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Possible carjacking or worse

Ruby

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No other option?

Please take this as my opinion and nothing more. My opinion comes from the training I have had, so bear with me. It is very easy for all of us to sit back and say what we would have done, but the fact is we weren't there and we really don't know what we would have done until we are faced with our own situtation.

That said, I don't agree with you pulling your gun on the guy. You were safe in your vehicle, he was outside. I assume that by the time he was threatening you, you had locked the driver's side door. The very first thing I do when I get in my car and sit down is hit the door lock button and it stays locked until I get to my destination and get out, at which time I lock it again. So you are now safe in your car and he is outside threatening you with a knife. While he may be a threat, at this point, he is not a LETHAL threat and you are NOT in immient danger. He cannot access the inside of your vehicle unless you unlock the door or he breaks a window. You said there was no one else around. Why not check the cross traffic and if there is no one coming, lay on the horn to alert any traffic approaching and put the pedal to the metal! I was taught that when it comes to self defense, if you can possibly avoid a confrontation, do so, as there is no guanantee you will survive it. The more you can avoid a situation the better your chances for living a long and healthy life. I was taught that drawing your weapon is your LAST option, when other options have failed, not your first option, unless of course it has escalated to the point that drawing your gun is your only option. IMO, if you had shot the guy, it wouldn't have been a good shoot, not under those conditions. He may have threatened you, but he was not in a position to carry out that threat and that is what a judge and jury would look at.

I think sometimes we become overly dependent on the gun and don't think what else we could do in the situation. I have read that this is something to be guarded against. Don't depend on your gun as your only defense; always see if there is another way. There may be a time when your gun IS the only defense option that is reasonable; I hope I never find myself in that postion. The fact that I carry means that I would use it under life threatening conditions but I hope that never happens, as I'm sure most of the people on here do also. Okay, enough. Just my .02 worth, take it or leave it.
 

BigDave

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Ruby I agree with what you have written here and is within the training that I have taken over many years.

Our firearms is a tool of last resort, many times conflicts can be resolved with out it.
 

OrangeIsTrouble

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Couple thoughts.

1. That person was not a very good carjacker/mugger.
2. As said before, could have just kept your hand on the horn and launched with burning rubber flying in his face and ride off into the darkness. (assuming that it was true there was no traffic around) I am almost 100% sure he wouldn't like attention.
3. What you did, which might or might not have been justified, is going to make him rethink his actions.

I say you should have reached over, opened the passenger door an inch, do a 90 degree spin to the right and seat kicked the door into his jewels. :monkey
 

sudden valley gunner

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I often think of situations as if there were no Police force/LEA. Who makes the arrest? Who "takes the law into thier own hands". ( A saying I detest we are the law) I am not going to pass negative judgement on Blowfish actions whether or not it is something I agree with, it was within our legal boundaries both morally and literally.

I can't judge what I would have done not having been there, but if I did feel the need to pull my weapon I would have made sure the perp was getting arrested.

Sargant Mac wrote:
Agreed. And citizen's arrest is applicable but would have meant endangering yourself. Any passerby will see a man holding a gun pointed at a young man on the ground. That passerby may be armed as well and would be justified in shooting you as the young man on the ground is in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death (sorry, Oregon terminology).

Better not to attempt a citizen's arrest without witness' present throughout the whole ordeal (or just be in some type of uniform).

Interesting points but made me think of two things:
First I doubt the mugger would have mugged if there were witnesses.

Second the danger of someone else shooting is a slight possiblity, and makes a good case for loudly and clearly announcing your intentions and why you are holding someone at gun point. I have also heard good reasons to loudly shout things like Put that knife down etc. So that if there are witnesses they can also tell LEO's/prosecutor/judge/jury they heard you yelling these things.
 

ak56

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There are three things in this story that just don't add up for me.

1. An attempted carjacking in Lynden
2. A casino in Lynden
3. A traffic light on badger and the guide

I guess things have changed since I lived there.

Of course, that was 43 years ago, and I was 11 when we moved away.

Still get up there to visit relatives occasionally.
 

sudden valley gunner

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There are three things in this story that just don't add up for me.

