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Tactical Assemssment: How to defeat the "Anti's"

Dreamer

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I've always felt that the one big point that the 2A movement (for lack of a better term) misses on almost EVERY front is that many of us have a fundamental misunderstanding of how Public Relations works.

We want our arguments to be based on fact, truth, and what's right. We stand on the foundation built by brave, honorable, and intelligent men and women over the centuries who worked hard to secure the core fundamental human rights for ALL people. We often feel that because we have truth and "right" on our side, that those things alone will suffice to sway public opinion. And in a perfect world, full of rational, intelligent, and thoughtful people, it would.

However, nothing could be further from the truth.

We live in a world where the latest basketball scores are more important to most people than deep issues like civil rights. Most people know more about pop stars than they do about their own Mayor. People can tell you more about the detailed inner workings of the latest PS3 game than know who actually owns the Federal Reserve Banks...

Public Relations isn't about "truth" or "whats right". Is has little to do with provable facts, empirical analysis, or hard data. Public Relations is ALL about perception. It's based on identifying the emotional triggers that make people act before they think. It's about identifying the fears of the public (death, poverty, being seen as uncool, etc.) and then developing a message that uses those fears to over-ride critical thinking. It's a dirty, messy, and sometimes duplicitous and downright unsavory operation, this PR business. The art and science of molding public opinion can be used for good or evil. It can be used for society's benefit, or for ransacking and pillaging.

Unfortunately, PR has been most effectively deployed in the hands of the evil in the last hundred years of history. Truly effective PR brought us the Bolshevic revolution, the National Socialists, Pol Pot, and the terrible wars of "ethnic cleansing" in Africa, Asia, and Central Europe.

PR also has been used in the hands of the misguided, the power-hungry, and the petty tyrants. PR brought us Prohibition. PR gave us the Gulf of Tonkin. PR gave us the assault weapons ban. PR destroyed the hemp industry. PR is replacing incandescent light bulbs with mercury-filled environmentally-toxic CFLs. The outcomes of PR often don't make any sense, and are often actually counterproductive to the well-being of most of society...

But there have been shining sparkles of hope that PR can be used for good.

Public Relations brought the Colonies their independence. PR brought us the Civil Rights movement. PR gave women and minorities the right to vote. And in many states, PR is making great strides with regards to the People's RKBA.

And if the movers and shakers of the 2A movement in states like MD, NY, CA, and IL would think outside the box and read a little Edward Bernays, or Georgina Cavendish, or Harold Lasswell, we could harness this powerful tool to our benefit. We need to study up on how PR really works. It has NOTHING to do with the unvarnished truth. You can't stand on a pile of facts and statistics and expect the general populace to listen to what you have to say. Public Opinion just doesn't work that way...

This is not to say that we need to lie to the public. No, not at all--in fact, what we need to do is show them the truth of the issue, but like a pill they don't want to take, we need to wrap it in something the general public understands, sympathizes with, and will respond emotionally to. And that wrapping CAN'T be statistics and dry academic studies.

When a company tries to sell you detergent, do they tell you what's in it? Do they tell you how much dirt it actually takes out of your clothes? No. They show you dirty clothes that have been washed in the other guys stuff and it still has stains. They show you shirts with "ring around the collar". They base it on embarrassment, social status, and being concerned with the way you live and look.

When the FBI released its 2009 UCR, and it showed that crime in MD was down 11%, what did Governor O'Malley say? Did he say that violent crime in MD was STILL almost THREE TIMES the national average? No, even though that is a FACT. He said that crime was down, and MD was safer.

Did he lie? No. Maryland IS safer--but it's still almost 3 times more crime-ridden than the national average, so an 11% reduction is cold comfort if you know the whole story. What he DID do was use people's emotions to increase the power, authority, and reach of MD law enforcement, and to further justify decades of civil rights abuses with regards to the right of Marylanders to defend themselves, to exercise a free press, and to communicate freely.

