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    Lightbulb Possible carjacking or worse

    Well I just got off work from the casino in lynden at 330 am last week thursday . I was stopped at a red light on badger and the guide and out of the corner of my eye I seen a young kid standing on the corner he approched my vehicle knocked on the window. I rolled window down about 4 inches so I could hear him. He asked if I was going to blaine, I said no the light turned green no traffic he backed up about afoot and pulled out alittle pocket knife and said let me in or i will stab you. passenger door locked driver door unlocked I gave a quick glance to my left to see if other people were in area nope all clear good for me. my heart started to race mind went so fast ok if he wants to stab me he cant get in unless he coms to drivers side. so I opened my arm rest where I had my glock 19 and he is swearing saying let him in or he will stab me so I pulled out my glock hit the window button down and aimed it right at him his eyes got so big he turned around and ran off. seems like this took forever but it only took about 30 seconds. I should have called the police but the look on his face when he seen it pointed at him I think he maybe learned not to just go up to anybody
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    So some poor guy was just trying to tell you your front tire was low and you pulled a gun on him?

    That's what he might tell the police. It's almost always a good idea to call the police and make a statement. If they get a good description from you they might be able to pick him up before he attacks someone who isn't armed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mainsail View Post
    So some poor guy was just trying to tell you your front tire was low and you pulled a gun on him?

    That's what he might tell the police. It's almost always a good idea to call the police and make a statement. If they get a good description from you they might be able to pick him up before he attacks someone who isn't armed.
    Never thought of that wow that was stupid of me

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    Quote Originally Posted by blowfish852252000 View Post
    so I pulled out my glock hit the window button down and aimed it right at him his eyes got so big he turned around and ran off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blowfish852252000 View Post
    passenger door locked driver door unlocked
    Little fail there. Always lock your doors after getting into your car. ALWAYS. If he had approached driver side and just swung your door open this story would be much much different...

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    Quote Originally Posted by blowfish852252000 View Post
    Well I just got off work from the casino in lynden at 330 am last week thursday . I was stopped at a red light on badger and the guide and out of the corner of my eye I seen a young kid standing on the corner he approched my vehicle knocked on the window. I rolled window down about 4 inches so I could hear him. He asked if I was going to blaine, I said no the light turned green no traffic he backed up about afoot and pulled out alittle pocket knife and said let me in or i will stab you. passenger door locked driver door unlocked I gave a quick glance to my left to see if other people were in area nope all clear good for me. my heart started to race mind went so fast ok if he wants to stab me he cant get in unless he coms to drivers side. so I opened my arm rest where I had my glock 19 and he is swearing saying let him in or he will stab me so I pulled out my glock hit the window button down and aimed it right at him his eyes got so big he turned around and ran off. seems like this took forever but it only took about 30 seconds. I should have called the police but the look on his face when he seen it pointed at him I think he maybe learned not to just go up to anybody
    It was 3:30am? You were stopped at a red light?

    Here's an idea... hit the gas and go through the red light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post
    It was 3:30am? You were stopped at a red light?

    Here's an idea... hit the gas and go through the red light.
    I think breaking the law to get away from a guy with a knife (running red light) as the better option.

    Not that you did anything illegal and the guy definately deserved it, and he will maybe think twice about his career in carjacking. Which is a plus.

    Another thing you could have done is told him to lay face down on the ground and hold him for the cops. Citizens arrest.

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    I think you need to witness a felony to make a citizens arrest.

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    Err...

    Quote Originally Posted by END_THE_FED View Post
    I think you need to witness a felony to make a citizens arrest.
    ...isn't threat of bodily harm with a weapon a felony? Or at least felony harassment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by END_THE_FED View Post
    I think you need to witness a felony to make a citizens arrest.
    Attempt to commit a felony - car theft

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post
    It was 3:30am? You were stopped at a red light?

    Here's an idea... hit the gas and go through the red light.
    ...right into the path of the speeding 30 ton garbage truck

    Perhaps not the best move when already under stress and possibly experiencing tunnel vision as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    ...right into the path of the speeding 30 ton garbage truck

    Perhaps not the best move when already under stress and possibly experiencing tunnel vision as well.
    Agreed. And citizen's arrest is applicable but would have meant endangering yourself. Any passerby will see a man holding a gun pointed at a young man on the ground. That passerby may be armed as well and would be justified in shooting you as the young man on the ground is in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death (sorry, Oregon terminology).

    Better not to attempt a citizen's arrest without witness' present throughout the whole ordeal (or just be in some type of uniform).

    My $.02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SargentMac View Post
    Agreed. And citizen's arrest is applicable but would have meant endangering yourself. Any passerby will see a man holding a gun pointed at a young man on the ground. That passerby may be armed as well and would be justified in shooting you as the young man on the ground is in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death (sorry, Oregon terminology).

    Better not to attempt a citizen's arrest without witness' present throughout the whole ordeal (or just be in some type of uniform).

    My $.02.
    Eh, I dunno about that... most muggers don't hold victims on the ground at gunpoint out where anyone can see. And if the guy has a gun in one hand, and a phone to his ear in the other, anyone who's smart enough to know they should be packing should also be smart enough to recognize what's going on. At least in theory...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Eh, I dunno about that... most muggers don't hold victims on the ground at gunpoint out where anyone can see. And if the guy has a gun in one hand, and a phone to his ear in the other, anyone who's smart enough to know they should be packing should also be smart enough to recognize what's going on. At least in theory...
    The key there is "should also be smart enough". We all know how quickly things can go bad when a MWAG is taken out of context. I believe that this situation, the best bet is make the guy run and then send the cops to chase him. They work for us after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SargentMac View Post
    The key there is "should also be smart enough". We all know how quickly things can go bad when a MWAG is taken out of context. I believe that this situation, the best bet is make the guy run and then send the cops to chase him. They work for us after all.

