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    Tactical Assemssment: How to defeat the "Anti's"

    I've always felt that the one big point that the 2A movement (for lack of a better term) misses on almost EVERY front is that many of us have a fundamental misunderstanding of how Public Relations works.

    We want our arguments to be based on fact, truth, and what's right. We stand on the foundation built by brave, honorable, and intelligent men and women over the centuries who worked hard to secure the core fundamental human rights for ALL people. We often feel that because we have truth and "right" on our side, that those things alone will suffice to sway public opinion. And in a perfect world, full of rational, intelligent, and thoughtful people, it would.

    However, nothing could be further from the truth.

    We live in a world where the latest basketball scores are more important to most people than deep issues like civil rights. Most people know more about pop stars than they do about their own Mayor. People can tell you more about the detailed inner workings of the latest PS3 game than know who actually owns the Federal Reserve Banks...

    Public Relations isn't about "truth" or "whats right". Is has little to do with provable facts, empirical analysis, or hard data. Public Relations is ALL about perception. It's based on identifying the emotional triggers that make people act before they think. It's about identifying the fears of the public (death, poverty, being seen as uncool, etc.) and then developing a message that uses those fears to over-ride critical thinking. It's a dirty, messy, and sometimes duplicitous and downright unsavory operation, this PR business. The art and science of molding public opinion can be used for good or evil. It can be used for society's benefit, or for ransacking and pillaging.

    Unfortunately, PR has been most effectively deployed in the hands of the evil in the last hundred years of history. Truly effective PR brought us the Bolshevic revolution, the National Socialists, Pol Pot, and the terrible wars of "ethnic cleansing" in Africa, Asia, and Central Europe.

    PR also has been used in the hands of the misguided, the power-hungry, and the petty tyrants. PR brought us Prohibition. PR gave us the Gulf of Tonkin. PR gave us the assault weapons ban. PR destroyed the hemp industry. PR is replacing incandescent light bulbs with mercury-filled environmentally-toxic CFLs. The outcomes of PR often don't make any sense, and are often actually counterproductive to the well-being of most of society...

    But there have been shining sparkles of hope that PR can be used for good.

    Public Relations brought the Colonies their independence. PR brought us the Civil Rights movement. PR gave women and minorities the right to vote. And in many states, PR is making great strides with regards to the People's RKBA.

    And if the movers and shakers of the 2A movement in states like MD, NY, CA, and IL would think outside the box and read a little Edward Bernays, or Georgina Cavendish, or Harold Lasswell, we could harness this powerful tool to our benefit. We need to study up on how PR really works. It has NOTHING to do with the unvarnished truth. You can't stand on a pile of facts and statistics and expect the general populace to listen to what you have to say. Public Opinion just doesn't work that way...

    This is not to say that we need to lie to the public. No, not at all--in fact, what we need to do is show them the truth of the issue, but like a pill they don't want to take, we need to wrap it in something the general public understands, sympathizes with, and will respond emotionally to. And that wrapping CAN'T be statistics and dry academic studies.

    When a company tries to sell you detergent, do they tell you what's in it? Do they tell you how much dirt it actually takes out of your clothes? No. They show you dirty clothes that have been washed in the other guys stuff and it still has stains. They show you shirts with "ring around the collar". They base it on embarrassment, social status, and being concerned with the way you live and look.

    When the FBI released its 2009 UCR, and it showed that crime in MD was down 11%, what did Governor O'Malley say? Did he say that violent crime in MD was STILL almost THREE TIMES the national average? No, even though that is a FACT. He said that crime was down, and MD was safer.

    Did he lie? No. Maryland IS safer--but it's still almost 3 times more crime-ridden than the national average, so an 11% reduction is cold comfort if you know the whole story. What he DID do was use people's emotions to increase the power, authority, and reach of MD law enforcement, and to further justify decades of civil rights abuses with regards to the right of Marylanders to defend themselves, to exercise a free press, and to communicate freely.