The 2A movement needs to USE the art and science of PR. We need to appeal to the insecurities of people. We need to educate people that the police are NOT there to protect them, and illustrate the GRAPHIC DETAIL of how that works, like in the Warren v. DC case. We need to show them that personal responsibility is a VIRTUE. We need people to think that fending for themselves is DESIRABLE. We need women to believe that they CAN'T depend on the police, or their husbands to keep them safe, and that being strong, and self-sufficient is empowering and liberating. We need minorities to think that they CAN make their own communities safe from crime and that depending on the government only makes the problem worse. We need minorities to remember that they got were they are today in America BECAUSE their forefathers stood up and took their destiny in their own hands, and were NOT reliant on any "authority" for their success.

These things are all true. But people will only believe them if there is a direct personal connection--an emotional appeal to the things in life that make them feel uneasy, or unsafe, or helpless.

That is how the "anti" side has gained so much ground. They have brainwashed people to believe that the only way they can be "safe" is to hand over their personal responsibilities and fundamental human rights of self defense to the government.

It's time we start approaching this issue like activists, instead of academics. The general public doesn't read John Lott or Clayton Cramer. They don't read the UCR. They can't be bothered with statistics, and studies, and boring tables.

But they DO respond to fear. They DO respond to social status. They DO respond to threats of racism, classism, and elitism against their communities--by the government or evil organizations. We need to appeal to that. We need to make "gun control" appear to be so socially unacceptable, so racially motivated, so morally repulsive that NOBODY would want to support it.

That is the task we have before us.

This isn't news to some folks, especially pro-2A people with backgrounds in other civil rights arenas, or with backgrounds in advertising or psychology.

Amd I'm sure that this idea is lost on a lot of the "legal eagles" in the movement, because their world is so rooted in statutes, interpretations, and the intricacies of language.

I think this concept IS lost on a lot of the "old timers" in the movement, because to them, self-defense is just "common sense". They can't understand why the public can't see that. What they are missing is that "common sense" is no longer very common...

But there ARE a lot of new people coming into this issue with a lot of enthusiasm, skills and abilities, and THEY may not have thought of this. They may not have backgrounds in activism, or psychology, or public relations, or advertising. And they need to know that our most POWERFUL tool is NOT dry statistics (although facts ARE an important part of the equation). It is Public Relations, in all it's weird, wonderful, artful glory...

Because today, it's ALL about perception.

We need to send the message to the "anti's" that we've seen behind the curtain.

Now it's OUR turn to point "Oz" back toward the direction of Freedom.
 

45acpForMe

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Well written Dreamer.

I don't have much to add other than when someone asks why I OC we can respond "Because my children are worth protecting!" (not my original thought, grabbed from another user, but absolutely true)

I agree if gun ownership is viewed as a status symbol, cool, socially responsible, etc more people will sign on.
 

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thanks for the quote

Well written Dreamer.

I don't have much to add other than when someone asks why I OC we can respond "Because my children are worth protecting!" (not my original thought, grabbed from another user, but absolutely true)

I agree if gun ownership is viewed as a status symbol, cool, socially responsible, etc more people will sign on.

When I told the lady that my children were worth protecting I didn't know I would be quoted some day. Now I feel famous or something. I agree with your assessment of Dreamers post. Good job
 

Dreamer

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I agree if gun ownership is viewed as a status symbol, cool, socially responsible, etc more people will sign on.

That's not really where I was going with the essay, But if it works, then OK...

But I think that a concerted effort to make it appealing and desirable for people to protect themselves would be effective.

Some of the strongest opposition in the general public against people having the ability to protect themselves comes from "minority" communities. They have been brainwashed for decades that ALL guns are bad--even in the hands of good people. They have been taught for generations that the mere presence of a firearm would turn Gandhi himself into a raving homicidal maniac gang-banger. We need to re-program this mentality.

And convincing people that the entire purpose of "gun control" is ACTUALLY "race control" and "class control" is what is going to be required. The only way to accomplish that is to literally "reprogram" the way people think. We've got nearly 30 years of hard-core propaganda to overcome--it won't be easy, and the results won't be quick.

But there is a growing opinion among the "serious activists" in the pro-2A communities of the "trouble states" (MD, IL, CA, NJ, NY) that changing Public Opinion is a lost cause. They have literally given up on their fellow citizens. There is a disturbing attitude in the "trouble states" that, in fact, the general public IS so uneducable, politically ineffective, and morally bankrupt that they can never be counted on to make the right decisions. I've heard this PERSONALLY (not on some forum, but in FTF conversations) from some of the TOP people in the 2A movement of a certain Mid Atlantic state which shall remain nameless. And quite honestly, with that sort of thinking, it's No WONDER that the 2A movement doesn't have much public support in some areas...