1. An attempted carjacking in Lynden
2. A casino in Lynden
3. A traffic light on badger and the guide

I guess things have changed since I lived there.

Of course, that was 43 years ago, and I was 11 when we moved away.

Still get up there to visit relatives occasionally.

Yea a lot have changed in Ferndale and Lynden if you want stuff stolen leave it briefly for any amount of time there.
 

gogodawgs

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Attempted carjacking...

I was once in a similar situation...

At the exit to Tacoma Mall South off of I-5....
I was the 2nd car waiting at the light...
A homeless man came up to my car and started talking, the windows were rolled up and I ignored...hoping the light would turn as I was unable to drive forward or reverse to drive away...
He did not like me ignoring him so he began to bang on my window, I yelled for him to stop and he banged harder....
I grabbed my Keltec (car gun) and had it in my hand when the light changed....
He backed off at the same time I was able to drive away...
 

SargentMac

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I was once in a similar situation...

At the exit to Tacoma Mall South off of I-5....
I was the 2nd car waiting at the light...
A homeless man came up to my car and started talking, the windows were rolled up and I ignored...hoping the light would turn as I was unable to drive forward or reverse to drive away...
He did not like me ignoring him so he began to bang on my window, I yelled for him to stop and he banged harder....
I grabbed my Keltec (car gun) and had it in my hand when the light changed....
He backed off at the same time I was able to drive away...

Things like this are one of the reasons I prefer to carry in a thigh rig (can be seen from outside the car), but I seemed to get a different reception from people when I wear it. Carrying on the hip seems more accepted.
 

gogodawgs

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Things like this are one of the reasons I prefer to carry in a thigh rig (can be seen from outside the car), but I seemed to get a different reception from people when I wear it. Carrying on the hip seems more accepted.

Yes the hip blends in and there are no issues.
I have a car gun as well as what ever I am carrying. This incident is from a few years ago when I was a CCer. I had a gun under a shirt on my belt.

However, I have for the last 10+ years had a car gun in the center consul and wouldn't have it any other way.
 

SargentMac

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Yes the hip blends in and there are no issues.
I have a car gun as well as what ever I am carrying. This incident is from a few years ago when I was a CCer. I had a gun under a shirt on my belt.

However, I have for the last 10+ years had a car gun in the center consul and wouldn't have it any other way.

If my wife would let me get a few more, I'd be willing to keep a car gun. Right now I'd really like to get a .22 pistol or .22 AR. We're planning a move to Northern California soon (closer to her family), and I don't think I'd be comfortable keeping a car gun down there.
 

gogodawgs

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Keltec P32...

I have this...it is super lite, thin and can be carried anywhere...
on the other side is a knife clip so that it fits in your back pocket and looks like a pocket knife....
It is inexpensive ($249) and I consider it disposable... but is very reliable
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If my wife would let me get a few more, I'd be willing to keep a car gun. Right now I'd really like to get a .22 pistol or .22 AR. We're planning a move to Northern California soon (closer to her family), and I don't think I'd be comfortable keeping a car gun down there.
 
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Aaron1124

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Only problem is there are alot of legally armed idiots who are just dying to be on the news as a vigilante. If someone were to pull up on the situation, they would not have any idea how long you have had the criminal subdued, so hopefully they would yell for you to drop it giving you a chance to explain the situation. Although that would be a very interesting thing to see, especially once the police showed up.

I make citizens arrests all the time at work. One time a bystander didn't know I was store security, and he went and tried to fight me off of the shoplifter. Goes to show you should know what is going on before you launch yourself in the situation.
 

amzbrady

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I was once in a similar situation...

At the exit to Tacoma Mall South off of I-5....
I was the 2nd car waiting at the light...
A homeless man came up to my car and started talking, the windows were rolled up and I ignored...hoping the light would turn as

((((( I was unable to drive forward or reverse to drive away...)))))

He did not like me ignoring him so he began to bang on my window, I yelled for him to stop and he banged harder....
I grabbed my Keltec (car gun) and had it in my hand when the light changed....
He backed off at the same time I was able to drive away...

