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Be careful now when copying full articles to the site... I guess?

Dreamer

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I thought EVERYONE in the 2A activist community knew about the Michael Bellesiles debacle. It was all over the news for months, and the "gun press" had a bunch of articles about it as well. Even the Washington Post (which is about as Pro-2A as Sarah Brady) was highly critical of Bellesiles when the REAL story came out. He was an embarrassment to the entire academic community, and the exposure of his fraudulent "research" made fools of Columbia University, the anti-2A press, Emory University, and numerous academic journals. It rocked the academic world, although it did not really change the way that the peer-review process really works in academic publishing, which is STILL driven (even after getting burned BADLY by Bellesile's fraud) more by academic politics, socio-political agendas, and catering to their Fascist Internationalist benefactors than doing REAL research based on facts...

Anyway, here are a bunch of links. I'm not making this stuff up folks. I'm a big fan of Cramer's work, and I've been following him for about 10 years...

Armed Citizen Website closing announcement:
http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/


Cramer's personal website:
http://www.claytoncramer.com/index.html


Articles about the Bellesiles debacle:
http://hnn.us/articles/1185.html

http://mtprof.msun.edu/Spr2004/denn.html

http://volokh.com/2010/05/12/michael-bellesiles-and-the-bogus-nra-conspiracy/

http://www.wmsa.net/bellesiles.htm


Cramer's Wiki entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Cramer
 
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TFred

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I thought EVERYONE in the 2A activist community knew about the Michael Bellesiles debacle. It was all over the news for months, and the "gun press" had a bunch of articles about it as well. Even the Washington Post (which is about as Pro-2A as Sarah Brady) was highly critical of Bellesiles when the REAL story came out. He was an embarrassment to the entire academic community, and the exposure of his fraudulent "research" made fools of Columbia University, the anti-2A press, Emory University, and numerous academic journals. It rocked the academic world, although it did not really change the way that the peer-review process really works in academic publishing, which is STILL driven (even after getting burned BADLY by Bellesile's fraud) more by academic politics, socio-political agendas, and catering to their Fascist Internationalist benefactors than doing REAL research based on facts...

Anyway, here are a bunch of links. I'm not making this stuff up folks. I'm a big fan of Cramer's work, and I've been following him for about 10 years...

Armed Citizen Website closing announcement:
http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/


Cramer's personal website:
http://www.claytoncramer.com/index.html


Articles about the Bellesiles debacle:
http://hnn.us/articles/1185.html

http://mtprof.msun.edu/Spr2004/denn.html

http://volokh.com/2010/05/12/michael-bellesiles-and-the-bogus-nra-conspiracy/

http://www.wmsa.net/bellesiles.htm


Cramer's Wiki entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Cramer
Thanks. Wow, I took a look on Amazon, the book is still for sale there, and the reviews are still lauding it as an authoritative work on the subject. Amazing! Now, the reader reviews are accurate, and pretty much describe it as toilet paper... I'm surprised Amazon has not retracted their review by now.

I've only been "back" in the 2A world for a couple years now. And there are always going to be newbies who haven't heard about this.

TFred
 

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We all need to be aware of this sort of thing...

As the Constitutionalist movement and the Pro-2A movement begins to realize that the Internet is the "new tar and feathers", and video cameras are the "new pitchforks and torches", the "system" is also ratcheting up their response to anyone who would dare question the status quo, or fight against it, and they have their own "new weapons"...

Judicial harassment against effective activism is the "new Witch Trials". When law-abiding citizens can be charged with a felony for recording in public, and websites can be taken down through "creative" over-reach of copyright law, it's not just because there are a few overzealous lawyers looking to make a quick buck--the COURTS are actively involved in suppressing effective activism.

Look at where the 1A is most aggressively under attack: CA, MD, NY, IL, DC. Is it also a coincidence that in those locations, the 2A has been pretty much eliminated?

Do the math, folks...

10 (Bill of Rights) - 1 - 2 - 4 - 5 (Amendments) = LESS than 0

And if we have less than 0 rights, we've got some SERIOUS issues...
 

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Look at where the 1A is most aggressively under attack: CA, MD, NY, IL, DC. Is it also a coincidence that in those locations, the 2A has been pretty much eliminated?
It is no accident that the list of "two party" recording states pretty much runs like a list of who's who among corrupt state and local governments.

