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    OC, wa CPL, utah, florida, reciprocity, BIG study!!!

    a forum friend going on a trip to chigago made me wonder about carry on that route.
    a utah CC permit class in the news paper in shelton on the 23rd, ph #253-884-4117,
    cost 126$, (i would go and take it, but ill be outa town) made me really curious!


    ALL US citizens can OC in 26 states, im glad were in one of those states.
    ALL US citizens can CC in 2 states, they are alaska and vermont, i call them freebees. -------for a total 26 carry states


    if you get a washington permit
    of course we should want a wash permit, cost about 57$

    you will add 4 Licensed OC states to our 26, for a total of 30 OC states
    you will convert 12 of your OC states to CC states
    you will ADD 8 new CC states
    and you will still have your 2 freebee CC states

    now you will have 30 OC states, and
    and you will have 22 CC states,----------------------------- for a total of 34 carry states.


    if you get a utah permit but already have your wash permit.
    for outa staters the cost is about 126$

    you will add 3 Licensed OC states to your 30, for a total of 33 OC states
    you will convert 5 of your OC states to CC states
    you will ADD 4 new CC states
    and you will still have your 2 freebee CC states

    now you will have 33 OC states,
    and you will have 31 CC states,------------------------- for a total of 38 carry states


    if you get a florida permit, but already have a wash, and a utah permit.
    for outa staters the cost is about 120$

    you will only convert 2 OC states to to CC states!

    now you will still have 33 OC states
    and you will now have 33 CC states----------------, for a total of 38 carry carry states



    should i buy both states permits?------------- NO,--- buying only 1 outa state permit saves you about 120$


    things to be gained with a utah permit, over a fla permit, you save about 120$
    and you------------add CC and OC in mass.

    things to be gained if get you a fla, but not a utah permit, you save 126$
    you------ get to (CC) in kan and n mex,
    but they are alrady OC friendly states anyway!
    so, nothing really!


    i went to handgunlaw.us a NRA site with no OC info,,------------ and OCDO, maps, for this info.



    looking back on the trip to chicago,,,,, even with no permit, i would taken my gun.
    5 of 7 states on the way are open carry friendly and only require clearly visible in the car, or have no restrictions.
    one of the no carry states only requires, unloaded in a box with a top, and the other state requires unloaded in a locked box.

    harbor freight sells, combination lock boxes, that look like books for 10-13$







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    Hate to throw a wrench in your math, but remember Arizona recently passed a Constitutional carry law... NO permission slip required to OC or CC.
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    you call that a wrench??

    arizona will change law this fall,
    theyre OC anyway, and our wash permit is accepted there already!
    thanks for waiting to post till i say "im done"
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    sorry Kim

    Quote Originally Posted by Poosharker View Post
    There goes my brain for the night.
    my brain has been twisted and smoldering for two days trying to digest all this information!
    EMNofSeattle wrote: Your idea of freedom terrifies me. So you are actually right. I am perfectly happy with what you call tyranny.....

    “If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.”

    Stand up for your Rights,, They have no authority on their own...

    All power is inherent in the people,
    it is their right and duty to be at all times ARMED!

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    Maybe soon we will see all 50 States with one permit, not 2 permits for 38, etc. This current mess is similar to when the automobile was new. Different rules and requirements everywhere. That too took time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    This current mess is similar to when the automobile was new. Different rules and requirements everywhere. That too took time.
    Why is it taking so long?

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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Maybe soon we will see all 50 States with one permit, not 2 permits for 38, etc. This current mess is similar to when the automobile was new. Different rules and requirements everywhere. That too took time.
    We should have constitutional carry in all 50 States. Permit means there's some agency that oversees all that information.
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    this is great info! thanks for taking the time to interpret all that for us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsx1138 View Post
    We should have constitutional carry in all 50 States. Permit means there's some agency that oversees all that information.
    And we all know that just ain't gonna happen any time soon man. Permitted carry in all US territory would at least be a first step. Hell, any kind of legal carry in NY, DC, or Chicago would be a step!
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    Cabelas in Lacey has a Utah concealed class $70 prepay / $90 at the door with an additional $66.25 to BCI.