    The 2A movement needs to USE the art and science of PR. We need to appeal to the insecurities of people. We need to educate people that the police are NOT there to protect them, and illustrate the GRAPHIC DETAIL of how that works, like in the Warren v. DC case. We need to show them that personal responsibility is a VIRTUE. We need people to think that fending for themselves is DESIRABLE. We need women to believe that they CAN'T depend on the police, or their husbands to keep them safe, and that being strong, and self-sufficient is empowering and liberating. We need minorities to think that they CAN make their own communities safe from crime and that depending on the government only makes the problem worse. We need minorities to remember that they got were they are today in America BECAUSE their forefathers stood up and took their destiny in their own hands, and were NOT reliant on any "authority" for their success.

    These things are all true. But people will only believe them if there is a direct personal connection--an emotional appeal to the things in life that make them feel uneasy, or unsafe, or helpless.

    That is how the "anti" side has gained so much ground. They have brainwashed people to believe that the only way they can be "safe" is to hand over their personal responsibilities and fundamental human rights of self defense to the government.

    It's time we start approaching this issue like activists, instead of academics. The general public doesn't read John Lott or Clayton Cramer. They don't read the UCR. They can't be bothered with statistics, and studies, and boring tables.

    But they DO respond to fear. They DO respond to social status. They DO respond to threats of racism, classism, and elitism against their communities--by the government or evil organizations. We need to appeal to that. We need to make "gun control" appear to be so socially unacceptable, so racially motivated, so morally repulsive that NOBODY would want to support it.

    That is the task we have before us.

    This isn't news to some folks, especially pro-2A people with backgrounds in other civil rights arenas, or with backgrounds in advertising or psychology.

    Amd I'm sure that this idea is lost on a lot of the "legal eagles" in the movement, because their world is so rooted in statutes, interpretations, and the intricacies of language.

    I think this concept IS lost on a lot of the "old timers" in the movement, because to them, self-defense is just "common sense". They can't understand why the public can't see that. What they are missing is that "common sense" is no longer very common...

    But there ARE a lot of new people coming into this issue with a lot of enthusiasm, skills and abilities, and THEY may not have thought of this. They may not have backgrounds in activism, or psychology, or public relations, or advertising. And they need to know that our most POWERFUL tool is NOT dry statistics (although facts ARE an important part of the equation). It is Public Relations, in all it's weird, wonderful, artful glory...

    Because today, it's ALL about perception.

    We need to send the message to the "anti's" that we've seen behind the curtain.

    Now it's OUR turn to point "Oz" back toward the direction of Freedom.
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
    --Barry Goldwater, 1964

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    Well written Dreamer.

    I don't have much to add other than when someone asks why I OC we can respond "Because my children are worth protecting!" (not my original thought, grabbed from another user, but absolutely true)

    I agree if gun ownership is viewed as a status symbol, cool, socially responsible, etc more people will sign on.

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    Cool thanks for the quote

    Quote Originally Posted by 45acpForMe View Post
    Well written Dreamer.

    I don't have much to add other than when someone asks why I OC we can respond "Because my children are worth protecting!" (not my original thought, grabbed from another user, but absolutely true)

    I agree if gun ownership is viewed as a status symbol, cool, socially responsible, etc more people will sign on.
    When I told the lady that my children were worth protecting I didn't know I would be quoted some day. Now I feel famous or something. I agree with your assessment of Dreamers post. Good job

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45acpForMe View Post
    I agree if gun ownership is viewed as a status symbol, cool, socially responsible, etc more people will sign on.
    That's not really where I was going with the essay, But if it works, then OK...

    But I think that a concerted effort to make it appealing and desirable for people to protect themselves would be effective.

    Some of the strongest opposition in the general public against people having the ability to protect themselves comes from "minority" communities. They have been brainwashed for decades that ALL guns are bad--even in the hands of good people. They have been taught for generations that the mere presence of a firearm would turn Gandhi himself into a raving homicidal maniac gang-banger. We need to re-program this mentality.

    And convincing people that the entire purpose of "gun control" is ACTUALLY "race control" and "class control" is what is going to be required. The only way to accomplish that is to literally "reprogram" the way people think. We've got nearly 30 years of hard-core propaganda to overcome--it won't be easy, and the results won't be quick.

