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    Awesome Police Encounter!

    So, I was at the walmart in Denham wasting time waiting on my wife to finish with a Mary Kay thing at Ryan's. I had spent a good bit of time there, and then decided to go ahead and make my purchases and head out to the parking lot to try to fix a problem i was having with my car window. I ended up not actually fixing it which sucked. But anyways, I went ahead and got in my car to head back over to the Ryan's parking lot cuz i figured her meeting thing was near conclusion. I had just noticed a state police car pass by down the aisle as i was getting in. I made sure he was clear enough so I could go ahead and back out. "Suddenly" he turns around just at the end of the aisle to follow behind me. He followed back up the next aisle and honked an air horn but didn't flash any lights, so i wasn't even sure if it was from him or even at me. So, I kept going and parking in front of the restaurant where pulls in behind me and stops. I get out of the car to see what the deal is and he immediately asks if I'm armed. I say yes, then he asked that put it inside the car for a sec. I asked why, and he said he just wanted to talk. So I disarmed and walked towards him. ended up being a real friendly dude. Apparently some lady in the store had seen me was alarmed so she called the police and said there was a man concealing a gun. He said that I obviously was not concealing anything, so it was no big deal. He was real polite and awesome. Said there was nothing else, and wished me a good evening. He also asked if I was on Bayou Shooter too. I wish I could remember his name. But anyways, just wanted to report on the good LEO experience.

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    It was a LSP Trooper or DSPD?

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    That was a buddy of mine, he's a good man and good LEO and he's with Denham Springs Police Dept not LSP.

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    Thanks for the kind words, charlie12 & it was nice to meet you, whoopingllama.

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    Oh no I got busted.

    I just tell them like I see them.
    Last edited by charlie12; 07-21-2010 at 06:44 AM.

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    Welcome dpsd204. And thanks for being a positive LEO contact. Wish there were more like you out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whoopingllama View Post
    then he asked that put it inside the car for a sec. I asked why, and he said he just wanted to talk.
    Is that required in LA or just a courtesy? In WI, a LEO can ask all he wants I just ignore him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    Is that required in LA or just a courtesy? In WI, a LEO can ask all he wants I just ignore him.
    It's just a courtesy here in LA. If you are Concealing the law requires you to notify and allow the LEO to disarm you if he wants to but most will just tell you to keep it holstered then ask you what Make/Model it is and then tell you about how they have to carry the issue Glock but they perfer Sigs and own a beutiful Sig 229 that he just ...., bla bla bla, etc, etc,..... If you are not Concealing you don't have to notify (duh, the LEO will already see it) and you don't HAVE to disarm but it's a courtesy. You may still end up in the gun conversation situation so always give yourself extra time for these types of encounters.

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    Different locales, different attitudes.
    I had to speak to one of my Sheriff's deputies on the 20th regarding vehicles that kept parking on a parking pad I had constructed on my property. Being openly armed was a complete non-issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yale View Post
    It's just a courtesy here in LA. If you are Concealing the law requires you to notify and allow the LEO to disarm you if he wants to but most will just tell you to keep it holstered then ask you what Make/Model it is and then tell you about how they have to carry the issue Glock but they perfer Sigs and own a beutiful Sig 229 that he just ...., bla bla bla, etc, etc,..... If you are not Concealing you don't have to notify (duh, the LEO will already see it) and you don't HAVE to disarm but it's a courtesy. You may still end up in the gun conversation situation so always give yourself extra time for these types of encounters.
    Be carefull. It is true that a citizen does not have to disarm at the request of a LEO UNLESS the LEO is investigating the citizen on suspision that some crime has been or will be committed. Review Terry V Ohio. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/htm...2_0001_ZS.html

    In short, if you are free to go then you are free to remain armed. If the officer has restrained your freedom, you'd better honor any requrest to disarm.

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    Welcome dpsd204. Thank you for being an example to your fellow officers, and understanding that we as legally armed citizens who choose to exercise our rights are not the enemy. Be safe and keep up the good work.

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    Amazing how having a few leo up on possible death penalty charges gets the law obeyed by the fence sitters.
    Have you considered there was someone with a gun hidden and you just caused the leo to not go after them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlackwareRobert View Post
    Amazing how having a few leo up on possible death penalty charges gets the law obeyed by the fence sitters.
    Have you considered there was someone with a gun hidden and you just caused the leo to not go after them?
    What are you talking about?
    If you are talking about what DSPD204 did he was doing his job. He had a call and he answered it. Found out it was a non issue and that was it.