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    So, we need WA, OR, and UT to pretty much cover all the bases.
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    and Fla!!!

    Na not really, but why not just go ahead and get another permit.

    (Officer pulls you over "sir do you have a CCW or equivalent?" "Sure officer, hold on a second" Proceed to pull out each one slowly and hand it to the officer, each time asking "will this one work?" DO NOT wait for a response and move on to the next one.....)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    And we all know that just ain't gonna happen any time soon man. Permitted carry in all US territory would at least be a first step. Hell, any kind of legal carry in NY, DC, or Chicago would be a step!
    Why must a permit be the first step? The permit system is an infringement on the right to bear arms.

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    Dont forget Nevada does not honor UT anymore and never did honor WA or OR. Nevada is very OC friendly and carry in a vehicle is a piece of cake except for concealed on your person without a valid permit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orphan View Post
    Nevada is very OC friendly...
    I hear Las Vegas could a dangerous place to carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwikrnu View Post
    Why must a permit be the first step? The permit system is an infringement on the right to bear arms.
    It's called incrementalism. It's worked wonderfully for those who take away our rights for the last few decades. It can work the other way as well. Yes, it's an infringement, but in the case of the places mentioned, it's less of an infringement than was present before, therefore, an improvement. Also the only realistic way there ever will be any improvement (barring national cataclysm). Like it or not, you're simply not going to wake up one day to a libertarian paradise where you can OC down Pennsylvania avenue with no gov't permission slip.
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    It is my opinion..

    That within 5 years we will have 50 state reciprocity for CC. (yes CA and NY)

    And as my favorite Uncle Ted says...

    "The Second Amendment is my license to carry!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    That within 5 years we will have 50 state reciprocity for CC. (yes CA and NY)

    And as my favorite Uncle Ted says...

    "The Second Amendment is my license to carry!"
    How ya figure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    How ya figure?
    There are many lawsuits going on now that McDonald is decided, it is the natural course of the events...

    Taka a look at Gray's lawsuit in CO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    There are many lawsuits going on now that McDonald is decided, it is the natural course of the events...

    Taka a look at Gray's lawsuit in CO.

    Well I do hope you're right, just kinda hard for me to wrap my brain around the idea of legally being able to carry in Chicago or DC. I'm flying out to Buffalo in a few days and it's gonna drive me nuts being unarmed for more than a week
    It is very wise to not take a watermelon lightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poosharker View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    It's called incrementalism. It's worked wonderfully for those who take away our rights for the last few decades. It can work the other way as well. Yes, it's an infringement, but in the case of the places mentioned, it's less of an infringement than was present before, therefore, an improvement. Also the only realistic way there ever will be any improvement (barring national cataclysm). Like it or not, you're simply not going to wake up one day to a libertarian paradise where you can OC down Pennsylvania avenue with no gov't permission slip.
    According to the current SCOTUS, it is merely a "reasonable restriction". Don't expect it to go away any time soon. Permitted carry in 50 states is the first step, then onward from there.

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    Nowhere in the majority opinion is the term "reasonable restriction" used. McDonald v. Chicago. DO NOT FALL FOR THE ANTI'S USING THESE WORDS, IT IS NOT TRUE!

    The 3 areas that the majority covered as areas that could be restricted are: 1) felons and the mentally ill 2) sensitive places (government buildings and schools are specifically mentioned) 3) commercial sale of arms (pg 39-40 Alito writing for the majority)

    We made it clear in Heller that our holding did not cast doubt on such longstanding regulatorymeasures as "prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill," "laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms." Id., at ___–___ (slip op., at 54–55). We repeat those assurances here.



    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    According to the current SCOTUS, it is merely a "reasonable restriction". Don't expect it to go away any time soon. Permitted carry in 50 states is the first step, then onward from there.
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