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    Farm & Fleet Firearm Prohibition

    Anyone hear anything back from Farm & Fleet regarding their no firearm policy? I contacted them via their web contact form and didn't get a reply. I have not seen any prohibited posting at their stores. I doubt they want their customer base to know that F&F management is against a constitutional right. It would seem that they could be open to civil suit if they are uneven in enforcement of their no firearm policy.

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    Exclamation oc at farm+fleet

    I oc in f+f janesville all the time Dont ask just do it, if they dont have it posted,if you ask they will post no guns.

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    I have oc'ed at farm and fleet in Onalaska to many times to count, no signs, no problems. Life is good.

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    I wrote a letter (snailmail) to the CFO about 3 weeks ago. So far, no reply.

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    I have OC'd in the Farm & Fleet in Hallie/Chippewa Falls a dozen times or more without any problems. Likewise, I don't ask, I just do.

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    Flipper:
    If you acknowledge that it is a constitutional right why would you think you need to ask permission to exercise it?

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    I OC in the Onalaska F&F too. Never had any problems.
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    I've been in both the Oak Creek & Menomonee Falls stores with no problems.
    (Well, OK, I got one long look from a guy standing next to me at the customer service counter, but that's all.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipper View Post
    It would seem that they could be open to civil suit if they are uneven in enforcement of their no firearm policy.
    How so? What is your legal theory, please, with some basis in legal reality cited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipper View Post
    Anyone hear anything back from Farm & Fleet regarding their no firearm policy? I contacted them via their web contact form and didn't get a reply. I have not seen any prohibited posting at their stores. I doubt they want their customer base to know that F&F management is against a constitutional right. It would seem that they could be open to civil suit if they are uneven in enforcement of their no firearm policy.
    I've oc farm & fleet last week with no problem .[oak creek ] I buy my ammo an cleaning supplys there. no problem so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipper View Post
    Anyone hear anything back from Farm & Fleet regarding their no firearm policy? I contacted them via their web contact form and didn't get a reply. I have not seen any prohibited posting at their stores. I doubt they want their customer base to know that F&F management is against a constitutional right. It would seem that they could be open to civil suit if they are uneven in enforcement of their no firearm policy.
    Just to review, a constitution is an instrument by which the people form a government. They form a government by relinquishing their individual rights and using their relinquished rights to grant certain powers to the government. A constitutional right is nothing more than an expressly reserved right, i.e., a right not relinquished and turned into a governmental power. That means the government cannot use its powers in a way that infringes on the constitutional rights.

    Farm and Fleet, not being the government, has nothing to do with constiuttional rights.

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    I also open carry at Farm and Fleet in Onalaska without incident. If I don't see a sign in the window of a business prohibiting guns and it meets the law requirements I OC. I don't care if its the someplace listed on the forum as a No Carry business or not.

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    I have received no response to my followup communication with them after they advised me of their "corporate policy" a few weeks back. I haven't been to Farm & Fleet since then either, since I have suspended shopping there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flipper View Post
    Anyone hear anything back from Farm & Fleet regarding their no firearm policy? I contacted them via their web contact form and didn't get a reply. I have not seen any prohibited posting at their stores. I doubt they want their customer base to know that F&F management is against a constitutional right. It would seem that they could be open to civil suit if they are uneven in enforcement of their no firearm policy.
    Ive OCed at F&F in Janesville many, many times. No problems ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kd6sxa View Post
    I also open carry at Farm and Fleet in Onalaska without incident. If I don't see a sign in the window of a business prohibiting guns and it meets the law requirements I OC. I don't care if its the someplace listed on the forum as a No Carry business or not.
    Right on.

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    I was asked to leave the f&f in Baraboo. So was another member on here. (No name dropping from this guy.) Point is, I didnt ask, and was asked to leave after buying 200$ worth of shells. (Had to get money back for the extra box they charged me for.) I oc'd in the one in onalaska also. No problems there. Point is, I'm not going to carry somewhere that I have been asked to leave for oc, even if no signs are posted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kd6sxa View Post
    I also open carry at Farm and Fleet in Onalaska without incident. If I don't see a sign in the window of a business prohibiting guns and it meets the law requirements I OC. I don't care if its the someplace listed on the forum as a No Carry business or not.
    I dont know that this is something I would say on a public forum... Doug should be around soon to explain why. But if not, that could lead you to a "trespassing" charge. I think...

