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    Man shot by police over reaction....you be the judge

    I received this in an email about an incident of police shooting someone while responding to a MWG call.....

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    By LAWRENCE MOWER
    2010 LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL

    Erik Scott
    Army veteran who was shot by police Saturday worked for medical devices company

    The man shot by police outside a Summerlin Costco store on Saturday was a graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point with a master's degree from Duke University, friends said.

    Army veteran Erik Scott, 39, was at the store near Charleston Boulevard and the Las Vegas Beltway with his girlfriend before three officers fatally shot him in a confrontation.

    Friends and an attorney speaking on behalf of Scott's relatives, described him as a good man from a military family. His father was in the Air Force, and his grandfather fought in World War II, friend Mike Pusateri said.

    "The most loyal, honest, trustworthy, salt-of-the-earth guy you could meet," said Pusateri, 38. "You only meet one or two of those kinds of guys in your life, and Erik is one of them."

    Scott worked for Boston Scientific, a medical devices manufacturer, as a sales representative for the company's pacemakers. Attorney Ross Goodman, who represents Scott's family, said Scott was one of the company's top sales employees.

    Pusateri and Goodman said Scott and his girlfriend were at the Costco because they were moving in together and wanted to buy the things they needed. The two men declined to discuss the events that led to the shooting.

    According to Las Vegas police, officers were called to 801 S. Pavilion Center Drive at 12:47 p.m. by a store worker who said a man was destroying merchandise. Police were told the man had a gun.

    Capt. Patrick Neville described Scott as "kind of going berserk." Workers evacuated the store. Officers stopped Scott outside as the customers were leaving.

    Neville said an officer tapped the man on the shoulder and identified himself as police. Scott then spun around and reached for a gun, law enforcement officials said.

    "They ordered him to the ground," Neville said of the officers on Saturday. "He does not comply with that order. He reaches for the weapon, pulls the weapon out, at which time, the weapon was out of the waistband."

    Three officers fired multiple times, killing Scott.

    One witness interviewed Saturday and three others interviewed Sunday by the Review-Journal gave accounts that differed from what police described.

    With a few minor variations, the witnesses recounted matching sequences of events. The witnesses interviewed did not see what happened inside the store that prompted workers to call police. Three of the witnesses, upset by the event, asked that their names not be published.

    Once Scott was outside, none of the witnesses saw him brandish a weapon or make any movement that would seem like he was brandishing a weapon.

    The first witness already had made his purchases and was waiting in line for a worker to check his receipt when he saw an officer enter the store. The officer whispered something to the worker checking the receipts. The first witness then heard that employee turn to another employee and say, "He said we should let him through."

    The four witnesses described a calm rush of customers exiting the front of the store after Costco workers told everyone to leave.

    Attorney David Amesbury said he arrived in time to see shoppers leaving. He described the customer exodus as being "like the aftermath of Disneyland."

    A customer told Amesbury that he couldn't go in, so the attorney waited on a bench west of the entrance. He said he had a clear view of two officers standing beside the entrance with their guns drawn.

    All four witnesses said they were within 20 feet of the store's main entrance. They said Scott walked out of the entrance with the crowd.

    They described an officer shouting at Scott, then a quick succession of gunshots.

    The witnesses differed in their recollection of what one of the officers said.

    Amesbury heard, "I told you to stop. Stop."

    Two witnesses interviewed Sunday heard, "Drop it."

    A fourth witness, interviewed Saturday, heard, "Get down," "Put it down," or "Get out of the way."

    A second anonymous witness said Sunday he saw Scott pull up his shirt and turn toward the shouting officer. Then he saw the man get shot, drop to his knees and fall face-first in front of the entrance.

    "There wasn't even time for someone to react," the second witness said. "The guy didn't pull a gun. There was no gun in his hand, there was no gun on the ground."

    The second witness said he was interviewed by homicide detectives and gave them the same account.

    The first anonymous witness also didn't see Scott make a threat.

    "I certainly did not see the guy do anything with a gun that would threaten anybody," the first witness said Sunday. "It appeared to me that if he had guns on him, that they were literally in his pocket or in his waist."

    The first witness also was interviewed by homicide detectives about the shooting.

    Amesbury said he did not see the man get shot, but, "When I go around the corner, I see this guy laid out. I didn't see a gun." Amesbury's view of the shooting was blocked by stone pillars. He was not interviewed by police.