The prevailing opinion among some of these groups is that the ONLY way to change things is to FORCE the states and cities--through the courts--to change their laws.

The way I see it, that accomplished only 3 things, none of which are really desirable in the long run:
1) it puts a LOT of money into the pockets of a few lawyers on BOTH sides, which only enriches the legal system and does nothing to actually CHANGE public perception,
2) it costs the taxpayers a LOT of money, which is never a good thing, and
3) it further drives a wedge between the citizenry on one side, and the LE and Court systems on the other side, because the "officials" will be forced into doing something they really don't want to do, which will only result in more of the "us vs. them" mentality trend that is already a big problem.

Lawsuits can be good. They are sort of a "last resort" that we have when there is no other recourse. And sometimes their effects are long-lasting. But on this issue, Cities and States have already shown that they really have NO respect for the Courts, and will do everything in their power to conteptuously ignore the rulings of the Highest Court in the Land.

But if the large pro-2A organizations would put HALF the money into seriously organized and slickly produced PR--TV, movie, billboards, community outreach--that the VPC and Brady's do we could change public opinion in a meaningful way in less than 5 years.

Especially in the current climate--rampant unemployment, gang crime, corruption in elected officials and LE being exposed on a daily basis--if the "big boys" would put the "big bucks" into PR and community outreach rather than into the pockets of a few dozen "rockstar lawyers", the victories would be a lot more real, lasting, and binding. It's all about PERCEPTION. When we present the very concept of "gun control" as the racist, classist, socially enslaving program of political control that it REALLY is, I think even the most out-of-touch, reality-TV-obsessed couch potatoes will start to come to our side.

The other side has been making this a racial issue for decades. They've lied to the minority communities, telling them that gun control makes them safer. The fact is that during the 10 "golden years of gun control" (the 1990s) crime rose at it's sharpest rate in US history. It's pretty easy to prove that as soon as the big "gun buy back programs" were in full effect, gang activity exploded, drug wars became epidemic, and rape, kidnapping, vehicular theft, and armed robbery shot through the roof in the strongly anti-gun urban communities like Chicago, NY, Baltimore, and LA.

The people need to know they've been lied to--NOT out of some sort of misguided desire for public safety--but because the people behind the anti-gun movement are flat-out racists and classist, and they really believe in their heart of hearts that the lives of the majority of the people in this country aren't WORTH protecting.

It's that simple.

It's not about "gun rights". It's not about "the founding Fathers". It's not about "individual sovereignty" or any other such lofty thing. Those ideas make for interesting conversations on internet forums, but they don't "sell the bacon".

We need to make it PERSONAL--for each and every person living in a crime-ridden neighborhood. For every single mom. For every retiree. For every poor person. For every young professional woman, commuting through lousy neighborhoods. For every grandmother, living on her own. For every proud father. For every hard-working pizza delivery guy. For individual people.

The anti-gun orgs and politicians don't consider their constituents to be worthy of living a long, safe, peaceful life.

And THAT is the message that needs to be POUNDED and POUNDED into the public's mind--through the media, through speeches, through community outreach, and through the CONSTANT PUBLIC EXPOSURE of elected officials and public figures like Josh Sugarmann and Paul Helmke.

And it wouldn't take any longer than lawsuits. Heller was, what, 3 years in the process? McDonald was about 2 years? That's five years folks. Look at how much damage was done in the first 5 years of the Brady Campaign. And even at their peak, they were 1/10th the size of the NRA...
 
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simmonsjoe

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WTF Dreamer.

You have a great ability to express what many of us believe and feel. I agree with what you say quite often, and wish I could articulate myself as you do.

I encourage you to take some of your essays and put them together in a pamphlet. Maybe even a booklet.
 

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You have a great ability to express what many of us believe and feel. I agree with what you say quite often, and wish I could articulate myself as you do.

I encourage you to take some of your essays and put them together in a pamphlet. Maybe even a booklet.

