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    Thumbs up A reply from Laurie Bisch (Clark County Sherriff candidate) re/Constitutional Carry

    I am friends with Laurie Bisch on facebook http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000043637574 and I asked her a question regarding "Constitutional Carry" and got a public response!!
    Here it is so far…
    Jeff Anderson:

    Hey Laurie, would you be a proponent of a similar law to AZ's regarding "Constitutional Carry"? A lot of 2nd Amendment advocates see the current CCW (and especially the Blue Card, Clark County Registration) as a clear infringement of 2nd Amendment rights! I would love to see our next Sheriff really support the 2nd Amendment! Too many people claim they support the 2nd Amendment but ignore the "Shall not be infringed" part!

    Laurie Bisch:

    Yes, Jeff I am a big supporter of our 2nd Amendment. I even have the endorsement of the NRA.

    Jeff Anderson:

    Awesome, that is GREAT NEWS!! For those that don't know, the three states of AK, VT and now AZ allow Open carry or Concealed carry of a handgun with NO PERMIT. It basically enables anyone who can legally own a handgun to be able to carry it without getting a CCW. This would do away with the current CCW program and get us back on a road to our true un-infringed 2nd Amendment right to "Keep an Bear arms"!
    It would be great if we could get Gillespie OUT in November! Pass this on to all your gun friendly friends and family in Nevada!!

    We as gun owners/carriers need Gillespie OUT... He is a firm supporter of the Clark county "Blue Card" gun registration system, from what I understand from talking to those that know him, he is against "Constitutional Carry" and, does not support but rather reluctantly tolerates Open Carry... He is NOT a good candidate for those of us who support and want our 2nd Amendment rights upheld! That is not even touching on the fact that his department has one of the higher rates of Officer Involved Shootings in major metropolitan areas that are similar in size and population.

    All in all we need a change and Laurie Bisch has really hit a few good notes with me on her support of 2nd Amendment issues!
    "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
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    Sounds good, but did she really answer the question? A little detail about what "I support the 2a." means to her would help. The NRA endorsement means almost nothing as they are still up in the air over rather or not to endorse Harry Reid.

    Does she favor dropping the blue card/registration reqirement? Is she for Constitutional carry? What, if any restrictions does she support? Would she use her influence to help change the SCA's positions on gun rights in Nv? Is she a gun owner herself?

    I agree that Gillespie needs to go, and she sounds good, but we need to know more details.

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    I'm happy to see that she supports the 2A, but that answer was very ambiguous, and I'm sure she meant it to be that way.

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    Her response is the typical canned version and therefore meaningless.
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    In a thread on this site a few months ago Laurie answered questions. She would do away with the blue card. She has even been to a couple of OC meets and a pizza joint. She is at all the gun shows and answers all questions you toss at her. I just hope she can overcome the good ol boy network.

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    It is funny to see how quickly people jump to dismiss her statements. So what do you propose? Keep Doug Gillespie in office?? Supporting the Blue Card registration garbage and running a department that is quick to shoot first ask questions later?? This is the same issue we are having with Harry Reid, we need him OUT at any cost!! Though the candidate running against him may not be the best of the best, it is all we got!

    I have clarified the question to Laurie (though I have talked to her in person at 2 different gun shows and she answered my questions face to face there.) I suggest you do the same, I believe she will be at the Cashman Center Las Vegas Gun Show in September. Will her opponent even show up? I highly doubt it.

    I will post her reply when I get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCJeffro View Post

    I will post her reply when I get it.
    Did you send her another email besides the one posted? That last message didn't really solicit a reply IMHO.

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    Also do not forget what Doug Gellispie said at the budget meeting, I have the recording and will provide on request so I will quote off memory. "there are times when a Katrina style gun confiscation is valid, because it protects citizens"
    While L. Bisch may not be my perfect candidate, in all appearances she is a long way from that. I would like more of a Joe Arpio approache, but sometimes things change slower, If we could get the Old Boy grip off the Sheriffs Dept. it is possible that better candidates would pop up and become interested.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCJeffro View Post
    It is funny to see how quickly people jump to dismiss her statements.
    "I support the Second Amendment" means NOTHING without an explanation of what you think the 2nd actually says.

    Get specifics. Ask any candidate the following questions:

    Do you support Constitutional Carry? Will you endorse an effort to bring it to Nevada?

    What do you believe are the appropriate limits on firearms ownership and possession?

    What have you done in times past to give us reason to believe that you are pro-gun-rights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack View Post
    Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil. There is no difference between a speck or a gallon of cyanide in your soup. Either way, you get the same result.
    Not true. You can survive a speck better than a gallon, and you may be able to dilute it more after it's been served to you.

