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    Handcuffed at Manito Park 7/24/10

    Today we had my wifeís baby shower at Manito park in Spokane I chose to OC. While everyone was setting up I was watching my son play at the playground. After about half an hour I saw a cop creep by so I knew I was going to be contacted. I called my mother over to watch my son because I didnít him to run off while I was talking to the cops. Sure enough he got out and motioned me over, he took cover half behind a tree. I said Iím guessing you are looking to talk to me and he said yes. He told me to put my hands on my head and sit on the bench that I was next to he came up from behind me and handcuffed me. He aggressively took me back to his car where I sat on the hood. He tried to lecture me about scaring people which is funny because I pointed out that the other 300 people at the park didnít seem to mind as they went about their business. He told me that he would have me escorted for trespassing in the park by park security because of the city ordinance that prohibits weapons at the park. I explained preemption and he said I was wrong he said that it states that the city can be more restrictive not less, I laughed. I would have pushed it but I really didnít want to miss my wifeís baby shower so I concealed it for the rest of the time and they let me on my way, I was not cited for anything. My mom saw the whole thing and she said she was absolutely appalled at the way they handled it and she hates guns. That wasnít the end though about an hour later the same cop came creeping by and about five minutes later two other cops stopped in the parking lot by the pavilion were checking me out which I feel it was harassment and I have about twenty people as witnesses who agree. I feel so low right now so violated. I will be filing a complaint with the department and meeting with my attorney to look options. What almost had me laughing the whole time was the fact we will be having an OC bbq in a week and a half with tons of people that will be OCing in the same spot. I will still be OCing for that event.

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    Am I being detained? Were you? Or were you just getting screwed with. I know it was your wifes baby shower...but....whatever.

    Go file a complaint, this could be a project for you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Poosharker View Post
    Am I being detained? Were you? Or were you just getting screwed with. I know it was your wifes baby shower...but....whatever.

    Go file a complaint, this could be a project for you.
    They said, "your are being detained."

    This is not the first issue I have had at this park. I will be taking this as far as I can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poosharker View Post
    Am I being detained? Were you? Or were you just getting screwed with. I know it was your wifes baby shower...but....whatever.

    Go file a complaint, this could be a project for you.

    Pretty sure that being handcuffed negates the need to ask if you are being detained.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j2l3 View Post
    Pretty sure that being handcuffed negates the need to ask if you are being detained.
    Maybe since he just seemed to willingly comply with it, the officer just went ahead with cuffing/detaining without having to worry about a valid reason and such. I'm just saying, that question might have made him stop for a second.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Poosharker View Post
    Maybe since he just seemed to willingly comply with it, the officer just went ahead with cuffing/detaining without having to worry about a valid reason and such. I'm just saying, that question might have made him stop for a second.
    What you think I said yeah go ahead and forget my civil liberties? How else are you suppose to act when a cop is detaining you. Should I run from the cops like a gangster in a cop’s episode? (I’m being overwhelmingly sarcastic). Come on man use a little common sense I was telling him the whole time that this was a violation of my rights but I figured I wouldn’t even have to mention that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bennie1986 View Post
    What you think I said yeah go ahead and forget my civil liberties? How else are you suppose to act when a cop is detaining you. Should I run from the cops like a gangster in a copís episode? (Iím being overwhelmingly sarcastic). Come on man use a little common sense I was telling him the whole time that this was a violation of my rights but I figured I wouldnít even have to mention that.
    bennie?

    Do you carry a voice recorder or video recorder? I know you have witnesses, but being family they are biased. Are there other witnesses to the event?

    Is there a 2A or 4A attorney over there that you can work with?

    Also, always verbally refuse a search or detainment but never physically resist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    bennie?

    Do you carry a voice recorder or video recorder? I know you have witnesses, but being family they are biased. Are there other witnesses to the event?

    Is there a 2A or 4A attorney over there that you can work with?

    Also, always verbally refuse a search or detainment but never physically resist.
    I dont carry a recorder, maybe I should start.

    I have worked with John Clark of Crary, Clark & Domanico Spokane, Wa, a criminal defense attorney that I have worked with in the past with a carry issue at the same park. I was referred to him by the NRA.

    I did voice my concern for my rights the entire time, I would never physically resist a cop.
    Last edited by bennie1986; 07-24-2010 at 10:49 PM.

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    Has anyone tried to resolve this issue be it through the City Attorney or City Council?
    This should be the first step in resolving this issue otherwise if you go looking for a fight well you will find one and the issue is to get the City to comply with State Law.

    Bennie you did the right thing at the park as no one was going to resolve anything at that level and as you can see, the Officer is ignorant of State Law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennie1986 View Post
    I dont carry a recorder, maybe I should start.

    I have worked with John Clark of Crary, Clark & Domanico Spokane, Wa, a criminal defense attorney that I have worked with in the past with a carry issue at the same park.

