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    Oc survival thread. Be ready for natural & man made disasters

    www.ready.gov << put together a 72 hour kit for your family at a minimum.

    Prep water, food, first aid, communications, etc.
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    100 Items to Disappear First, following a disaster.
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    STOCKPILE THESE NOW.

    1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)

    2. Water Filters/Purifiers
    3. Portable Toilets
    4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.

    5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)

    6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
    7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.

    8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
    9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
    10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
    11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
    12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
    13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
    14. Mini Heater head (Propane) (Without this item, propane won't heat a room.)
    15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
    16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
    17. Survival Guide Book.
    18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
    19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
    20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
    21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
    22. Vitamins
    23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
    24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
    25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
    26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
    27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
    28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
    29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
    30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
    31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
    32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
    33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
    34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
    35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
    36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
    37. First aid kits
    38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
    39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
    40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
    41. Flour, yeast & salt
    42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
    43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
    44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
    45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
    46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
    47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
    48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
    49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
    50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
    51. Fishing supplies/tools
    52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
    53. Duct Tape
    54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
    55. Candles
    56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
    57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
    58. Garden tools & supplies
    59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
    60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
    61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
    62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
    63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
    64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
    65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
    66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
    67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
    68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
    69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
    70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
    71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
    72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
    73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
    74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
    75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
    76. Reading glasses
    77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
    78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
    79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
    80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
    81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
    82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
    83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
    84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
    85. Lumber (all types)
    86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
    87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
    88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
    89. Lantern Hangers
    90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
    91. Teas
    92. Coffee
    93. Cigarettes
    94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
    95. Paraffin wax
    96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
    97. Chewing gum/candies
    98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
    99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
    100. Goats/chickens

    From a Sarajevo War Survivor:
    Experiencing horrible things that can happen in a war - death of parents and
    friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.

    1. Stockpiling helps. but you never no how long trouble will last, so locate
    *** near renewable food sources.
    2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden.
    3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war
    ** quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
    4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to
    ** do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
    5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without
    *** heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of
    *** the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs
    *** enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in
    *** bulk.
    6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more
    *** valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival
    *** guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll
    *** have a lot of time on your hands.
    7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many
    *** people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of
    *** toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to
    *** lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
    8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches


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    Weapons Effects

    Most city planners estimate that the largest nuclear weapon to be used against populations would be one megaton in size. References in this discussion are, therefore, made to these yields. The nuclear weapons effects of interest are electro magnetic pulse (EMP), radiation, blast, and thermal. We are also including information concerning chemical / biological warfare.

    EMP Effect
    Most experts agree that a full scale nuclear attack would be initiated by a high altitude (approximately 200 miles high) nuclear explosion, and that it would most probably be deployed from a satellite. A nuclear bomb detonated at that altitude will not damage living tissue, will not cause significant radiation fallout and is not a health threat to the population. The purpose of this explosion is to damage critical electrical circuitry in our retaliatory defense weapons and our military communications capabilities. This is accomplished by means of the electro magnetic pulse (EMP) associated with the explosion. One such explosion could affect an area of a thousand miles in diameter.

    Terrorist nations can deploy EMP weapons from surface to air missiles detonated from a ship in our costal waters. Iran's, Shahab-3 ballistic missile, if armed with a nuclear weapon, would have this capability. North Korea, an ally of Iran, boasts that they already have nuclear weapons with ballistic missiles capable of reaching these heights.

    Collectors, such as long runs of cable, house wiring, conduit, large antennas, overhead power and telephone lines, railroad tracks, etc., gather this energy in the form of a strong current and voltage surge. All solid state electronics is vulnerable to this energy surge. The equipment does not have to be attached directly to the collector in order to be damaged. It's possible for a collector to gather in the order of a joule of energy from a one megaton, high altitude explosion. The fact that a small fraction of a joule can cause permanent damage to electronic devices, shows that the EMP threat is a serious one. The damage to equipment could include automobile ignition systems, telephone and radio communications, airline communications, navigational aids, & computers. The power grid throughout the United States would most probably fail. It is estimated that about 95% of our radio stations would immediately loose transmission in an EMP attack.