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    I don't think the Cyanide analogy is fair. More like, get shot by a .22LR, or a 9MM? I know which one I would choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DVC View Post
    "I support the Second Amendment" means NOTHING without an explanation of what you think the 2nd actually says.

    Get specifics. Ask any candidate the following questions:

    Do you support Constitutional Carry? Will you endorse an effort to bring it to Nevada?

    What do you believe are the appropriate limits on firearms ownership and possession?

    What have you done in times past to give us reason to believe that you are pro-gun-rights?
    Maybe she means something like this?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCgCceg042w

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    Obama supports the 2A

    so does Harry Reid, Diane Feinstein and Sotomayor- Chuck Schumer and Lautenberg , mayor Bloomburg etc.

    Saying you support the 2A is like saying you like children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrsjhnsn View Post
    so does Harry Reid, Diane Feinstein and Sotomayor- Chuck Schumer and Lautenberg , mayor Bloomburg etc.

    Saying you support the 2A is like saying you like children.
    Mayor Daily supports the second amendment so long as your firearms are unloaded, disassembled, locked, never leave your home, require you to pay a usurious registration/tax/training fees and you keep your ammunition locked separately in your basement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCJeffro View Post
    I am friends with Laurie Bisch on facebook http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000043637574 and I asked her a question regarding "Constitutional Carry" and got a public response!!
    Here it is so far…

    It would be great if we could get Gillespie OUT in November! Pass this on to all your gun friendly friends and family in Nevada!!

    We as gun owners/carriers need Gillespie OUT... He is a firm supporter of the Clark county "Blue Card" gun registration system, from what I understand from talking to those that know him, he is against "Constitutional Carry" and, does not support but rather reluctantly tolerates Open Carry... He is NOT a good candidate for those of us who support and want our 2nd Amendment rights upheld! That is not even touching on the fact that his department has one of the higher rates of Officer Involved Shootings in major metropolitan areas that are similar in size and population.

    All in all we need a change and Laurie Bisch has really hit a few good notes with me on her support of 2nd Amendment issues!
    Good deal, keep up the fight, Nevada carriers ! Robin47

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack View Post
    I don't know where these "better candidates" are going to pop up from, here in our fine Masonic city of Las Vegas. I think the good ol' boys have won this town. Nothing life changing or affirming happening here in Las Vegas. It is finally becoming the Third World shithole they have always wanted it to be.

    Which is why I am working hard toward getting the hell out of here and moving over to God's Country and living in Arizona, the Land of the Free.
    Then while you are still here in NV, at least help vote Gillispie out by voting his opposition in. In this case, the "lesser of two evils" is still a step in the right direction; when by your own words, you aren't going to get a true "better candidate."
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrightme View Post
    Then while you are still here in NV, at least help vote Gillispie out by voting his opposition in. In this case, the "lesser of two evils" is still a step in the right direction; when by your own words, you aren't going to get a true "better candidate."
    Agreed.

    While we hate the thought of "lesser of two evils," sometimes it is simply a fact.

    And, I must say, from what (little) I know of Laurie Bisch, she has been a supporter of 2nd Amendment (and Nevada Constitution Article 1, Section 11) rights.

    In the past, she repeatedly said she would meet and discuss these issues. And she did. So, maybe you guys in the Vegas area should meet with her in person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack View Post
    Like I said, my candidate will check out 100% in all areas or not one of them will get my vote. I do not vote for the lesser of two evils in any case.

    Don't look now, but all this compromising is precisely what got us into the trouble we're in right now.

    Doing more of what doesn't work still doesn't work.
    No-Compromise is no-progress. Are you stating that you do not vote unless a candidate is 100% of what you want? Throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

    Your method is self-defeating, and you successfully recuse yourself from any hope for betterment. Should Gillispie get re-elected, don't bitch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack View Post
    Like I said, my candidate will check out 100% in all areas or not one of them will get my vote. I do not vote for the lesser of two evils in any case.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack View Post
    No, I am not stating that. I am however stating that a candidate will satisfy my curiosity completely before he gets my vote. Period.
    So you misspoke then? It sure read as if a candidate was not 100% what you wanted, you wouldn't even vote. Another miscommunication?

