kg4usk
Regular Member
Just wondering if any of you all knew... say if I were walking down the street or riding my bicycle OC'ing, and a LEO stops me and asks for my ID, do I have to produce it?
Now with that said, if they have reasonable suspicion they may detain you and keep you longer in order to identify you better.
From reading several other threads the answer is no.
You do not need to provide ID. You do have to identify yourself by giving him your full name. Some people have found out that if you give them your drivers license they will keep it which allows them to "inadvertantly" detain you without officially detaining you. The only time you have to show your drivers license is if you are driving or in your car.
Now with that said, if they have reasonable suspicion they may detain you and keep you longer in order to identify you better.
which is why you should have a digital voice recorder on yer person and RECORDING anytime you are OCing.if I were walking down the street or riding my bicycle OC'ing, and a LEO stops me
*Waits for Citizen*
Sorry if you have covered this before, citizen, but can you clarify what you mean by "refusing consent?" I'm inferring that you might say something like, "Certainly, officer -- my name is Joe Schmatz, and I respectfully refuse consent to any searches of my person or property. Now, am I free to leave?"For myself, I plan to identify myself if demanded by a cop, while at the same time politely, verbally, refusing consent. Identifying myself saves me the bother of trying to memorize which localities have S & I ordinances. Besides, the cop is going to learn my name when the formal complaint or lawsuit lands, anyway. Politely, verbally refusing consent ensures clear understanding that I am complying with a demand, not voluntarily identifying myself. If it turns out the cop did not have authority to make such demand, all the better for me. I just add another point to the list for the complaint or lawsuit.
Sorry if you have covered this before, citizen, but can you clarify what you mean by "refusing consent?" I'm inferring that you might say something like, "Certainly, officer -- my name is Joe Schmatz, and I respectfully refuse consent to any searches of my person or property. Now, am I free to leave?"
Please correct me if I have it wrong.
Remember, some of these people consider proning-out somebody as light entertainment, something to look forward to during a dull shift.
Oh Citizen,
Why play word games? If you are propelled enough, just ask "am I free to go, or am I being detained"? If the answer is you are free to go... then go. If you are handing over an I.D. but stating that you are doing it because you feel compelled, it wouldn't even matter since the officer ASKED "I want to see some id" and thus no detention occurred. Most officers would meet that statement back with something like "well the option is up to you to hand over your i.d.". You forget to point out that most LEOs are extremely experienced and trained with such encounters and your word games are not anything new.
I can assure everyone on this board that LEOs don't try to prone innocent people out as light entertainment as something to do during a dull shift. You do realize that doing such thing without justification would be met with some serious consequences both civil, criminals, and from your department (termination). HAHA Citizen you are a true work of art. Your anti-LEO bias tarnishes much of your legal standpoints. How can you justify such a comment? Do you have a cite?
I don't speak for anyone but me. I try not to get in the middle of these kinds of threads, I hope you will acknowledge that I've always tried to give you a fair shake.I can assure everyone on this board that LEOs don't try to prone innocent people out as light entertainment as something to do during a dull shift. You do realize that doing such thing without justification would be met with some serious consequences both civil, criminals, and from your department (termination). HAHA Citizen you are a true work of art. Your anti-LEO bias tarnishes much of your legal standpoints. How can you justify such a comment? Do you have a cite?
SNIP If you are handing over an I.D. but stating that you are doing it because you feel compelled, it wouldn't even matter since the officer ASKED "I want to see some id" and thus no detention occurred. Most officers would meet that statement back with something like "well the option is up to you to hand over your i.d.". You forget to point out that most LEOs are extremely experienced and trained with such encounters and your word games are not anything new.
No offense but only a cop could see that as being asked. That is a demand.Oh Citizen,
Why play word games? If you are propelled enough, just ask "am I free to go, or am I being detained"? If the answer is you are free to go... then go. If you are handing over an I.D. but stating that you are doing it because you feel compelled, it wouldn't even matter since the officer ASKED "I want to see some id" and thus no detention occurred. Most officers would meet that statement back with something like "well the option is up to you to hand over your i.d.". You forget to point out that most LEOs are extremely experienced and trained with such encounters and your word games are not anything new.
I can assure everyone on this board that LEOs don't try to prone innocent people out as light entertainment as something to do during a dull shift. You do realize that doing such thing without justification would be met with some serious consequences both civil, criminals, and from your department (termination). HAHA Citizen you are a true work of art. Your anti-LEO bias tarnishes much of your legal standpoints. How can you justify such a comment? Do you have a cite?
SNIP You forget to point out that most LEOs are extremely experienced and trained with such encounters and your word games are not anything new.
I am not against anything exercising their rights.
You act like a government conspiracy is out to get you. Like that officer requesting your id is doing so because he has a secret plan to sneak into your house and take your loaded weapon off your hip while you sleep (oh I know you keep it there while you sleep). keep believing in your conspiracy.