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stainless1911

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So it would appear that despite what is written in 28.425o, we should stick to empty holsters? But if we do that, how do we challenge the law, seeing that you cant be charged for an empty holster, and without being charged, you cant defend your position in court? Feels like chasing your tail.
 
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stainless1911 said:
What would it take to have them added to the list of local units of gov, that appear in 123?
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A change in the statute to include them under preemption. This has been drafted by a legislator and hopefully he can get it enacted after November. So some legislators are aware of the problem. Write your rep and ask them to propose a bill to change it.
 
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stainless1911 said:
So it would appear that despite what is written in 28.425o, we should stick to empty holsters? But if we do that, how do we challenge the law, seeing that you cant be charged for an empty holster, and without being charged, you cant defend your position in court? Feels like chasing your tail.
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"without being charged, you cant defend your position in court?"

Well, this is true most of the time, but not in all cases. It doesn't appear to matter, though, because it would probably be decided in the University's/College's favor.
I was looking through some cases in the Appeals and Supreme Court of Michigan having anything to do with colleges or universities. I kept seeing decisions going in favor of the schools and, when I looked at the reasoning, it appears that Michigan Courts are very loathe to make Colleges/Universities subject to judicial review..
 
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DrTodd said:
snip... A weapon is any object designed to cause physical injury or any other object capable of causing physical injury or death. A dangerous weapon is any weapon designed to be dangerous and capable of causing death or serious bodily harm, or any other object capable of causing death or serious bodily harm that is used as a weapon. ...
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Someone might pick up a stereo speaker and throw it. Maybe a t.v. remote. Wet towels can leave a nasty welt. I hate vaguely written law.
 
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There are some colleges that, under MI Constitution, have the power to create and enforce ordinances. They are also exempt from pre-emption. U of M is one of those college (I do not know if OU is one). U of M can arrest you and put you in jail for possessing a firearm on their property. I do not carry (CC or OC) anywhere near colleges for this reason, the risk is simply too large.
 
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so, I shouldnt even OC/CC while driving a car onto their property to pick up a friend?
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That depends where you go. Some colleges that have their own constitution with the power to make any ordinance, which could put you in violation of the law. Looking at U of M's firearm ordinance, it states possession of a firearm anywhere on their property including streets is a misdemeanor. The only exception is for campus police and regular police officers. They don’t even recognize a CPL.

For example you could be driving down the road, blow a tire, and pull into their parking lot to change the tire. Even if you are not a student, you would be subject to arrest if they found out you were carrying a firearm.
 
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budlight said:
That depends where you go. Some colleges that have their own constitution with the power to make any ordinance, which could put you in violation of the law. Looking at U of M's firearm ordinance, it states possession of a firearm anywhere on their property including streets is a misdemeanor. The only exception is for campus police and regular police officers. They don’t even recognize a CPL.

For example you could be driving down the road, blow a tire, and pull into their parking lot to change the tire. Even if you are not a student, you would be subject to arrest if they found out you were carrying a firearm.
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You could always claim you are "self-employed :)

UofM Ordinances

[FONT=Arial,Bold]Section 4. Exceptions[/FONT]
(1) Except to the extent regulated under Subparagraph (2), the prohibitions in
this Article X do not apply:​

(b) to non-University law enforcement officers of legally established law
enforcement agencies or to other non-University employees who, in
either situation, are authorized by their employer to possess or use
such a device during the time the employee is engaged In work​
requiring such a device;
 
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stainless1911 said:
IIRC, and I forgot where to find the cite, the wording was for "dormitories and classrooms" I don't recall anything referring to the building.

Since we are on colleges, my mom works at Oakland University, and I'm getting my CPL back on Monday, which leads to a question. I know I can legally OC there, but does anyone know if OU has a policy against firearms possession, and weather the OU police there have the authority to criminalize our civil right and charge me with something?
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This discussion has been great with lots of useful info being shown. But...

Stainless, unless you want your mom to be added to the unemployment rolls, I wouldn't use her work place as the place to make a point about OC or CC's legality. Being an "at will employment" state, her bosses could simply tell her that her services are no longer required. My wifes office building is one place I do not OC because I do not want to cause issues for her at her work place. Just some advice you can choose to take, or ignore.
 
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scot623 said:
This discussion has been great with lots of useful info being shown. But...

Stainless, unless you want your mom to be added to the unemployment rolls, I wouldn't use her work place as the place to make a point about OC or CC's legality. Being an "at will employment" state, her bosses could simply tell her that her services are no longer required. My wifes office building is one place I do not OC because I do not want to cause issues for her at her work place. Just some advice you can choose to take, or ignore.
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I agree, and thanks.
 
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