mountain Arms Corp — all Mini-Revolver spur trigger models
    •Rodier, Louis C.
    •Rohm/RG Industries
    •Rollin White — all spur trigger models
    •Rome Revolver & Novelty Works
    •Rouchouse — French Squeezer model
    •Royal
    •Royal Small Arms Factory
    •Rupertus
    •Ryan Mfg. Co.
    •S.P. Cottrell and Son — all flashlight gun models
    •Sailors — all knife guns or guns with knife attachments
    •Scott Arms Co.
    •Scout
    •Senator
    •Shatuck — UNIQUE model
    •Sig Sauer — Mosquito only
    •Smith & Wesson — all spur trigger models
    •Smith, Otis
    •Smoker
    •Sneider, Charles E.
    •Southerner
    •Spy
    •Stafford, T. J.
    •Stallard Arms
    •Standard Arms
    •Standard Tool Co.
    •Stans Gunsmithing — all pen gun models
    •Stinger Manufacturer Corporation — all pen gun models
    •Sundance Industries
    •Swamp Angel
    •Taylor, L. B.
    •Terrier
    •Terror
    •Terry, J. C.
    •Thomas J. Ryan
    •Tiger
    •Tower’s Police Safety
    •Tramp’s Terror
    •True Blue
    •Turner & Ross
    •Two Unwin & Rodgers — all knife guns or guns with knife attachments
    •Tycoon
    •U.M.C. Arms Co.
    •U.S. Arms Co.
    •Uhlinger, W.L.& Co.
    •Uhlinger, William P.
    •Union
    •Union Jack
    •Union Revolver
    •Unique
    •United States Small Arms Company — all knife guns or guns with knife attachments
    •Unwin & Rodgers of Sheffield — all knife guns or guns with knife attachments
    •Veiled Prophets
    •Veteran
    •Veto
    •Victor
    •Victoria
    •Waffen-Glaser — all pen gun models
    •Walther — P22 only
    •Webber Pistol — Squeezer model
    •Wesson & Harrington
    •Wesson Frank — Large Frame Superposed pistol
    •Wesson, Frank
    •Western Arms Co.
    •White Jacket
    •White Star
    •Whitney Arms Co.
    •Wide Awake
    •Wilhelm Decker
    •William and John Rigby — Striking Weapon Pistol model
    •William Irving
    •William W. Marston — all knife guns or guns with knife attachments
    •Winfield Arms Co. — all spur trigger models
    •XL
    •Xpert
    •You Bet
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    Me thinks restraint of trade

    They have excluded all of the small manufacturers criticized by the VPC (More yucky work digging this up, but I found it.

    Link: http://www.vpc.org/studies/deadcont.htm
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    Hi-Points Unsafe - Really?

    They might be big, clunky and ugly, but they are pretty safe.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    Calling Alan Gura

    I was going to donate my Hi-Point as part of a rape prevention kit, but now I will keep it.

    I look forward to the day when I can open carry my Hi-Point C9 in Chicago and thumb my nose at the Daley the Civil Rights hater.
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    Welcome to the 21st Century version of "Jim Crow"...

    "O lawdy, pick a new Sig-Sauer,
    O lawdy, put a Colt in yo hand.
    O lawdy, pick a Smiff 'n Wesson,
    Daley won't approve unless it cost over a Grand..."
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
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    I would think that listing prohibited manufacturers and models, without naming an objective set of criteria that establishes what an "unsafe gun" is, constitutes and unconstitutional level of arbitrariness in denying these companies their right to participate in otherwise legal commerce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    I would think that listing prohibited manufacturers and models, without naming an objective set of criteria that establishes what an "unsafe gun" is, constitutes and unconstitutional level of arbitrariness in denying these companies their right to participate in otherwise legal commerce.
    And that's one of the reasons they're being sued, again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statkowski View Post
    And that's one of the reasons they're being sued, again.
    The manufacturers ought to have standing to sue, and they have deep, deep pockets with which to hire lawyers. Hopefully, they will get to refill them even more from the proceeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eye95 View Post
    The manufacturers ought to have standing to sue, and they have deep, deep pockets with which to hire lawyers. Hopefully, they will get to refill them even more from the proceeds.
    Most of the manufacturers on that list are VERY small shops, and are operating on shoestring budgets. I'd say tht of ALL those manufacturers, only HiPoint, Bond Arms, and NAA are the only ones with enough capital to even attempt a lawsuit.