    But there is a growing opinion among the "serious activists" in the pro-2A communities of the "trouble states" (MD, IL, CA, NJ, NY) that changing Public Opinion is a lost cause. They have literally given up on their fellow citizens. There is a disturbing attitude in the "trouble states" that, in fact, the general public IS so uneducable, politically ineffective, and morally bankrupt that they can never be counted on to make the right decisions. I've heard this PERSONALLY (not on some forum, but in FTF conversations) from some of the TOP people in the 2A movement of a certain Mid Atlantic state which shall remain nameless. And quite honestly, with that sort of thinking, it's No WONDER that the 2A movement doesn't have much public support in some areas...

    The prevailing opinion among some of these groups is that the ONLY way to change things is to FORCE the states and cities--through the courts--to change their laws.

    The way I see it, that accomplished only 3 things, none of which are really desirable in the long run:
    1) it puts a LOT of money into the pockets of a few lawyers on BOTH sides, which only enriches the legal system and does nothing to actually CHANGE public perception,
    2) it costs the taxpayers a LOT of money, which is never a good thing, and
    3) it further drives a wedge between the citizenry on one side, and the LE and Court systems on the other side, because the "officials" will be forced into doing something they really don't want to do, which will only result in more of the "us vs. them" mentality trend that is already a big problem.

    Lawsuits can be good. They are sort of a "last resort" that we have when there is no other recourse. And sometimes their effects are long-lasting. But on this issue, Cities and States have already shown that they really have NO respect for the Courts, and will do everything in their power to conteptuously ignore the rulings of the Highest Court in the Land.

    But if the large pro-2A organizations would put HALF the money into seriously organized and slickly produced PR--TV, movie, billboards, community outreach--that the VPC and Brady's do we could change public opinion in a meaningful way in less than 5 years.

    Especially in the current climate--rampant unemployment, gang crime, corruption in elected officials and LE being exposed on a daily basis--if the "big boys" would put the "big bucks" into PR and community outreach rather than into the pockets of a few dozen "rockstar lawyers", the victories would be a lot more real, lasting, and binding. It's all about PERCEPTION. When we present the very concept of "gun control" as the racist, classist, socially enslaving program of political control that it REALLY is, I think even the most out-of-touch, reality-TV-obsessed couch potatoes will start to come to our side.

    The other side has been making this a racial issue for decades. They've lied to the minority communities, telling them that gun control makes them safer. The fact is that during the 10 "golden years of gun control" (the 1990s) crime rose at it's sharpest rate in US history. It's pretty easy to prove that as soon as the big "gun buy back programs" were in full effect, gang activity exploded, drug wars became epidemic, and rape, kidnapping, vehicular theft, and armed robbery shot through the roof in the strongly anti-gun urban communities like Chicago, NY, Baltimore, and LA.

    The people need to know they've been lied to--NOT out of some sort of misguided desire for public safety--but because the people behind the anti-gun movement are flat-out racists and classist, and they really believe in their heart of hearts that the lives of the majority of the people in this country aren't WORTH protecting.

    It's that simple.

    It's not about "gun rights". It's not about "the founding Fathers". It's not about "individual sovereignty" or any other such lofty thing. Those ideas make for interesting conversations on internet forums, but they don't "sell the bacon".

    We need to make it PERSONAL--for each and every person living in a crime-ridden neighborhood. For every single mom. For every retiree. For every poor person. For every young professional woman, commuting through lousy neighborhoods. For every grandmother, living on her own. For every proud father. For every hard-working pizza delivery guy. For individual people.

    The anti-gun orgs and politicians don't consider their constituents to be worthy of living a long, safe, peaceful life.

    And THAT is the message that needs to be POUNDED and POUNDED into the public's mind--through the media, through speeches, through community outreach, and through the CONSTANT PUBLIC EXPOSURE of elected officials and public figures like Josh Sugarmann and Paul Helmke.

    And it wouldn't take any longer than lawsuits. Heller was, what, 3 years in the process? McDonald was about 2 years? That's five years folks. Look at how much damage was done in the first 5 years of the Brady Campaign. And even at their peak, they were 1/10th the size of the NRA...
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    WTF Dreamer.

    You have a great ability to express what many of us believe and feel. I agree with what you say quite often, and wish I could articulate myself as you do.