    If a power drop is detected, care should be taken to test telephones, radio stations, and other equipment for loss of function. Many radio stations have alternate power sources, but only about 5% of our radio stations have been hardened against the EMP. If, after checking a battery powered radio, you find that most of the radio stations are not functioning, you should take shelter immediately.

    Immediately after the initial EMP explosion, SLBM's and ICBM's would probably be launched against targets in the United States. An ICBM from Russia would reach the center of the continental United States in about 25 minutes. A missile from a submarine could reach us in 8 minutes. However, we are not currently seeing Russian nuclear missile submarines in our coastal waters. The 25 minutes which the power failure alarm will give you could mean the difference between life and death.

    If you are asleep, a simple power-drop alarm would awaken you when the power fails. This alarm should be constructed by a certified electrician. Our electrician used a motorcycle horn, a 12 volt battery, a relay switch, and a flasher. The negative line from the battery was connected to the 12 V DC horn. When the 110 V AC currant fails, the relay closes the circuit, which activates the horn. He added a switch to the positive line from the battery to the horn so the horn can be turned off after activation.

    Radiation
    If the fireball of the weapon touches the ground, the blast is defined as a `ground burst'. In a ground burst, rock, soil, and other material in the area is vaporized and taken into the cloud. This debris is then uniformly fused with fission products and radioactive residues and becomes radioactive itself. It then falls to the ground as `radioactive fallout'. If the fire ball from the explosion does not reach the ground, the blast is said to be an `air burst'. Radiation (except for initial radiation) does not become a factor in an air burst.

    Gamma rays from the fallout can easily be attenuated by incorporating a 90 degree turn in the small diameter entrance. Entrances should not exceed 48 inches in diameter and the total length of the vertical and horizontal run should be no less than 25 feet. Approximately 90% of the gamma radiation is directed into the ground from the vertical portion of the entrance. The other 10% is almost entirely attenuated by the horizontal portion of the entrance. We recommend that the horizontal portion of the entrance be about 10 feet long and that it penetrate the shelter body on the side or on the end plate.

    The threat of exposure to initial nuclear radiation is confined to a radius of about one and one half miles from ground zero and would prove fatal to any unsheltered individuals. However, in hardened blast and radiation shelters, such as those that are being built by Utah Shelter Systems, people could survive all nuclear weapons effects, including initial radiation, within three quarter mile of ground zero. Shelters which may be within the initial radiation zone, must have at least 8 ft. of dirt cover and the entrances must be configured with the proper shielding and geometry.

    Gamma radiation is a great health problem for a two week period. Everyone should stay sheltered in a good fallout shelter for two full weeks. If blast is not a consideration, 4 feet of earth cover is sufficient to shield from gamma radiation. However, the entrances must still each have the 25 feet with both horizontal and vertical runs.

    Alpha and Beta radiation can be stopped by a few layers of paper. However , internal to the body, they are a great health hazard. We must be careful to wash the lids of dust before opening canned food, and wash and peel all exposed fruits and vegetables. Water purification, food preparation, and post war survival will be discussed in another section of this web site.

    Blast Effect
    In the detonation of a one megaton size weapon (which is roughly equivalent to 1 million tons of TNT), the fireball grows to 440 feet in just a fraction of a second. In 10 seconds, the fireball is over a mile wide. At the same time the fireball is forming and growing, a high-pressure wave develops and moves outward in all directions. This wave of air causes a huge increase in air pressure. At one quarter mile from the crater edge, the overpressures are about 200 psi. It is not expected that nuclear weapons with a greater yield than one megaton would be used against the civilian population. We are, therefore, limiting our discussion of blast effects to that yield.

    At approximately 4 miles from the epicenter, the winds are 165 mph and the overpressure is approx. 5 psi. Most homes would be destroyed, but it is possible to survive the blast in a basement shelter at that distance. The radiation shielding from the home, however, may have been destroyed in the blast. At 6 and 7 miles from the epicenter, there would be moderate damage to residences and the likelihood of surviving in a basement is greater.

    People housed in hardened blast and radiation shelters, such as are built by Utah Shelter Systems, would be expected to survive all NBC weapons effects at ground zero from an air burst (50 psi), and at one quarter mile from the crater edge from a one megaton yield ground burst. At that proximity, an 8 ft. diameter shelter must have at least 8 feet of dirt cover. A 10 foot diameter shelter must have at least 10 feet of dirt cover over head. Each person must have approximately 10 square feet of shelter space for short term survival (up to 2 weeks). Double this space requirement if the shelter is to be used as a permanent residence.