    And besides, about a quarter of the companies on that list aren't even in business anymore. This is, of course, to keep poor people who purchased inexpensive firearms in the past from legally registering them.

    Racist. Classist. Jim Crow...

    The "big boys" like Colt or Sig or Ruger who CAN afford it aren't on the list, and so don't have "a dog in the fight", and either won't sue (because they don't have to) or CAN'T sue, because they don't have "standing", seeing as how they could claim no damages or infringements...

    Sort of like how the NRA does things...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    Most of the manufacturers on that list are VERY small shops, and are operating on shoestring budgets. I'd say tht of ALL those manufacturers, only HiPoint, Bond Arms, and NAA are the only ones with enough capital to even attempt a lawsuit.

    And besides, about a quarter of the companies on that list aren't even in business anymore. This is, of course, to keep poor people who purchased inexpensive firearms in the past from legally registering them.

    Racist. Classist. Jim Crow...

    The "big boys" like Colt or Sig or Ruger who CAN afford it aren't on the list, and so don't have "a dog in the fight", and either won't sue (because they don't have to) or CAN'T sue, because they don't have "standing", seeing as how they could claim no damages or infringements...

    Sort of like how the NRA does things...
    Smith and Wesson, Colt, AND Sig Sauer are on the list.

    This whole thing is ********. I can't believe what these guys in Chicago are trying to do.

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    I'm wondering what a "HUNDGUN" is. Chicago is prohibiting a whole bunch of those things, so I should know what a "hundgun" is, but I don't.

    http://calgunlaws.com/images/stories...ster-final.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by simmonsjoe View Post
    Smith and Wesson, Colt, AND Sig Sauer are on the list.

    This whole thing is ********. I can't believe what these guys in Chicago are trying to do.

    Oops... My bad. Missed that somehow... The list is SOOOO long, that I just didn't see those brand names and models...

    However, Colt hasn't produced a "derringer" in almost 100 years, and they are so collectible that they are hard to find for under $2000, so that puts them out of the range of most rational gun owners, and DEFINITELY makes them pretty much useless and impractical for use as SD firearms. Still, they shouldn't be on there. Of all the derringers made, Colts were some of the highest quality ones out there.

    The S&W "spur models" are on there because they are the cheapest guns Smith makes, and the most popular, and there are THOUSANDS of used ones out there that can be had for a few hundred bucks. Nothing whatsoever to do with "safety"...

    I have NO idea why the Sig Mosquito is on that list. It's a great little "plinker" (although not nearly as reliable as the Walther P22 or the Ruger .22 semiautos) and is VERY popular. The only reason I can imagine it's on that list is BECAUSE it's popular and relatively inexpensive. It's interesting that the big-bore Sigs (which cost 3 or 4 times what the Mosquito does) are not on that list.

    If these guns were REALLY unsafe, wouldn't the BATF have some sort of regulatory ability to keep them off the market? I think Customs would stop the Walthers and Sigs at the docks if they were really "unsafe". There are already some pretty strict laws about firearms manufacturing to cover "safety"...

    I'm not saying I agree with Chicago's list (I DON'T, and I think it's just a giant sham). I'm just predicting what they'll say as justification. These "safety" reasons are all totally unmitigated BS, and I think we ALL know what the REAL reason these high-quality/low price firearms are on the list--to keep guns out of the hands of the "wrong kinds of people"...

    I've said it before and I'll say it again:

    Welcome to Jim Crow, 21st Century-style.
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    Something I've been wondering about for a while...

    Since 2008, new recruits to the Chicago Police Department have been required to purchase thei rown firearms (Glock 9mm models) with THEIR OWN MONEY, taken from their "uniform allowance" fund.

    If there is a BAN on personally-owned handguns, how can they do that? Do they get a "pass" because they are cops? Are the guns actually property of the city, but the officers have to pay for them? Wouldn't that be a "straw purchase"?

    Just how does this work?...
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    Why does it not surprise me that Hi-Point firearms made the list? They're supposedly the fourth largest manufacturer of handguns in the country, so they must make a good product. Sure, their handguns are ugly and heavy, but they work. Unsafe? I'd sure like to see Chicago's criteria for determining safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    Most of the manufacturers on that list are VERY small shops, and are operating on shoestring budgets. I'd say tht of ALL those manufacturers, only HiPoint, Bond Arms, and NAA are the only ones with enough capital to even attempt a lawsuit.