    I encourage you to take some of your essays and put them together in a pamphlet. Maybe even a booklet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simmonsjoe View Post
    You have a great ability to express what many of us believe and feel. I agree with what you say quite often, and wish I could articulate myself as you do.

    I encourage you to take some of your essays and put them together in a pamphlet. Maybe even a booklet.
    +1

    I found myself in a discussion just yesterday trying to open the mind of a anti (this one actually got angry) and I just couldn't find the right words to state what was needed to get the correct point across.

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    What can I Say

    very well articulated Dreamer, I was in awe reading it.


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    Dreamer - your posts have been nothing short of amazing to read. You are very articulate and ovbiously have studied these issues in great depth. I hope you give us all license to quote you in our own efforts.

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    Thanks everyone for the kind words.

    I'm just a guy with too much time on his hands, and a VERY big personal library...

    I'd be honored to be quoted, and it would make me even happier if people would start USING these ideas...

    Just don't do it on any Maryland-based 2A boards...
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    Public relations is about perception and leading people to a desired conclusion.

    Best utilized with a few succinct, well chosen words and/or images.

    "Because it is the Right thing to do" and the the day glow Guns Save Lives (GSL) stickers come to mind.

    We need more new, effective slogans and images that really reach out and grab people - motivate them.

    Ideas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Ideas?
    How about placing ads in the NY Times or other liberal media. Something like the attached.Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45acpForMe View Post
    How about placing ads in the NY Times or other liberal media. Something like the attached.Click image for larger version. 

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    Good tag line for that one might also be "Don't let your woman carry a gun"

    How about:

    "The Beauty of Self-Protection - It works!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grapeshot View Post
    Public relations is about perception and leading people to a desired conclusion.

    Best utilized with a few succinct, well chosen words and/or images.

    "Because it is the Right thing to do" and the the day glow Guns Save Lives (GSL) stickers come to mind.

    We need more new, effective slogans and images that really reach out and grab people - motivate them.

    Ideas?
    I always liked these, ESPECIALLY the one with the city map. I sure most of you have already seem them before.
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    Dreamer Has Made Some Excellent Points

    To some extent, we here on this forum are "preaching to the choir" rather then those who need to hear the message. And, while we all believe that SCOTUS has finally done something we have all taken for granted, that is, declared that the right to keep and bear arms is a CIVIL RIGHT, most of the Nation didn't notice and of course the liberal media would never point that out.

    What to do?

    Make the right to keep and bear arms a woman's issue. Here in Utah, a woman was brutally raped in downtown Salt Lake City about 1 year ago. The local media carried a story about how women were flocking in droves to gun stores, purchasing a handgun, attending basic handgun courses, and then taking CCW courses and getting their permits. One TV Station filmed one of their female TV Reporters buying a handgun, participating in a basic handgun safety course, learning marksmanship at the range, taking the CCW course, and then proudly displaying her permit. During the series, several other women were interviewed who were doing the same thing. Following that series on TV, rape statistics plummeted.

    Make the right to keep and bear arms a Race issue. After all, Mr. McDonald was a black man who feared for his safety because of criminal activity in his neighborhood. Mr. McDonald can now defend his house, but not himself as Dictator Daley (a democrat by the way) is using his political machine to enact restrictive laws that do not allow Mr. McDonald to defend himself outside his home. Point out to all you can that Mr. McDonald can defend himself in his house, but not at the store, at a sports event, or even in church.

    Make the right to keep and bear arms a Personal Safety issue. See above and remind anyone who asks that no amount of gun control law is going to take guns from criminals. It only serves to make law abiding citizens helpless - or makes them become criminals if they choose to protect themselves and their family rather than obey the law.

    If you live in an unenlightened State, engage your legislators. I used to live in Wisconsin, where open carry has only recently been recognized as legal and concealed carry is not allowed for anyone except LEO. I had a Utah non-resident CFP. I engaged my local State Senator (who was a 2A supporter) and asked why I could not do something in Wisconsin that I could do in 29 other States. He was floored. So, engage your legislators and learn where they stand. If they are anti folks, tell them that your vote and your money are going to somebody else.

    Above all, never give up. The Civil Rights Bill signed by President Johnson cost him support in the South, but it was the culmination of marches, letters, and voter registration that got the job done.