+1

I found myself in a discussion just yesterday trying to open the mind of a anti (this one actually got angry) and I just couldn't find the right words to state what was needed to get the correct point across.
:banghead:
 

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Excellent piece. Our enemies seize power while we do nothing. We do not desire power. We desire Freedom. Those who will not seize power are forever ruled by those who do. We just think about ourselves and about doing the right thing day in day out, while our enemies think about us and sowing the seeds of our destruction each day. This is why they have won.

You see, they operate outside of the rules, always have and always will--while we play only by the rules. They recognize no authority other than their own, they recognize no rules of safe conduct or fair play, nor do they recognize any object other than their own aims. They strike us with great violence every moment of any day--while we cry for them to stop. They will not stop. The more we cry, the more they like it. The more we get angry (which is precisely the same thing as crying--and both pursuits are equally worthless) the more they like it.

Until the day comes when the people will strike back with greater force than our enemies and are willing to take them out and get them off our backs once and for all -- we will always be the losers.

If you think you're going to win this war while fighting "fairly"--you are completely out of your mind. In order to defeat the enemy one must become the enemy. One must be willing to do what his enemy does--and worse.

Until we're willing to do these things, our "Freedom" will remain the elusive creature that it is.
 
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Dreamer - your posts have been nothing short of amazing to read. You are very articulate and ovbiously have studied these issues in great depth. I hope you give us all license to quote you in our own efforts.
 

Dreamer

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Thanks everyone for the kind words.

I'm just a guy with too much time on his hands, and a VERY big personal library... ;)

I'd be honored to be quoted, and it would make me even happier if people would start USING these ideas...

Just don't do it on any Maryland-based 2A boards... ;)
 
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Public relations is about perception and leading people to a desired conclusion.

Best utilized with a few succinct, well chosen words and/or images.

"Because it is the Right thing to do" and the the day glow Guns Save Lives (GSL) stickers come to mind.

We need more new, effective slogans and images that really reach out and grab people - motivate them.

Ideas?
 

merc460

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Public relations is about perception and leading people to a desired conclusion.

Best utilized with a few succinct, well chosen words and/or images.

"Because it is the Right thing to do" and the the day glow Guns Save Lives (GSL) stickers come to mind.

We need more new, effective slogans and images that really reach out and grab people - motivate them.

Ideas?

I always liked these, ESPECIALLY the one with the city map. I sure most of you have already seem them before.
 

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jpm84092

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Dreamer Has Made Some Excellent Points

To some extent, we here on this forum are "preaching to the choir" rather then those who need to hear the message. And, while we all believe that SCOTUS has finally done something we have all taken for granted, that is, declared that the right to keep and bear arms is a CIVIL RIGHT, most of the Nation didn't notice and of course the liberal media would never point that out.

What to do?

Make the right to keep and bear arms a woman's issue. Here in Utah, a woman was brutally raped in downtown Salt Lake City about 1 year ago. The local media carried a story about how women were flocking in droves to gun stores, purchasing a handgun, attending basic handgun courses, and then taking CCW courses and getting their permits. One TV Station filmed one of their female TV Reporters buying a handgun, participating in a basic handgun safety course, learning marksmanship at the range, taking the CCW course, and then proudly displaying her permit. During the series, several other women were interviewed who were doing the same thing. Following that series on TV, rape statistics plummeted.

Make the right to keep and bear arms a Race issue. After all, Mr. McDonald was a black man who feared for his safety because of criminal activity in his neighborhood. Mr. McDonald can now defend his house, but not himself as Dictator Daley (a democrat by the way) is using his political machine to enact restrictive laws that do not allow Mr. McDonald to defend himself outside his home. Point out to all you can that Mr. McDonald can defend himself in his house, but not at the store, at a sports event, or even in church.

Make the right to keep and bear arms a Personal Safety issue. See above and remind anyone who asks that no amount of gun control law is going to take guns from criminals. It only serves to make law abiding citizens helpless - or makes them become criminals if they choose to protect themselves and their family rather than obey the law.

If you live in an unenlightened State, engage your legislators. I used to live in Wisconsin, where open carry has only recently been recognized as legal and concealed carry is not allowed for anyone except LEO. I had a Utah non-resident CFP. I engaged my local State Senator (who was a 2A supporter) and asked why I could not do something in Wisconsin that I could do in 29 other States. He was floored. So, engage your legislators and learn where they stand. If they are anti folks, tell them that your vote and your money are going to somebody else.