    And besides, about a quarter of the companies on that list aren't even in business anymore. This is, of course, to keep poor people who purchased inexpensive firearms in the past from legally registering them.

    Racist. Classist. Jim Crow...

    The "big boys" like Colt or Sig or Ruger who CAN afford it aren't on the list, and so don't have "a dog in the fight", and either won't sue (because they don't have to) or CAN'T sue, because they don't have "standing", seeing as how they could claim no damages or infringements...

    Sort of like how the NRA does things...
    They might not have standing, but they could certainly help bankroll a suit if they wanted to. In the long run I think that would be in their best interests...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statkowski View Post
    Unsafe? I'd sure like to see Chicago's criteria for determining safety.

    I believe that in Chicago, that is determined by the color and income level of the person who can afford to purchase any particular gun...

    Meaning if you can only afford one of these guns, that is unsafe.

    But if you're a lying, corrupt, mob-connected rich white guy, then pretty much any gun YOU would want is OK...

    Get the picture?
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
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    I see that Cobray is NOT on the list. So my "Ladies home Companion" pistol is legal but not the HiPoint C9. My Cobray holds 12 rounds of 45/70 Gov't and is classified as a pistol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by M1Gunr View Post
    I see that Cobray is NOT on the list. So my "Ladies home Companion" pistol is legal but not the HiPoint C9. My Cobray holds 12 rounds of 45/70 Gov't and is classified as a pistol.
    Cool hand gun, but I swear, every time I look at it, I find myself looking for "ACME" stamped on it somewhere. LOL (I want one !!!)
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    Ban it now!

    Quote Originally Posted by M1Gunr View Post
    That looks unsafe to me. Add it to the list!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    I have NO idea why the Sig Mosquito is on that list. It's a great little "plinker" (although not nearly as reliable as the Walther P22 or the Ruger .22 semiautos) and is VERY popular. The only reason I can imagine it's on that list is BECAUSE it's popular and relatively inexpensive.
    More like they are the two easiest and cheapest pistols to throw a silencer on sold today? Most other guns require gunsmithing.

    .22LR silencers are relatively cheap and are 'drop-in' parts on the p22 and mosquito.

    I second everything else on your post too.
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    Yeah, I've been considering getting a suppressor for my Walther P22, but the idea of paying more for the suppressor ($150-200 +$200 tax stamp) than I paid for the firearm just seems a little silly...
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    That looks unsafe to me. Add it to the list!
    Looks like it has "a thing that goes up on the back".

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    Smile The list makes no sense to me.

    I have NO idea why the Sig Mosquito is on that list. It's a great little "plinker" (although not nearly as reliable as the Walther P22 or the Ruger .22 semiautos) and is VERY popular. The only reason I can imagine it's on that list is BECAUSE it's popular and relatively inexpensive. It's interesting that the big-bore Sigs (which cost 3 or 4 times what the Mosquito does) are not on that list.


    And the Walther P22 is also on the list. Maybe they think the Walther P22 and the Sig Mosquito are unsafe because 22 cal is to small for self defense.

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    I have an idea why some are on there:

    hi-points- too ghetto, I mean you can watch those shows like "First 48" and see them arresting people and finding hi-points under their beds. So based on this, hi-points are too likley to be possessed by poor black people like Otis McDonald, and we can't have that!

    walther p22- OMG! Cho had one of these! VA Tech! It is obviously a VERY evil gun model!

    sig mosquito- OMG! Those 2 school shooters in Finland had these! Another gun model that is obviously really really evil!

    I'm surprised the Glock 19 isn't also listed, since Cho used one!

    Daley's popo buddies forgot the S and W 617 10 shot revolver in .22 lr. This has got to be evil- a 10 shot revolver? And a .22! It might get used in a school shooting in Finland! Plus this gun is waaaay too accurate with a 6" barrel. I know, I own one. OMG I am soooo evil!

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    If daley wants to ban daisy products thats fine. But he better check out 15 USC 5001 subsection g because banning bb or pellet guns is a violation of the interstate commerce code.

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