    Thermal Effect
    Within less than a millionth of a second of the detonation, large amounts of energy in the form of invisible x-rays are absorbed within just a few feet of the atmosphere. This leads to the formation of an extremely hot and luminous mass called the fireball. If we were standing 50 miles away, this fireball would appear to us to be many more times as brilliant as the noon day sun.

    You should never look directly at the fireball of a nuclear explosion. Because of the focusing action of the lens of the eye, especially at night when our pupils are open, thermal radiation can cause temporary and even permanent blindness.

    The thermal pulse travels at the speed of light and can last for a fraction of a second, up to several seconds. It also generally travels in straight lines, as does light. If there is no warning, you should drop and cover immediately. If you do have warning, you should take cover behind a large structure, or go to a basement or culvert. If unprotected you would receive third degree burns at 6 to 8 miles from the blast; second degree burns at a distance of 8 to 10 miles; and first degree burns at 10 to 12 miles from the blast. Burns would greatly complicate an otherwise survivable situation.

    CONVINCING MY FRIENDS & FAMILY:

    Seldom do all members of a family have the same levels of concern, and it is sometimes frustrating to justify these protective measures to those we care about the most.

    We have been asked, numerous times, to expound on the following statements that have been genuinely made by others:

    1. I would not want to be the only one to survive.
    2. I may not be at home when I need the shelter.
    3. There are no more “real” threats to our country.
    4. The government will take care of us.

    The following is our response to these concerns:

    1. I would not want to be the only one to survive:

    Our Answer:

    According to the worst-case scenario forecasts prepared by the Department of Defense in 2002, the short-term casualties that would be derived from a full onslaught nuclear attack (Russia and / or China) would approximate 30% - 35% of our population with and additional 30% - 35% of our population dying over the following 6-8 weeks from starvation, dehydration, disease, inclement weather, contamination, attack, etc. In this forecasted worst case, 30% of our citizens would survive to start over and rebuild our country. At 290,000,000 people and growing, this means that almost 100,000,000 Americans would survive. Yes, we would be starting over and it would be hard at times. We would be living in a 3rd world country for a period of time. But, unlike our pioneer ancestors, we still have the knowledge and information from before, to build upon.

    2. I may not be at home when I need my shelter.

    Our answer:

    Government war strategists are in agreement that a full-scale nuclear attack would most probably occur during the night or early morning or during a national holiday. ‘Night time’ in America is ‘Day time’ in the countries of our most likely enemies. Our enemies would want to strike while we were asleep.

    Most people do not work or live in the vicinity of prime targets, providing time for them to return to their shelters in the event of a full-scale nuclear or terrorist attack.

    People who have prepared shelters are aware of their surroundings and in tune to escalating crises and the warning signs They have also pre-planned expedient sheltering capabilities and evacuation routes.

    Find more information in About NBC Effects.

    3. There are no “real” threats from which we need to be protected. Russia and China are our friends. The cold war is over. The government has the terrorists under control.

    Our answer:

    We have been preparing and building shelters for over 21 years, but we are continually amazed at the number of people who don’t recognize or believe that any “real” threats exist. Upon further questioning we most often find that the vast majority of these people do not read a daily newspaper nor watch a daily news broadcast. They are consumed with sporting events and spend their money on useless toys.

    Many people refuse to consider the possibility of an attack, because they believe nuclear war is not survivable. If there is nothing one can do, one tends to do nothing. They receive all their information from the media, which consistently tells them this is true. If we can educate these people to the real and fundamental effects of nuclear weapons, they may see that nuclear war is, in fact, very survivable and prepare accordingly.

    Find more information in About NBC Effects.

    4. The government will take care of us.

    Our Answer:

    There is a wide spread misconception that public shelters exist throughout the country. Some countries, such as Switzerland, Finland, Sweden, North Korea, China and Russia have provided shelters for a good portion of their population. It has been estimated by American strategists that about 30% of the population of the world have radiation and blast shelters. Russia has constructed multiple underground industrial communities. Switzerland, has provided 100% of their population with hardened NBC shelters.