    Before the shooting, Scott was walking with a woman that three witnesses thought was his girlfriend. They said she became distraught after the shooting. The incident also left the witnesses shaken.

    It's just incredible "with all these people around that Metro would provoke something there," the second witness said. "I don't want to second-guess the police, but wouldn't it have been better to confront him out at his car?"

    After the shooting, some people in the crowd panicked. An elderly woman was knocked down and cut her elbow in the chaos, the second witness said.

    Only Scott was struck by gunfire .

    Police said Scott had two handguns on him when he was shot. Goodman said Scott had a concealed-weapons permit.

    Pusateri said his friend was a "safety freak" around guns. He said that "absolutely not in a million years" would Scott be careless with them around others.

    Scott graduated from West Point, in New York, in 1994 and was stationed for a time at Fort Hood, Texas, as a tank platoon leader. In 2003, he graduated from Duke University in North Carolina with a master's degree in business administration.

    Friends said they noticed nothing strange about Scott in the days before the shooting.

    On Friday, Scott's vehicle was struck by another vehicle while he was rushing a pacemaker to Summerlin Hospital Medical Center, Pusateri said. Scott was not injured in the collision, and a firefighter took the device from the crash scene to the hospital, he said.

    Friends were distraught and puzzled as to why police shot and killed Scott.

    "He's a stand-up guy in the community," Goodman said. "This guy is not somebody to put himself in a situation like that."

    Pusateri, who also sells medical devices, said Scott worked closely with patients in his job. He called Scott's job the "pinnacle" of the business.

    "It's very, very sad," Pusateri said. "I'm shocked by it. It's the tragic loss of a great man."
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    There's more to this story. All witnesses so far are saying he wasn't holding a weapon when shot and that officers were carrying tazers.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowDog View Post
    I received this in an email about an incident of police shooting someone while responding to a MWG call.....

    >>>
    By LAWRENCE MOWER
    2010 LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL

    Erik Scott
    Army veteran who was shot by police Saturday worked for medical devices company

    The man shot by police outside a Summerlin Costco store on Saturday was a graduate of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point with a master's degree from Duke University, friends said.

    Army veteran Erik Scott, 39, was at the store near Charleston Boulevard and the Las Vegas Beltway with his girlfriend before three officers fatally shot him in a confrontation.

    Friends and an attorney speaking on behalf of Scott's relatives, described him as a good man from a military family. His father was in the Air Force, and his grandfather fought in World War II, friend Mike Pusateri said.

    "The most loyal, honest, trustworthy, salt-of-the-earth guy you could meet," said Pusateri, 38. "You only meet one or two of those kinds of guys in your life, and Erik is one of them."

    Scott worked for Boston Scientific, a medical devices manufacturer, as a sales representative for the company's pacemakers. Attorney Ross Goodman, who represents Scott's family, said Scott was one of the company's top sales employees.

    Pusateri and Goodman said Scott and his girlfriend were at the Costco because they were moving in together and wanted to buy the things they needed. The two men declined to discuss the events that led to the shooting.

    According to Las Vegas police, officers were called to 801 S. Pavilion Center Drive at 12:47 p.m. by a store worker who said a man was destroying merchandise. Police were told the man had a gun.

    Capt. Patrick Neville described Scott as "kind of going berserk." Workers evacuated the store. Officers stopped Scott outside as the customers were leaving.

    Neville said an officer tapped the man on the shoulder and identified himself as police. Scott then spun around and reached for a gun, law enforcement officials said.

    "They ordered him to the ground," Neville said of the officers on Saturday. "He does not comply with that order. He reaches for the weapon, pulls the weapon out, at which time, the weapon was out of the waistband."

    Three officers fired multiple times, killing Scott.

    One witness interviewed Saturday and three others interviewed Sunday by the Review-Journal gave accounts that differed from what police described.

    With a few minor variations, the witnesses recounted matching sequences of events. The witnesses interviewed did not see what happened inside the store that prompted workers to call police. Three of the witnesses, upset by the event, asked that their names not be published.

    Once Scott was outside, none of the witnesses saw him brandish a weapon or make any movement that would seem like he was brandishing a weapon.

    The first witness already had made his purchases and was waiting in line for a worker to check his receipt when he saw an officer enter the store. The officer whispered something to the worker checking the receipts. The first witness then heard that employee turn to another employee and say, "He said we should let him through."