Do you now always leave yourself room to drive forward? If not you should, I always do and it saved us once in auburn, a I heard a squeal and saw the front end of a truck comming up fast on our tail, I was able to pull foward and over enough to keep him from hitting us, he was about 3 feet from the car we were behind when he stopped.
 
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gogodawgs

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Do you now always leave yourself room to drive forward? If not you should, I always do and it saved us once in auburn, a I heard a squeal and saw the front end of a truck comming up fast on our tail, I was able to pull foward and over enough to keep him from hitting us, he was about 3 feet from the car we were behind when he stopped.

I do, I like to see the bottom of the wheels infront of me...

However, I was talking with my wife at the time and that did not happen....

Therefore, homeless guy TOO close to my car and me...
 

killchain

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Things like this are one of the reasons I prefer to carry in a thigh rig (can be seen from outside the car), but I seemed to get a different reception from people when I wear it. Carrying on the hip seems more accepted.

I carry in a thigh rig. Lots of people wrinkle their noses at it.

I've had something similar happen to me in my pickup. I did the same thing the OP did. It's been about two years now; still waiting on that complaint. :p
 

blowfish852252000

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Please take this as my opinion and nothing more. My opinion comes from the training I have had, so bear with me. It is very easy for all of us to sit back and say what we would have done, but the fact is we weren't there and we really don't know what we would have done until we are faced with our own situtation.

That said, I don't agree with you pulling your gun on the guy. You were safe in your vehicle, he was outside. I assume that by the time he was threatening you, you had locked the driver's side door. The very first thing I do when I get in my car and sit down is hit the door lock button and it stays locked until I get to my destination and get out, at which time I lock it again. So you are now safe in your car and he is outside threatening you with a knife. While he may be a threat, at this point, he is not a LETHAL threat and you are NOT in immient danger. He cannot access the inside of your vehicle unless you unlock the door or he breaks a window. You said there was no one else around. Why not check the cross traffic and if there is no one coming, lay on the horn to alert any traffic approaching and put the pedal to the metal! I was taught that when it comes to self defense, if you can possibly avoid a confrontation, do so, as there is no guanantee you will survive it. The more you can avoid a situation the better your chances for living a long and healthy life. I was taught that drawing your weapon is your LAST option, when other options have failed, not your first option, unless of course it has escalated to the point that drawing your gun is your only option. IMO, if you had shot the guy, it wouldn't have been a good shoot, not under those conditions. He may have threatened you, but he was not in a position to carry out that threat and that is what a judge and jury would look at.

I think sometimes we become overly dependent on the gun and don't think what else we could do in the situation. I have read that this is something to be guarded against. Don't depend on your gun as your only defense; always see if there is another way. There may be a time when your gun IS the only defense option that is reasonable; I hope I never find myself in that postion. The fact that I carry means that I would use it under life threatening conditions but I hope that never happens, as I'm sure most of the people on here do also. Okay, enough. Just my .02 worth, take it or leave it.
Well I have keyless remote entry in my vehicle if i hit button driver door unlocks I just got off work 12 hour day was tired I know no excuse. a truck was going by thats why i had red light he was a young kid looked late teens early 20 he was wearing a white shirt looked normal I know I should have driven off laughing at him but I think I just wanted to teach him a lesson by dont quite your day job you might end up getting killed by somebody if they are armed and you get inside..
 

blowfish852252000

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There are three things in this story that just don't add up for me.

1. An attempted carjacking in Lynden
2. A casino in Lynden
3. A traffic light on badger and the guide

I guess things have changed since I lived there.

Of course, that was 43 years ago, and I was 11 when we moved away.

Still get up there to visit relatives occasionally.
the casino opened up in I guess 05 it is called north wood casino it on northwood and badger
 

blowfish852252000

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when He was standing there he seemed kinda out of it always looking to the west I did kinda notice a car about 100 feet away from us he looking at the vehicle. If I did do a citizens arrest and got out of the vehicle things possibly maybe could have been worse for me or them who knows. I am just glad I came home safe and he went home to change his panties.when he took off he ran towards that car
 
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