    Our own government has provided hardened underground facilities for high ranking government officials and their families as well as for our critical mission personnel.

    My family members are my ‘critical mission personnel’. Where are the shelters for my family? The answer to this question is that we, as citizens, have not been willing to demand this level of protection for ourselves, nor have we been willing to be taxed to this level of protection. Legislation providing shelters will not occur until we demand it. Current localized disasters have proven that our government is there to assist us, but not to save us in widespread emergencies. More and more Americans are awakening to the reality that the world has become a dangerous place, and as a result, they are purchasing shelters for themselves and their loved ones.

    Find more information in Swiss Civil Defense Story.

    The government’s answer to providing for the common defense of the country is in the policy of deterrence. Deterrence is not defense. The concept of deterrence by ‘Mutual Assured Destruction’ is a misnomer. This form of deterrence exists only if neither side can defend themselves against weapons of mass destruction and both sides have equal numbers of offensive type weapons. Russia has both passive defense in the form of shelters, and active defense in the form of anti-ballistic missiles. America has neither. Further frustrating this policy is the fact that Russia continues to modernize every aspect of their strategic nuclear arsenal while we are dismantling our own. Our government has identified 28 terrorist organizations that have no country of claim. Deterrence against these terrorist organizations does not exist because there is no country to target or threaten with a retaliatory strike. Our government has identified seven terrorist nations. Deterrence against 3rd world terrorist nations does not exist either, because the government leaders of those nations do not value the lives of their own citizens.

    Mutual assured destruction (MAD) was never formerly accepted as government policy, but for the past 40 years, the concept has driven most all of our national defense decisions. Most everyone now agrees, however, that deterrence is no longer a viable concept. The greatest defense against modern day threats, in our opinion, is a strong national NBC shelter program and a nationwide anti-ballistic missile shield.

    Assessing Your Risk

    Most people consider the risk of a nuclear attack to be very small. No such attack has ever occurred in our country, therefore, they consider the probability of such an event to be near zero. Keep in mind, however, that a true risk assessment must consider both probability and consequence.

    Most of our national security strategists agree that the possibility of a nuclear attack from terrorist countries and organizations grows daily. The technology is well known and the nuclear fuel for such weapons is available on the ‘black market’. China and North Korea have made veiled nuclear threats against our borders; terrorist organizations claim to have ‘suitcase bombs’; and Russia and China continue to modernize every aspect of their strategic nuclear arsenal. Edward Teller, the father of the Hydrogen Bomb, recently said, “Every day we go without a nuclear terrorist attack is a gift”. The probability of a nuclear event is greater than most people think.

    The consequences of a nuclear attack, in loss of human life and collateral damage, would be huge. The relatively few lives lost in the U.S. from hurricanes, flood, or the recent 9/11 terrorist attack would pail to the tens of millions of lives lost from a potential nuclear attack. When multiplying both the growing probability factor, with the huge consequence factor, we see a resulting risk that is very large. We believe this assessment easily justifies the expense and effort of installing hardened NBC shelters.

    There are certain classes of facilities that attract nuclear warheads in the first rounds of an attack. Obviously, any facility connected with America’s nuclear forces will be brought under attack in the first salvo including ICBM fields and launch control facilities, command and control centers such as NORAD in Colorado Springs, and the Air Force command center in Omaha. Air Force bases hosting long-range bombers, refueling/tanker aircraft, and continental air defense fighter aircraft are obvious first tier targets. Here’s where it gets a little more interesting. ANY AIRPORT WITH A RUNWAY CAPABLE OF HANDLING COMMERCIAL JET AIRCRAFT (737,757,767,777 ) would be a recipient of at least one nuclear warhead, most likely fused to burst at or near the ground so as to crater the runway, or at least heave gobs of contaminated material onto and around the runway. Strategists plan this to deny recovery of any surviving bomber or tankers. Any city of more than 200,000 population will most likely have runways of this length, nearby. The resulting fallout will kill many thousands of citizens and military personnel. Blast and fire will be a factor for a radius of 6 to 12 miles depending on weapon yield, weather, height of burst, etc. Be aware that weapons and delivery systems malfunction and can miss the intended target (but inevitably hit someone else). Also remember that a “rain-out” can occur increasing the gamma dose-rate by a factor of ten or more, (possibly 10,000 rads per hour) effectively killing everyone in the local area not shielded with an earth cover more than 5 feet thick.