    The four witnesses described a calm rush of customers exiting the front of the store after Costco workers told everyone to leave.

    Attorney David Amesbury said he arrived in time to see shoppers leaving. He described the customer exodus as being "like the aftermath of Disneyland."

    A customer told Amesbury that he couldn't go in, so the attorney waited on a bench west of the entrance. He said he had a clear view of two officers standing beside the entrance with their guns drawn.

    All four witnesses said they were within 20 feet of the store's main entrance. They said Scott walked out of the entrance with the crowd.

    They described an officer shouting at Scott, then a quick succession of gunshots.

    The witnesses differed in their recollection of what one of the officers said.

    Amesbury heard, "I told you to stop. Stop."

    Two witnesses interviewed Sunday heard, "Drop it."

    A fourth witness, interviewed Saturday, heard, "Get down," "Put it down," or "Get out of the way."

    A second anonymous witness said Sunday he saw Scott pull up his shirt and turn toward the shouting officer. Then he saw the man get shot, drop to his knees and fall face-first in front of the entrance.

    "There wasn't even time for someone to react," the second witness said. "The guy didn't pull a gun. There was no gun in his hand, there was no gun on the ground."

    The second witness said he was interviewed by homicide detectives and gave them the same account.

    The first anonymous witness also didn't see Scott make a threat.

    "I certainly did not see the guy do anything with a gun that would threaten anybody," the first witness said Sunday. "It appeared to me that if he had guns on him, that they were literally in his pocket or in his waist."

    The first witness also was interviewed by homicide detectives about the shooting.

    Amesbury said he did not see the man get shot, but, "When I go around the corner, I see this guy laid out. I didn't see a gun." Amesbury's view of the shooting was blocked by stone pillars. He was not interviewed by police.

    Before the shooting, Scott was walking with a woman that three witnesses thought was his girlfriend. They said she became distraught after the shooting. The incident also left the witnesses shaken.

    It's just incredible "with all these people around that Metro would provoke something there," the second witness said. "I don't want to second-guess the police, but wouldn't it have been better to confront him out at his car?"

    After the shooting, some people in the crowd panicked. An elderly woman was knocked down and cut her elbow in the chaos, the second witness said.

    Only Scott was struck by gunfire .

    Police said Scott had two handguns on him when he was shot. Goodman said Scott had a concealed-weapons permit.

    Pusateri said his friend was a "safety freak" around guns. He said that "absolutely not in a million years" would Scott be careless with them around others.

    Scott graduated from West Point, in New York, in 1994 and was stationed for a time at Fort Hood, Texas, as a tank platoon leader. In 2003, he graduated from Duke University in North Carolina with a master's degree in business administration.

    Friends said they noticed nothing strange about Scott in the days before the shooting.

    On Friday, Scott's vehicle was struck by another vehicle while he was rushing a pacemaker to Summerlin Hospital Medical Center, Pusateri said. Scott was not injured in the collision, and a firefighter took the device from the crash scene to the hospital, he said.

    Friends were distraught and puzzled as to why police shot and killed Scott.

    "He's a stand-up guy in the community," Goodman said. "This guy is not somebody to put himself in a situation like that."

    Pusateri, who also sells medical devices, said Scott worked closely with patients in his job. He called Scott's job the "pinnacle" of the business.

    "It's very, very sad," Pusateri said. "I'm shocked by it. It's the tragic loss of a great man."
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    There's more to this story. All witnesses so far are saying he wasn't holding a weapon when shot and that officers were carrying tazers.....
    Wow, just wow. What a waste.
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    Topic already going strong in the Nevada thread about it.
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    Wow Venator actually quoted the whole entire original post. Now that's Wow. Just Wow. What a waste. Anyway to comment on the story- kind of makes me scared to open carry! What kind of bullets where used- no over penetration!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    Topic already going strong in the Nevada thread about it.
    Who cares about the Nevada forum? We got 2 identical threads about it in this forum.
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    Probably another police overreaction. benefit of the doubt defaults to the victim.

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    Las Vegas Police and Costco have some explaining to do. Especially, where are your video tapes of the incident?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virginiaplanter View Post
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    Las Vegas Police and Costco have some explaining to do. Especially, where are your video tapes of the incident?
    I'm betting they get accidentally lost, then destroyed. Hope I'm wrong. I hope the police were only defending themselves and others, but from the "slow roll" they have on getting the details out, at this point it's not looking good for them.

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