    Well honestly, I think the trickier part of that scenario is convincing the guy to stay on the ground while you put the car in park, open the door, get out, & walk around to the passenger side
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Well honestly, I think the trickier part of that scenario is convincing the guy to stay on the ground while you put the car in park, open the door, get out, & walk around to the passenger side
    Tricky = Dangerous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    ...right into the path of the speeding 30 ton garbage truck

    Perhaps not the best move when already under stress and possibly experiencing tunnel vision as well.
    It was 3:30 in the morning. The would-be carjacker had a knife. Garbage trucks have headlights. The chance of there being one is... well, practically nil. Just sayin...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tawnos View Post
    It was 3:30 in the morning. The would-be carjacker had a knife. Garbage trucks have headlights. The chance of there being one is... well, practically nil. Just sayin...
    One could say the chances of being carjacked in Bellingham at 3:30 in the morning are practically nil too . Garbage trucks, drunk drivers, and other smelly unpleasant things have been known to roam the streets in the wee small hours of the morning. Guy with a knife, locked out of the car, I'll go with the OP on this one. Now if the BG had a gun, then I might take my chances with the drunken garbage truck.
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    You could always put it in reverse and run the felon over... Just saying.... The gun might be the next item out of his pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Eh, I dunno about that... most muggers don't hold victims on the ground at gunpoint out where anyone can see. And if the guy has a gun in one hand, and a phone to his ear in the other, anyone who's smart enough to know they should be packing should also be smart enough to recognize what's going on. At least in theory...
    Only problem is there are alot of legally armed idiots who are just dying to be on the news as a vigilante. If someone were to pull up on the situation, they would not have any idea how long you have had the criminal subdued, so hopefully they would yell for you to drop it giving you a chance to explain the situation. Although that would be a very interesting thing to see, especially once the police showed up.
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    No other option?

    Please take this as my opinion and nothing more. My opinion comes from the training I have had, so bear with me. It is very easy for all of us to sit back and say what we would have done, but the fact is we weren't there and we really don't know what we would have done until we are faced with our own situtation.

    That said, I don't agree with you pulling your gun on the guy. You were safe in your vehicle, he was outside. I assume that by the time he was threatening you, you had locked the driver's side door. The very first thing I do when I get in my car and sit down is hit the door lock button and it stays locked until I get to my destination and get out, at which time I lock it again. So you are now safe in your car and he is outside threatening you with a knife. While he may be a threat, at this point, he is not a LETHAL threat and you are NOT in immient danger. He cannot access the inside of your vehicle unless you unlock the door or he breaks a window. You said there was no one else around. Why not check the cross traffic and if there is no one coming, lay on the horn to alert any traffic approaching and put the pedal to the metal! I was taught that when it comes to self defense, if you can possibly avoid a confrontation, do so, as there is no guanantee you will survive it. The more you can avoid a situation the better your chances for living a long and healthy life. I was taught that drawing your weapon is your LAST option, when other options have failed, not your first option, unless of course it has escalated to the point that drawing your gun is your only option. IMO, if you had shot the guy, it wouldn't have been a good shoot, not under those conditions. He may have threatened you, but he was not in a position to carry out that threat and that is what a judge and jury would look at.

    I think sometimes we become overly dependent on the gun and don't think what else we could do in the situation. I have read that this is something to be guarded against. Don't depend on your gun as your only defense; always see if there is another way. There may be a time when your gun IS the only defense option that is reasonable; I hope I never find myself in that postion. The fact that I carry means that I would use it under life threatening conditions but I hope that never happens, as I'm sure most of the people on here do also. Okay, enough. Just my .02 worth, take it or leave it.
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    Ruby I agree with what you have written here and is within the training that I have taken over many years.

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    Couple thoughts.

    1. That person was not a very good carjacker/mugger.
    2. As said before, could have just kept your hand on the horn and launched with burning rubber flying in his face and ride off into the darkness. (assuming that it was true there was no traffic around) I am almost 100% sure he wouldn't like attention.
    3. What you did, which might or might not have been justified, is going to make him rethink his actions.

    I say you should have reached over, opened the passenger door an inch, do a 90 degree spin to the right and seat kicked the door into his jewels.


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    (reaches inside waistband and pulls out KABAR and says " you call that puny little thing you have a KNIFE??!!!???!!!???!!!)


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    I often think of situations as if there were no Police force/LEA. Who makes the arrest? Who "takes the law into thier own hands". ( A saying I detest we are the law) I am not going to pass negative judgement on Blowfish actions whether or not it is something I agree with, it was within our legal boundaries both morally and literally.

    I can't judge what I would have done not having been there, but if I did feel the need to pull my weapon I would have made sure the perp was getting arrested.

    Sargant Mac wrote:
    Agreed. And citizen's arrest is applicable but would have meant endangering yourself. Any passerby will see a man holding a gun pointed at a young man on the ground. That passerby may be armed as well and would be justified in shooting you as the young man on the ground is in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death (sorry, Oregon terminology).

    Better not to attempt a citizen's arrest without witness' present throughout the whole ordeal (or just be in some type of uniform).

    Interesting points but made me think of two things:
    First I doubt the mugger would have mugged if there were witnesses.

    Second the danger of someone else shooting is a slight possiblity, and makes a good case for loudly and clearly announcing your intentions and why you are holding someone at gun point. I have also heard good reasons to loudly shout things like Put that knife down etc. So that if there are witnesses they can also tell LEO's/prosecutor/judge/jury they heard you yelling these things.

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