    I did voice my concern for my rights the entire time, I would never physically resist a cop.
    Get a recorder. Get ahold of the attorney.
    It seems that you need to follow through and stand up for your rights in this circumstance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Get a recorder. Get ahold of the attorney.
    It seems that you need to follow through and stand up for your rights in this circumstance.
    I contacted my attorney for an appointment right after being released. Again I will take this as far as I can.

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    Spokane needs an OC picnic at that park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Has anyone tried to resolve this issue be it through the City Attorney or City Council?
    This should be the first step in resolving this issue otherwise if you go looking for a fight well you will find one and the issue is to get the City to comply with State Law.

    Bennie you did the right thing at the park as no one was going to resolve anything at that level and as you can see, the Officer is ignorant of State Law.
    Fetch & BobR have talked to the City Attorney several times.

    Bennie you were detained unlawfully and once again you did a great job the way you handled the situatiion. Never resist a LEO unless your life is in danger. Its time to make this stop, the 4th will be a good start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Spokane needs an OC picnic at that park.
    We have one on 8/4/10 at the same location.
    Last edited by bennie1986; 07-24-2010 at 11:11 PM.

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    tHIS S..T HAS GOT TO STOP.i AM SO SICK OF THESE ARROGANT COPS MAKING UP THE LAWS AS THEY GO ALONG.oR NOT KNOWING.iF i COULD GET THERE i WOULD BE AT THAT PICNIC AND HAVE TV THERE AS WELL.tHIS IS BS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DEROS72 View Post
    tHIS S..T HAS GOT TO STOP.i AM SO SICK OF THESE ARROGANT COPS MAKING UP THE LAWS AS THEY GO ALONG.oR NOT KNOWING.iF i COULD GET THERE i WOULD BE AT THAT PICNIC AND HAVE TV THERE AS WELL.tHIS IS BS.
    Sorry Deros72, when you have CAPS LOCK on the shift key will make it lower case.
    Deros72 has a good idea, MEDIA!!
    Bring some pamphlets with you guys or even just 9.41.270 and 9.41.300 printed out.

    GOOD LUCK!!!
    Last edited by Just Us; 07-25-2010 at 12:41 AM. Reason: forgot a space between words

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orphan View Post
    Fetch & BobR have talked to the City Attorney several times.

    Bennie you were detained unlawfully and once again you did a great job the way you handled the situatiion. Never resist a LEO unless your life is in danger. Its time to make this stop, the 4th will be a good start.
    Quote Originally Posted by bennie1986 View Post
    We have one on 8/4/10 at the same location.
    Quote Originally Posted by DEROS72 View Post
    tHIS S..T HAS GOT TO STOP.i AM SO SICK OF THESE ARROGANT COPS MAKING UP THE LAWS AS THEY GO ALONG.oR NOT KNOWING.iF i COULD GET THERE i WOULD BE AT THAT PICNIC AND HAVE TV THERE AS WELL.tHIS IS BS.
    Good to hear reasonable attempts have been made to correct this and by the out come of the Silverdale picnic hopefully this will result in positive outcome as well.

    Hopefully someone will bring a video camera to video if or when Police decide to ignore State Law.

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    Did the officer remove your weapon? Run your ID?

    Please tell me you got the officers name!

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    Quote Originally Posted by massivedesign View Post
    Did the officer remove your weapon? Run your ID?

    Please tell me you got the officers name!
    Actually they never touched my weapon which shows me they were less worried about me using it than they were about showing me they were the boss!

    Yes they ran my ID and checked my CPL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennie1986 View Post
    Actually they never touched my weapon which shows me they were less worried about me using it than they were about showing me they were the boss!

    Yes they ran my ID and checked my CPL.
    Priceless lol they cuffed you but did not take your weapon

    This sounds like ROOKIE to me

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    I will contact the media on Monday to see if they are interested in covering the picnic.

    Its ironic that the very officials that are responsable for enforcing the law are not obaying the law especialy since it has been pointed out to them on several occasions. I dont know about everyone else but I expect law enforcement city attorneys etc to know the law just as they expect us to know the law.

    I would suggest that everyone bring video cameras and voice recorders and keep them running.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    Priceless lol they cuffed you but did not take your weapon

    This sounds like ROOKIE to me
    Actually no I will quote one of them as saying, "I have been on the force for 26 years and never have seen someone carry a gun like this". LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennie1986 View Post
    Actually no I will quote one of them as saying, "I have been on the force for 26 years and never have seen someone carry a gun like this". LOL!
    Oh and this it the same one the quoted me the state preemption law backwards. LOL!

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    Well, if he hasn't seen people climb a wall it still wouldn't make that illegal either....

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    If you are setting up a picnic on 08/04/2010 this is a Wednesday and you will not get a turn out you are looking for, you may reconsider and as for contacting the media I would not give a set date until you see what you have.

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