Above all, never give up. The Civil Rights Bill signed by President Johnson cost him support in the South, but it was the culmination of marches, letters, and voter registration that got the job done.

And I have one other thought - pester the NRA. Remind them that the Anti folks will not stop with handguns and semi-automatic (so called Assault Rifles) - like England and Australia, bolt action hunting rifles, shotguns, and even black powder single shot rifles will follow. Pester the NRA and tell them to get on board with open carry and concealed carry. If the momentum changes, the USA will be just like England and Australia where private ownership of firearms is either severely restricted or suffers from an outright ban. The NRA has the deep pockets needed to do the TV commercials and has the pulpit to tell the story we seek to tell. And, if they do not listen, you know what to do.
 

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I've been jokingly asked if I was "expecting trouble" when I was seen OCing my side arms. I just smile and tell them "nope, but I don't suspect anyone at Ruby's Cafeteria, Columbine, VT, or Ft Hood Texas were expecting trouble when all hell broke loose on them either." I tell them that the handgun hanging on my belt is just a little insurance policy, just in case "trouble" rears it's ugly head in my immediate vicinity. You can see the light bulbs come on by the expressions on their faces after telling them that.

I've also always told folks, that ask me why I carry all the time, that violent crime can happen to anyone, anywhere, at any time. That it doesn't matter how peaceful you think your community/neighborhood is, it's not immune to seeing heinous criminal activity occur.

I'm fortunate to live in a pretty pro 2A county. I've never ran into anyone that has given me any negative flak about OCing everytime I come to town or any where else I go. Even our Sheriffs Deputies are in favor of the residents of the county getting the HCP's and arming up. They know that their response times could be extremely long and that they'd not likely get to us in time if we needed them. We usually only have 2 patrol deputies on duty at any given time for the entire county, with a TN state trooper roaming around..... sometimes.
 

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Wel spoken Dreamer! Our unalienable rights do not come from man, they come from a higher power (politically correct) which I call God (Politically incorrect) if you listen to the minority namely the Progressives. The Founders knew this, the antis want all of us to think that only government can grant rights. I'm still trying to find it but even Ghandi said and I'll paraphrase that if a man with a gun was trying to kill you it would be best to have a gun to defend yourself. Even in my Rural area my son-in-law's cousin an LE in the next county wondered why I always carry. My answer was basically because not only do I not depend on him to keep me and mine safe, I don't want to walk into my own home outgunned. Rural home break-ins happen around here, and if someone broke into mine I'd be facing my own well stocked armory, bad idea. In the large cities even in Kansas the crime and gang related killings runs rampant. People think "oh this is Kansas what can happen here?" And do not understand that a large "Meth" problem exists. Get your messages published!!!
 

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JPFO already doing lots and lots of outreach to public

Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership has been doing the PR thing for a long time. They don't have "big bucks" and need the support of all gun owners. http://www.jpfo.org/

Take a look at some of their recent efforts.
"No Guns for Negroes "

FREE DOWNLOAD/VIEW http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ngn-download-view.htm

This film exposes the racist history of American gun control laws. Every person who supports gun control laws must be shown this film or gun ownership will cease to exist in America.

*****

"2A Today for the USA"

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The best educational video ever made to save The Second Amendment. Go to our download page now.

G.Gordon Liddy comments - "..... it counters the arguments of the gun controllers, the misinterpretation of the second amendment – and it does so very well, clearly and concisely. Share it with your friends – it is important"

Go to our download page now. http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ngn-download-view.htm

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Learn more, view "Innocents Betrayed", a documentary film that shows the use and results of "Gun Control" in the eight major genocides during the last 100 years. http://shop.jpfo.org/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=8

******

The newest one, almost ready for release: No Guns for Jews
http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ngj-promo.htm
 

Dreamer

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JPFO does VERY good work.

They have been aggressively "outing" anti-2A politicians who are black and Jewish recently, and that hasn't gone over well in some areas.

Some of their work is so truthful and hard-hitting that they have essentially been blackballed in MD. Their reps can't get meeting with even the pro-2A Delegates in the MD GA, according to reports from the leadership of MSI...
 
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