TFred

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws#Two_party_notification_states

* California
* Connecticut
* Florida
* Illinois
* Maryland
* Massachusetts
* Michigan
* Montana
* Nevada
* New Hampshire
* Pennsylvania
* Washington
 

Dreamer

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It is no accident that the list of "two party" recording states pretty much runs like a list of who's who among corrupt state and local governments.

TFred

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telephone_recording_laws#Two_party_notification_states

* California
* Connecticut
* Florida
* Illinois
* Maryland
* Massachusetts
* Michigan
* Montana
* Nevada
* New Hampshire
* Pennsylvania
* Washington


Of course, the glaring example in that list is NH, which has "Constitutional Carry", and opens EVERY session of their State Government with a vote on whether or not they should stay in the Union... ;)
 
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RIGHT haven

that sure has a ring to it RIGHT ... haven now the time comes when they start to censor groups like ours and other forums. any way to make a dollar and throttle our communication level down. pretty soon the internet will be so you can only type a couple words then get it checked and approved before it can be posted.

sounds like we need to have an ultra private forum so we can communicate without having to spend money to give news to each other.
 

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I wonder if the lawsuit is really for the money or to shut up those who have different views.

Anyway, we should, as I have often posted, not quote entire articles. Quote a relevant passage or two and provide a link to the entire article.
 

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I don't know about the vote to stay in the Union, but I do know that it's Vermont that has non-licensed OC and CC, New Hampshire still has a shall-issue licensing system for CC.
 

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I don't know about the vote to stay in the Union, but I do know that it's Vermont that has non-licensed OC and CC, New Hampshire still has a shall-issue licensing system for CC.

Was ist das ?

The thread is on copyright and fair use application.

"RESPECT COPYRIGHT HOLDERS: We often share news stories with one another. Please remember that these stories are copyrighted material and only post a fair-use excerpt along with a link where the rest of the story may be read"
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules
 

Dreamer

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I don't know about the vote to stay in the Union, but I do know that it's Vermont that has non-licensed OC and CC, New Hampshire still has a shall-issue licensing system for CC.


You are correct. For some reason I always get them mixed up. NH is one of the "go-to" states for non-resident permits (like FL and UT), but they DO require a permit for CC. Vermont, OTOH, has "Constitutional Carry", but almost nobody recognizes their permits, and they DO NOT issue to non-residents...

My bad...
 

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Gun News Daily Shutting Down Certain Links due to Litigation

Sunday, 25 July 2010 04:28 | Author: GND Staff
http://www.gunnewsdaily.com/index.p...shutting-down-certain-links-due-to-litigation

-SNIP -

...The Armed Citizen, run by David Burnett and Clayton Cramer, has shut down its website activities as a result of a lawsuit filed by Righthaven LLC on behalf of the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

...No pre-litigation or cease and desist notices were sent to The Armed Citizen or, as we understand it, to most of the websites they are suing for copyright infringements, which is becoming a lengthy list. They simply file the lawsuit.

...(W)e certainly understand why they would want to protect their original work from copyright infringement. We respect copyright laws and fully support news organizations' right to pursue legal remedy when violated.

However, we do not condone step 1 of the process of filing a lawsuit without notification to the offending party or issuance of a cease and desist notice. Going directly to a lawsuit is extraordinary, over-the-top, and highly reactionary. It is no doubt a legal action with the end result being to shut down smaller websites, both on the left and right side of political viewpoints.

Due to the rather aggressive approach taken by the Righthaven LLC and its client, Las Vegas Review-Journal, we will no longer post links to LVRJ articles. There are those within the industry who fully believe that the mere act of posting a headline and a link to a copyrighted story should be illegal and enough cause for copyright infringement lawsuit.

Our action is multi-fold, blatantly partisan and an act of self-preservation for this site. We make no apologies for that.

1) It is a statement that their aggressive legal actions are inappropriate.
2) It's our way of reducing their readership further as punishment for their actions.
3) We are not sure how far Righthaven LLC and LVRJ will pursue copyright violations. Will they pursue sites such as Gun News Daily where the mere act of posting a LVJR headline with a link is enough cause to file a lawsuit? We're not interested in testing the law on that matter. We'll leave that to other organizations with much deeper pockets than ours.
 
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