    A correctly designed and installed shelter will effectively protect the health of its occupants in this environment, and will do so within one-half mile of the center of the detonation. In addition, the sheltered will be relatively comfortable, not just alive.
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    Don't forget a good compass and maps in case you have to bug out. GPS may or may not work.

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    The Federal government has Guns on their list of preparedness items????
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    Quote Originally Posted by VAopencarry View Post
    The Federal government has Guns on their list of preparedness items????
    I think the OP is misleading. The provided link is not the actual source for the information provided.

    ready.gov just recommends a whistle to signal for help.(1)

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    As an avid backpacker and the organizer of a local outdoor adventure group, that list is WAY too long.

    Here's mine:

    1. Backpack
    2. Water bottles/bladders
    3. Bivvy sack
    4. Sleeping pad
    5. Sleeping bag
    6. Knife
    7. Knife sharpener
    8. 9mm, w/ holster, and spare magazine
    9. water purification tablets
    10. full set of lightweight clothing from -12 deg F on up
    11. signal mirror
    12. Whistle
    13. flint
    14. toothbrush
    15. toilet paper
    16. all the freeze-dried food I can carry
    17. 100' of 550 cord
    18. boots
    19. sno-kote (waterproofing grease/wax)
    20. lightweight hand axe (doubles as hammer) or saw
    21. microweight alcohol stove (works with gasoline in a pinch)
    22. bottle of ethanol
    23. lighter (easier than fiddling with a flint and steel)
    24. lightweight camp towel
    25. sunglasses
    26. sun hat

    The rest is largely superfluous, and with the above I can procure water, food, and shelter all the way up to building a log cabin, if I so desire. If I'm lacking tools, with the above I can make tools.

    Total pack weight: 50 lbs. If I find that's too heavy, I'll make a travois.
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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    As an avid backpacker and the organizer of a local outdoor adventure group, that list is WAY too long.

    Here's mine:

    1. Backpack
    2. Water bottles/bladders
    3. Bivvy sack
    4. Sleeping pad
    5. Sleeping bag
    6. Knife
    7. Knife sharpener
    8. 9mm, w/ holster, and spare magazine
    9. water purification tablets
    10. full set of lightweight clothing from -12 deg F on up
    11. signal mirror
    12. Whistle
    13. flint
    14. toothbrush
    15. toilet paper
    16. all the freeze-dried food I can carry
    17. 100' of 550 cord
    18. boots
    19. sno-kote (waterproofing grease/wax)
    20. lightweight hand axe (doubles as hammer) or saw
    21. microweight alcohol stove (works with gasoline in a pinch)
    22. bottle of ethanol
    23. lighter (easier than fiddling with a flint and steel)
    24. lightweight camp towel
    25. sunglasses
    26. sun hat

    The rest is largely superfluous, and with the above I can procure water, food, and shelter all the way up to building a log cabin, if I so desire. If I'm lacking tools, with the above I can make tools.

    Total pack weight: 50 lbs. If I find that's too heavy, I'll make a travois.
    For a BOB ( bug out bag ), that's a good start.
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    guys, you knew i would magnet to, and be in on this thread. got my bits together, next month going creeping for ammo. i hear time is short now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    guys, you knew i would magnet to, and be in on this thread. got my bits together, next month going creeping for ammo. i hear time is short now.
    The gun store is holding a "good quantity" for me....lol - I pick it up in a few weeks. yaHooooo
    agreed, 99% of the populace has no clue how short on time they are.
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    hey glock, i watched some tv show the other night; life after oil, alot of bla-bla, and i noticed during the turmoil- no one was shown armed- how politically correct, but they did raise a very important point, if gasoline production ceases, the gas around, or horded will go bad in one year, so anything gas powered will be useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    hey glock, i watched some tv show the other night; life after oil, alot of bla-bla, and i noticed during the turmoil- no one was shown armed- how politically correct, but they did raise a very important point, if gasoline production ceases, the gas around, or horded will go bad in one year, so anything gas powered will be useless.
    unless you have, stabil...lol
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    glock how long you rekkon the dinosaur juice will go with stabil in it? what did you decide on for communications? I went with CB for local, and shortwave for listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by since9 View Post
    As an avid backpacker and the organizer of a local outdoor adventure group, that list is WAY too long.