    And I have one other thought - pester the NRA. Remind them that the Anti folks will not stop with handguns and semi-automatic (so called Assault Rifles) - like England and Australia, bolt action hunting rifles, shotguns, and even black powder single shot rifles will follow. Pester the NRA and tell them to get on board with open carry and concealed carry. If the momentum changes, the USA will be just like England and Australia where private ownership of firearms is either severely restricted or suffers from an outright ban. The NRA has the deep pockets needed to do the TV commercials and has the pulpit to tell the story we seek to tell. And, if they do not listen, you know what to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jpm84092 View Post
    .My cats support the Second Amendment.
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    I've been jokingly asked if I was "expecting trouble" when I was seen OCing my side arms. I just smile and tell them "nope, but I don't suspect anyone at Ruby's Cafeteria, Columbine, VT, or Ft Hood Texas were expecting trouble when all hell broke loose on them either." I tell them that the handgun hanging on my belt is just a little insurance policy, just in case "trouble" rears it's ugly head in my immediate vicinity. You can see the light bulbs come on by the expressions on their faces after telling them that.

    I've also always told folks, that ask me why I carry all the time, that violent crime can happen to anyone, anywhere, at any time. That it doesn't matter how peaceful you think your community/neighborhood is, it's not immune to seeing heinous criminal activity occur.

    I'm fortunate to live in a pretty pro 2A county. I've never ran into anyone that has given me any negative flak about OCing everytime I come to town or any where else I go. Even our Sheriffs Deputies are in favor of the residents of the county getting the HCP's and arming up. They know that their response times could be extremely long and that they'd not likely get to us in time if we needed them. We usually only have 2 patrol deputies on duty at any given time for the entire county, with a TN state trooper roaming around..... sometimes.

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    Wel spoken Dreamer! Our unalienable rights do not come from man, they come from a higher power (politically correct) which I call God (Politically incorrect) if you listen to the minority namely the Progressives. The Founders knew this, the antis want all of us to think that only government can grant rights. I'm still trying to find it but even Ghandi said and I'll paraphrase that if a man with a gun was trying to kill you it would be best to have a gun to defend yourself. Even in my Rural area my son-in-law's cousin an LE in the next county wondered why I always carry. My answer was basically because not only do I not depend on him to keep me and mine safe, I don't want to walk into my own home outgunned. Rural home break-ins happen around here, and if someone broke into mine I'd be facing my own well stocked armory, bad idea. In the large cities even in Kansas the crime and gang related killings runs rampant. People think "oh this is Kansas what can happen here?" And do not understand that a large "Meth" problem exists. Get your messages published!!!
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    Exclamation JPFO already doing lots and lots of outreach to public

    Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership has been doing the PR thing for a long time. They don't have "big bucks" and need the support of all gun owners. http://www.jpfo.org/

    Take a look at some of their recent efforts.
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    JPFO does VERY good work.

    They have been aggressively "outing" anti-2A politicians who are black and Jewish recently, and that hasn't gone over well in some areas.

    Some of their work is so truthful and hard-hitting that they have essentially been blackballed in MD. Their reps can't get meeting with even the pro-2A Delegates in the MD GA, according to reports from the leadership of MSI...
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    I found something thanks to a thread bump from someone else that would (I think) be GREAT for a public relations pamphlet.
    It was posted by "gogodawgs" and I think it is really a soft but very direct way getting the point across......


    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs
    MILLIONMOMMARCH wrote:
    To many of you people suddenly go beserk and stark shooting everyone.

    For the last 20 years, I have stood next to you in line at the grocery store, at the coffee shop and while picking up my daughters from school. We have said hello, talked about the news of the day. I was the PTA President for a couple of years. You know me, and I am a kind, nice, gentle man who is considerate and thoughtful. You know that I have never and will never go 'beserk'. What you don't realize is that for the last 20 years is that I have concealed a handgun just inches from you and nothing has ever happened. Last year I began taking my jacket off and have come out of the closet. I will not hide from you or deceive you anymore, I have a firearm on my hip everyday.

    MILLIONMOMMARCH wrote:
    Only police should have guns!
    I have never been a police officer, I have never been in the military, I am an American citizen and I have the right and responsibility to take care of myself from the millions of criminals that prey on citizens.