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    I don't carry at Farm & Fleet. Oh, that's right, I don't shop at Farm & Fleet, at all. I just bought a pallet of hardwood pellets for my stove; that's 50 bags, from. . . . someone else!!! How much did Farm & Fleet get, let's see, zero into zero carry the zero, Oh yeah, zero. That's what it's going to be when I replace my lawn mower and my snow blower and my cordless drill and my . . . well you get the point. Zero!

    Why am I so adamant about shopping elsewhere? Because I don't want my money going to some socialist sympathizers who think the Constitution is a quaint little foot note to history. I want to hear more from the rest of you who have purchased elsewhere because these fascist sympathizers won't let you carry a gun on there property.

    Also, anyone who shops at a known anti gun establishment deserves whatever they get. What is wrong with people. The ones who shop at a socialist sympathizers establishment. The same establishment who slaps all of us in the face with there anti Constitutional stance. That makes a great point. Sure, stomp on our rights, Oh but what a deal I got on that lawn mower. Whatever.

    Take a stand. Don't shop there. They hate you. Otherwise they would follow state guidelines.

    Hardballer out!
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    While I agree that we shouldn't go to stores that don't support our rights, we must remember a couple things.

    A private business has rights as well. You can't sue a business for not allowing you to exercise your rights. You can only if they discriminate against a protected class, for example, if they don't let you OC because you are 40+, black, muslim.

    I suppose you MIGHT be able to sue after the fact if, for example, it is posted as a gun free zone, you normally carry, you didn't because of the sign and then you get shot by a BG while inside. I assume you could make an argument that the business exposed you to undue risk because they didn't allow you a means of self-defense.

    Anyhow our individual rights aren't any greater than the businesses rights.

    If you don't like it, don't shop there.

    On a separate sub topic of this, I would think that if I OC'ed in F&F after reading this forum, I could defend myself from a trespassing charge by saying I wasn't directly notified of their policy, which I wasn't. As soon as I had the 1st real encounter with LEO or F&F management telling me my firearm was not welcome, then on subsequent visits I would be liable if I OC'ed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mlutz View Post
    I dont know that this is something I would say on a public forum... Doug should be around soon to explain why. But if not, that could lead you to a "trespassing" charge. I think...
    If they have not posted any information or told me personally I have no legal reason to believe it. Not saying the other members are liars or anything of that sort. Just pointing out that as far as I know it is hearsay and I BELIEVE it wouldn't hold up as proper/legal notification. Under that theory until they notify me personally or release a public statement or signage I have no reason to believe that policy is factual.

    At least that is my defense. And again not trying to attack anybodies counts just stating how what we know is hearsay and not what I would consider legal notification. But then again I am not a lawyer but would love to know were my faults are in my theory of defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul@paul-fisher.com View Post
    On a separate sub topic of this, I would think that if I OC'ed in F&F after reading this forum, I could defend myself from a trespassing charge by saying I wasn't directly notified of their policy, which I wasn't. As soon as I had the 1st real encounter with LEO or F&F management telling me my firearm was not welcome, then on subsequent visits I would be liable if I OC'ed.
    OK so I didn't read far enough down before I pressed the quote button. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra469 View Post
    OK so I didn't read far enough down before I pressed the quote button. Sorry.
    We agree!!!!

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    sorry guys, had to try this one out here....

    dang it, didn't work, the little deer is supposed to be munching on the popcorn. guess it lost something in translation.
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    [QUOTE=Cobra469;1314192]If they have not posted any information or told me personally I have no legal reason to believe it. Not saying the other members are liars or anything of that sort. Just pointing out that as far as I know it is hearsay and I BELIEVE it wouldn't hold up as proper/legal notification. Under that theory until they notify me personally or release a public statement or signage I have no reason to believe that policy is factual.

    I agree.

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    You have a reason to believe it, you simply are concluding that you have an insufficient reason.

    Heresay evidence is admissible in court under certain circumstances. A sign on the door of a store is heresay to a degree, since it is not the owner of the store directly telling you something. If you had the store manager on the witness stand and he said "The owner told me we should not allow guns in the store." do you believe your lawyer would be successful objecting to the statement as heresay? Judges have a degree of latitude, often wide, in deciding what evidence is admissible.
    Last edited by Shotgun; 07-24-2010 at 12:51 AM.

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