    Here's mine:
    I will second this list with a couple of minor revisions.

    I didn't see a shovel listed, so I would add that in or replace the axe/saw with a shovel/axe/saw multi-tool
    Rain pants and jacket (I live in the PNW, rain capitol USA)
    Poncho
    Emergency blanket (or 2, the ones that fold up into 2x3 squares are small and light)
    I would ditch the alcohol stove and fuel personally. In a survival situation the fuel may run out without any way to replenish so you're now stuck with dead weight or you would have to leave it behind (evidence).
    Water filter along with the already listed tablets
    Lightweight mess kit and utensils
    All the ammo you can carry

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    car batteries, love dem car batteries, power anything 12 vdc for a looooong time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by McX View Post
    car batteries, love dem car batteries, power anything 12 vdc for a looooong time!
    The original list, was not intended to be stuffed into a back pack...but instead to be stored away in your garage or basement.

    I have a few shortwave / multi band radio's for listening , I also have a new CB still in the box, in a 50 cal ammo can in the basement, along with antenna. car batteries are very usefull after a SHTF. I also have a 800 mhz police scanner in the van.
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    glock, i hate you, you have everything. but one thing you ain't got is a Mechanix LTD. baseball cap. thus my mission of honor i still have not forgotten; one cap to you for daily use, one for the special occassion of: the zombies. that is what someday, will make it your way. PS: don't hog all the zombies!

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    heck dude, you have me beat...you have a bug out location up north on a lake....I don't. But, I do have something you don't have...a Multicam Ball cap. lol
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    glock, the bug out location wouldn't work, as i would have to use the interstate, which would be clogged with who knows what, and i have more here that would need protecting, and have my primary resources here too, so it would be a no go in time of crisis. video hat? you'll have to send me the videos of the zombie removals after it's all over!

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    ahhhhh, obvious miss?

    For long term survival having a farm would be good, yea?

    Or at least have some pack animals, like donkeys? Maybe a horse or two? That way you could stay mobile with a shitload of supplies.
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    Good lists!

    I'm going to slowly start getting some of the supplies listed, I am broke and in college so I got my car and my guns and thats it for now.

    Top things I will get within the next 6 months for the fulltime college student/ part-time worker:
    -vitamins
    - aspirin
    - 100' of rope
    - duct tape
    - water purification tablets
    - hammer
    - nails
    - pot/pan
    - matches, flint and steel
    - tent (for until I build shelter)
    - vegtable seeds
    - knives
    - axe
    - FISHING POLES
    - lures
    - 10,000 yards of fishing line
    - 20,000 hooks
    - air mattress
    - blankets, pillows
    - TAR PAPER
    - shovel
    - hand drill
    - bolts
    - flashlight- batteries
    - solar powered lights
    - saw

    Only the items I can think of at the moment that I could afford and really would need, this will be my survival kit, (I can grab anything else I need from the house/apartment clothes, short supply of food etc.) move up to some state owned land in the north, build a shack near a river, catch alott of sheepshead lol.
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    well glock, i'll be 'breakin' for you on channel 35 when i got zombies lying at my feet. heh-heh.

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    What about a bicycle? Since this list is for bug-in or BOL supplies, I think a bike would be very useful because you have to feed horses and put gas in vehicles, but the only fuel you need for a bicycle is the same stuff you need to live anyway. Yes, it burns more calories than riding an animal or motor vehicle, and you can make biodiesel or convert trucks to run on wood gassifiers, but I think a bicycle is a good long-term method of transportation if you don't have to carry much beyond a pack and saddlebags.

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    being from arizona I see your confusion.

    Many places in the US are grassy enough that feeding your pack animals is not difficult. You just let them graze.

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    got a few bikes hanging here and there. i'll stay put, fresh water is less than 1000 ft. away, food might be a problem, but i do have neighbors heh-heh. moving makes one a target. i'd rather stand and defend.

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    don't know if anyone knows...

    They may be way to expensive to purchase, if they even make them for personal use, but concerning water storage for a good length of time, anything that is silver lined will purify water and keep it that way for extended periods. I guess the tablets would be the most economical way to go though.

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