    MILLIONMOMMARCH wrote:
    That is untill you get drunk, do drugs and then kill you wife and other people. All because you had "a bad day".
    I don't 'get drunk', I have never done drugs, perhaps you are referring to people who are already criminals. I am an optimist and I don't have 'a bad day', I live with great optimism and love life, that is why I am so adamant in protecting mine.

    MILLIONMOMMARCH wrote:
    mentaly ill that you feel you need a gun!
    I can assure you I am not mentally ill, that is part of the background check that takes place to obtain my Concealed Pistol License. I am not violent either, I have never been in a fight or been aggressive towards anyone.

    MILLIONMOMMARCH wrote:

    realy makes me mad is the people that are "open carrying"!

    You are not police so stop acting like one and intimidating people in the public!
    I will open carry because I am tired of living in the closet, people like you should know that upstanding men and women that you know and have known for 20 years own and carry firearms to protect themselves.

    I have never and will never act like police. Their jobs are extremely tough, they seek out criminals and I seek to avoid criminals. When criminals seem me open carrying they avoid me and leave, let's keep it that way. I do not intimidate people in public, I go about my life just the same as I did for the last 20 years next to you at the grocery store, I just do so now with my jacket off.





    Again, I have known you for the last 20 years and you have known me. I challenge you to have an open mind and an open heart and embrace those who love themselves and their families enough to take on the serious responsibility of self defense. I doubt that you have an open mind as expressed by your intolerance. Your social bigotry is a sad state of your ignorance and your inability to process the facts of gun ownership over the emotional garbage that you and the Brady Bunch spew to the American people.

    However, I will still smile and be nice, kind, polite and professional when we talk about our kids at the local coffee shop.

    I think this would be a GREAT start, an edited variant of this would be perfect. Since a lot of people instantly relate gun=bad, but if they could relate a neighbor, friend, barber, baseball coach they have known to be a upstanding person was pro2A then they would be more apt to listen with an open mind.
    Just my thoughts.

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    As gun owners we have the same problem as hunters and trappers have vs anti groups. As people we don't tend to like to go out and muckety-muck in other people's faces, most of us have jobs and families, so we can't do protest marches all the time and whatnot and in large enough #'s to be noticed. And even if we did, the media isn't on our side. They trash people like us by calling us " right wing wackos" or "gun toting cowboys". When our side tries to stand up, our voices get lost in the loud noise of the MSM.

    Then there is the fact that simple truth doesn't seem to interest people, but rediculous lies and half truths by the other side do. Emotion+ lies= getting the attention of the "lamestream" people. Let's take a better look at the emotional part of the tactic- we CAN use that, but who can afford the billboards, TV ads, magazine ads, etc? The NRA can afford it, but they would first have to clean their closets out and get the PR that is the NRA onto the track it should be on. Most "lamestream" people think the NRA is the bogeyman, a mean baby eating ogre, and a kitten crushing machine. Yes, it is a combo of "Brady Taint", MSM poison, and the NRA itself that got them to this point. They need a fresh new slate.

    We are too polite. We aren't batchit crazy enough to keep contacting our elected reps in large #'s, day after day, week after week.

    Not enough vocal "minorities" in our ranks. How about loads of women, blacks, legal immigrants who have become citizens and love the 2A,etc, to make a fussy-fuss?

    MSM painting us as bogeymen, baby eating ogres, and kitten crushers... what more need I say? They use terms like " rightwing", "conservative", "Republican",and even "Christian" as if they are dirty words, and that all gun owners are these dirty words. They will also use terms like "redneck" and "hillbilly", and use it in the context of meaning " poor uneducated beer guzzling white trash". Many of us don't fit these terms to begin with, wether used as "dirty words" or not. When a "new" term comes along such as "libertarian", or "tea party", what does the MSM do? We just crushed a few more kittens and ate another baby.