    When you state "do not vote for the lesser of two evils in any case," you HAVE recused yourself from the process. Granted the 'lesser of two evils' is not what we desire, but it IS 'better than status quo.'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack View Post
    And, don't look now, but the baby and the bath water were thrown out the window long ago. You can't fix Las Vegas. You can't fix the country either. It's a little late for all of that. From here on out, we are on a downhill slide all the way to the bitter end. Goodbye, America, it has been nice knowing you.
    It CAN be fixed. But it will not likely happen in my lifetime. I am working to do what I can though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack
    I didn't bitch when Gillespie got elected and I won't bitch if he gets elected again. Not my problem. I didn't elect him nor would I. Nor will I cheer if the Gillespie skank is replaced with the "lesser of the evil" skank. They're all skank and none of them have any business in that office.
    Then you are part of the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack
    No compromise is no progress. Well said. What part of; "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed" needs to progress?
    Taking it back as it was intended, not as it is currently shown.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack
    I understand it perfectly. No progress necessary.
    Yes, progress is necessary, to revert years of regress.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack
    Your politicians may have successfully confused you into thinking that no one knows what that amendment really means -- but they were not so successful with me.
    They were not 'successful' with me either; otherwise I would not be a member of a gun club, post on OCDO, volunteer as a lobbyist for that gun club, research laws and court cases....
    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack
    I know what it means and no, it does not need to "progress". In fact it was written so that it would not, could not "progress". It was "progress" that got us into the trouble we are in in the first place. No "progress" necessary. And when Americans finally wake up one fine day and realize that compromising like knaves and settling for the lesser of the evil instead of doing what is right is what got us into the mess we are now in -- I daresay the world will be a much better and freer place than it is now when that day comes. But I wouldn't count on it if I were you.
    It does need to progress back to what it should have been all the time, and which has been whittled away. IMHO, it IS getting back there, albeit slowly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack
    If anyone around here has a self-defeating method -- it's you.
    Frankly, until I mentioned what I do in this post, you really have no idea what my "method" is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack
    The Bill of Rights was written to keep "progress" from happening to us -- again.
    "progress" isn't just what has already been.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack
    I hope that you will join me in stopping any and all "progress" when it comes to government.
    I hope you will join me in keeping "progress" going in the correct direction, rather than the historical direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack View Post
    Nope. It's the same as the status quo. Evil.
    So to you, it is either black, or white? No shades of gray? Go run as an opposing candidate then.

    It is most likely to be re-won the same way it was lost. With small changes in the direction WE want.
    Last edited by wrightme; 08-02-2010 at 03:51 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack View Post
    Like I said, my candidate will check out 100% in all areas or not one of them will get my vote. I do not vote for the lesser of two evils in any case.

    Don't look now, but all this compromising is precisely what got us into the trouble we're in right now.

    Doing more of what doesn't work still doesn't work.
    If you aren't willing to become part of the solution you become part of the problem... It is no different than the Reid vs Angle election, if you don't vote for Angle then you in essence help Reid... Same with this election if you don't vote for Bisch, you might as well vote for Gillespie because you are not helping AT ALL to make any changes in the current problematic Govt...

    Arguing this with you and your defeatist attitude is pointless so I will no longer engage in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack View Post
    Your the one with the defeatist attitude. Your plan can't work--and you don't even seem to know it.

    If Bisch is just as bad as Gillespie and vice-versa, how to you figure it's going to do any good to get Gillespie out and get her in?
    Where is that a known? If she IS just as bad, then she isn't "the lesser of two evils," is she.
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    Your argument makes literally no sense.
    No, it is your black/white interpretation that makes literally no sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack
    They're both the same, i.e., evil, yet vote for one evil to get the other evil out? What the hell?
    Based upon what? In what way are they 'both the same?'

    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack
    That's like saying, I don't want Thing I running wild in my living room -- but Thing II will be just fine.
    Not at all. They were literally the same; not lesser or greater, but the same. Poor example.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack
    Might just as well leave things the way they are. Save the gas money it will cost to get down to the voting booth.
    So is it your contention that Bisch is the same as the incumbent? What do you base that upon?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack View Post
    Correct. Black or white and no shades of gray.

    No thanks on running for sheriff. Not my style.

    No chance of re-winning. Americans have snoozed, and so they lose. Too little too late. Nothing has gone or is going to go in the direction YOU want. That's my prediction anyway.
    I for one am doing what I can to prove you wrong. Too bad you are seemingly unwilling to do such also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudjack View Post
    I'd ask Laurie Bisch for more clarification. Her words were a little disturbing. Being endorsed by the NRA should have given most people the first clue and made their inner alarm signals sound off. I know they did mine. COMMENT REMOVED BY MODERATOR: Bashing other gun rights groups

    I know next to nothing about Laurie Bisch other than having read a few slogans and heard a couple of speeches; I can't see anything in her rhetoric whatsoever that indicates she is pro 2A or pro-Constitution.
    Yet now you set her equal to Gillispie as evil.....
    Last edited by wrightme; 08-02-2010 at 04:28 PM.
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