    What the hell is the "fence sitter" comment? DSPD204 is no fence sitter if you're talking about him.

    My first encounter with him years ago was on a safety check on the side or the road. I was so impressed with the way he conducted himself I called and told the Chief of Police at his department how nice and professional he was.
    That was about 10 yrs. ago. He was a great LEO then and he's a great LEO now.

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    Nice to read about a good cop from time to time. The other kind get most of the press and the decent ones get forgotten. And a cop who knows a SIG is better than a Glock shows great promise...

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    life is good in louis-ann.

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    Thanks to everyone for the welcomes & kind words!

    Charlie12's brief synopsis of my & whoopingllama's meeting was entirely accurate. I am obligated to answer complaints from our citizens, as trivial and/or unfounded as they may be. I would have to agree w/ the general consensus that the majority of LEOs nationwide are misinformed on 2A & OC issues, but I can assure you that the officers under my supervision are WELL versed on handling such matters.

    The post about me asking whoopingllama to briefly voluntarily disarm was entirely correct. He was under no obligation to do so. There was no Terry issue involved because I immediately saw that he was OC'ing & he was under no suspicion of criminal activity. I didn't know him & his voluntary compliance made me more comfortable during our perhaps 30 second interaction. I wish that the OC community would realize that most LEOs are not of the JBT mentality, are strong advocates of the 2A, & realize that an armed citizenry is a very strong deterrent to criminal activity.

    In closing, I would ask that the OC community give due consideration to LEOs who are trying to do the right thing in a society that gets more dangerous for us ALL everyday.

    With Best Regards,
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    Told you he was good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dspd204 View Post
    I am obligated to answer complaints from our citizens, as trivial and/or unfounded as they may be.
    This is for information only, tone cannot necessarily be determined in a text based environment. That being said, could you have done a drive by and seen that the 'perpetrator' was lawfully OC'ing and not doing anything that should cause alarm and left it at that?

    I'm not trying to act paranoid, and I don't know the LA stop and identify laws, but we just had a situation in WI where a lady was driving down the street after someone at church called the cops and asked if OC is legal (it is). Instead of driving by and seeing no blood running down the streets, they performed a felony stop and pulled her out of the car and then took her car keys away and illegally searched the car and found a loaded gun. That is technically illegal but the DA filed not charges since the LEO had no RAS.

    Anyhow, I am trying to give you guys (LEO's) the benefit of the doubt but sometimes it's hard.

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    Paul, upon my arrival the OP was getting into his vehicle and driving away. Had he still been on foot, I would have in fact done a drive-by and cleared the call as unfounded.

    I don't understand your comment about tone in written words... My comment about "trivial and/or unfounded complaints" was aimed at my complainant.

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    Just a question and a thought. Seems to me that leaving the handgun in the holster means less handling. Every time someone handles the gun, you introduce (however slightly) the opportunity for an AD or ND.

    How would it be received if the citizen suggested to the officer that all guns remain in holsters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dspd204 View Post
    I don't understand your comment about tone in written words....
    See what I mean!!! I was basically trying to apologize in advance if what I said seemed harsh or combative, as that was not my intent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Gresham View Post
    Just a question and a thought. Seems to me that leaving the handgun in the holster means less handling. Every time someone handles the gun, you introduce (however slightly) the opportunity for an AD or ND.

    How would it be received if the citizen suggested to the officer that all guns remain in holsters?
    That is what bothers me about WI law. Every time I get into the car, I have to remove the weapon from my holster, have to drop the magazine, drop the cartridge from the barrel (we carry category 0) and then put the handgun and magazine into the case and then the case in the vehicle.

    If I'm running errands, I can get in and out of my car 10 times! Imagine the civilians watching me get out of the car, pull the case out, put it on my lap, remove the gun, put the magazine in, rack the slide and then put in my holster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    See what I mean!!! I was basically trying to apologize in advance if what I said seemed harsh or combative, as that was not my intent.
    Okay, I'm with you now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Gresham View Post
    Just a question and a thought. Seems to me that leaving the handgun in the holster means less handling. Every time someone handles the gun, you introduce (however slightly) the opportunity for an AD or ND.

    How would it be received if the citizen suggested to the officer that all guns remain in holsters?
    Point taken on the AD/ND aspect, Tom.

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