    Each of these following influences need to have something happen to CHANGE, to wake up the "lamestream":
    -Hollywood- movies and TV shows have ALOT of influence
    -Women's magazines and women's groups- they are too Oprah-like. Why do they not include gun ownership as a way for a woman to protect herself?
    -Police depts/ LEO agencies- we need them on our side and speaking up for us- in all localities. Are the police academies teaching recruits to see gun owners as an enemy? Why? If sheriffs are elected, why don't they speak up in more places? Why are there anti gun sheriffs, such as in CA? Why don't police chiefs in all localities urge people to get guns and learn the basics, and teach people about the self defense laws?
    The NAACP- what in blazes is wrong with these folks? They are totally corrupted and need a cleanup. MLK must be rolling in his grave. Jim Crow started the gun control laws- so why aren't black leaders working to be rid of them?
    Jewish groups- the big mainstream ones. Another collective group one wants to say WTF about. Warsaw Ghetto anyone? Lets see, the Nazis did WHAT after coming into power? Oh yeah, took guns away from the jews. Then it went really downhill from there. And these jewish groups that are anti gun consider JPFO to be nutballs?
    AARP-older people should be armed, as they are often targeted simply due to being old and seen as weak. Why is AARP anti gun?
    AAA- I have never seen a thing in their magazine about traveling with your sidearm, states reciprocity,etc. Are they anti gun? If so, why?
    ACLU- what in blazes....?

    BTW- I think the biggest thing that can happen to change even semi rabid antis is....

    ...to take them to a range! It seems every time I read or hear about "xx coworker who is anti gun/one day they inquired about going to the range with me", I see the result is another gun owner. Or at least someone who wakes up and smells the Starbucks coffee.


    There ya go Dreamer, you got me writing long texts on the subject now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by XD40coyote View Post
    -Hollywood
    -Women's magazines and women's groups
    -Police depts/ LEO agencies
    -The NAACP
    -Jewish groups
    -AARP
    -AAA
    -ACLU

    What do ALL these groups have in common?

    They ALL take funding (grants, advertising, charitable contributions, etc) from big international Foundations like Rockefeller and Soros. They support what "the money" supports, and in this case, that is complete civilian disarmament...


    Quote Originally Posted by XD40coyote View Post
    BTW- I think the biggest thing that can happen to change even semi rabid antis is....

    ...to take them to a range! It seems every time I read or hear about "xx coworker who is anti gun/one day they inquired about going to the range with me", I see the result is another gun owner. Or at least someone who wakes up and smells the Starbucks coffee.


    There ya go Dreamer, you got me writing long texts on the subject now!
    Yes, taking people to the range is a GREAT way to win converts. Even the most rabid "anti" can change their mind about guns after an afternoon with a rimfire rifle or pistol. They migh tnot want to go buy their own gun, but many of them--after an educational, enjoyable, and enlightening experience will come to realize that it's NOT the guns that just magically jump up and kill people...

    As for your long response, thank you! I love it when peopl eput some thought into posts--it shows that I've got their gears turning. We need to start THINKING about these issues, not just parroting the 2A party line, or repeating the standard NRA party line. Creative approaches, innovative strategies, grassroots PR are things we all need to explore and implement...
    It is our cause to dispel the foggy thinking which avoids hard decisions in the delusion that a world of conflict will somehow mysteriously resolve itself into a world of harmony, if we just don't rock the boat or irritate the forces of aggression—and this is hogwash."
    --Barry Goldwater, 1964

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    A few years ago I suggested to MSI to set up at community/county festivals, such as the Towsontown Spring Festival. They didn't do it that year, nor the next... but something "magical" happened this last spring- they were there! I see they also have been and are doing other such festivals/events in central MD. People tend to see me as weird and don't often go for my ideas, and I am happy someone at MSI remembered my idea.

    Going out directly to communities by being at a booth/table set up at community fairs and festivals, is a GREAT way to get positive exposure to show ordinary people that gun owners are not baby eating ogres or trashy beer guzzling rednecks. The public can come by and see what we are about. They can talk to us. Antis can debate with us while several fence sitters watch, and the fence sitters can see the antis getting emotional and acting like kookoos, while the gun owner/gun rights people act calm and cool and simply say the truth. Now which side will fence sitters feel more comfy around?

    Unfortunatly due to some health issues of mine, I can pretty much only conduct my pro gun activities in my " comfort zone", and not be at all these events.

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