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Why are you carrying that firearm?

eye95

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Just a real simple, "For personal protection."

That is the best answer possible. If they are still curious, hand them a card with OCDO's URL on it (or the URL of your State's OC site).

We should be courteous and matter-of-fact about it. OC needs to be routine, no big deal. Remember, someone else is listening when you interact with even the rudest of people asking about your sidearm. Be the better person.
 

SouthernBoy

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[This post is not an answer to any particular post in this thread.]

What is your motivation?

Are you trying to get a laugh?

Are you trying to feel superior to the person who asked you the question?

Are you trying to make the person who asked feel stupid?

Are you trying to get a rah-rah from fellow OCers?

Or...

Are you trying to help others learn?

Are you trying to change the heart and mind of the person who asked?

Are you trying to change the hearts and minds of those who were listening, were also curious, but were afraid to ask.

I implore you to choose your response based on the last three motivations. Keeping those reasons in mind will help us interact with the non-OCing public in such a way as to promote the widespread acceptance of OC, to remove some of the barriers, and to increase the ranks of OCers.

That is a far superior outcome than feeling smug, having cemented the anti-gun attitude of the person asking, and having planted an anti-OCer attitude in the hearts and minds of those around you who overheard your smart-ass answer.

I wholeheartedly and completely support and agree with the attitude and behavior listed and described after the "Or...". While I understand that there are those who will try to push our buttons in hopes of getting an emotion charged response to prove their pretense that we are on the precipice or turning violent, try your best NOT to give them their sought-after pleasure. Feeding the anti's will never work to our advantage.
 

SouthernBoy

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Last week, a lady who sees me every week at a local grocery store (she is a checkout person) asked my, "what is that hanging on your hip?". I said, "insurance" as both she and the lady she was serving looked at my little friend. Now this checkout lady is VERY pro-Constitution in the original intent sense (like me) and we then proceeded to have a nice little conversation about her buying a handgun for protection (she is 70).

I admit to having answered with little comical responses, but only when the question is delivered comically and in good humor (as was the checkout lady's question). But when asked in a more serious vain, I respond in kind. And the one time I had a heated verbal assault from a customer in a McDonald's, I remained calm, though my buddy didn't - he really got in the guy's face for being such an ass. I was trying to calm them both down.

Being nasty, copping an attitude, or just being an ass to people is NOT going to help the rest of us or rest positively in other people's minds. Begin civil, respectful, and pleasant, even in the face of adversity to OC'ing will be noted by other's who may happen to see the confrontation. This what happened in my case mentioned above (even our mayor saw part of it and came over afterwards to see what it was all about).

Be decent and if the verbal attack continues, just walk away leaving them to stew in their own juices.
 

Iopencarry

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SouthernBoy,

Good post. Good attitude.

No mater who started the "heated debate", the OC'er will always be deamed the aggressor. We are all in a fight for respect. So if we keep our self-respect, and act like the legal level headed people we want them to think we are, we will win.
 

Haz.

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I come from a land downunder.
quote] "the encounter happened in the Mens room and the daughter was plenty old enough to take care of business on her own which means to me that he was afraid to let her go alone into the Ladies room. You know, they say hindsight is 20/20.................... "[/quote].

Quick reply, "Why did you bring a girl into the mens room?" I'm as worried about my self preservation as you are about your daughters. Besides, its legal, what your doing is not.
 
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Undertaker

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For the same reason it's smart to wear a helment when riding a motorcycle. You hope you never have to use it, but if you do, it's premium personal protection.
 

floyd patriot

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"Since the county cut the Sheriff's budget and there's only two deputies on duty, I know nobody's going to be here to protect me."

I live in Floyd, Va., a very rural and sparsely populated county. The town is a one lighter with a population of about 500. The county recently cut the Sheriff's budget and there's virtually no law. The sheriff told me that 70% of the white male population of this county carries, mostly concealed.
Crime is on the rise, but slowly albeit. Most crimes are against isolated targets where the perp knows that the time it takes the deputies to get there is at least a half hour. We're not far from the conditions of the late 1800's.
 

OCinColorado

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I carry because I choose to take responsibility for the safety of myself, my family and those around me who choose not to be responsible for themselves. Because I cherish life and those who make life worth living. Because I choose to be prepared.
 

SlackwareRobert

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For the same reason it's smart to wear a helment when riding a motorcycle. You hope you never have to use it, but if you do, it's premium personal protection.

Not a bad analogy, I wear a helmet to stop the bugs from getting to my stomach, I wear the gun to stop the bg from getting to my wallet. That both items also make the bad leo have fits is just a plus in my book.

Do you find it funny in Maryland they don't require you to wear a helmet, but do require you to be unarmed. They have it half right.
 

since9

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Three nights ago, I was about half an hour into a conversation with with the gas/convenience-store clerk who has, over the last six months, become a friend. He loves it when I show up at midnight and walk past the 16 to 25 crowd of dozens usually hanging around the store, and says he's noticed two things happen. The first is that most don't notice I'm carrying at all, but of the ones that do, they quickly start talking about it, though the conversation returns rapidly to whatever they were talking about before.

The point is, they do notice, and I've no doubt that word has gotten out amoung that crowd that the store is "patrolled," and that's not a bad thing at all. If just three OCers visited each convenience store in town randomly throughout the night, I'm sure the armed robbery rate would be cut in half.

Any, so he and I are in the middle of our conversation when a couple of his friends walk in. They're obviously hammered, but not to the point of stumbling. I take a step back from the counter as they approach it with their goods, and they start talking to our mutual friend, when one of them spots my firearm and says, "Woah! Do you have a license for that thing?"

Me: [chuckling] "Not required in the state of Colorado."

Him: [incredulous] "Really? You don't need a concealed weapons permit or something?"

Me: "Only if it's concealed."

Him: "Oh, yeah. I suppose if I can see it then it's not concealed, huh?"

Me: "You are correct."

Him: "You mean I could carry a gun like that if I wanted to?"

Me: "Well, you do have to be sober, as it's illegal to carry while under the influence."

Him: "Dang! What about if you wanted to conceal it?"

Me: "Then you would need a concealed handgun permit, and the restriction about being sober still applies."

Him: "Ok, well I think I'm sobering up pretty fast! Thanks for the information."

The point of my sharing the above is that if I'd given any sort of snide or smug remark other than simply answering his questions in a straightforward manner, this could have gone down much differently. While I may like responding to "why are you carrying a gun" with "because I can't carry a cop," the more I think about it the less I think that its an appropriate response, as it indicates some degree of flippancy on the part of someone who is (gulp) carrying deadly weapon.

When we're out there among the general public, we are ambassadors of our cause. We are the face of those who care enough about ourselves and others to exercise our 2A rights in response to the threats against us. But that's not how many people see us. Instead, they see "gun nut." Therefore, it is important to ensure we don't reinforce that with comments which, though they may be funny to those of us on this side of the fence, simply reinforce the "gun nut" perception of those on the other side.

Instead, let's put our best foot foward and help others realize we're human beings the same as they are, with our own families, hopes and dreams.

I like the comment about "for personal protection" being a good response. I think it's a great response, as it's neither confrontational, flippant, glib, or snide. In fact, it conveys the fact that I care enough about personal protection to take the next step and shoulder the responsibility of doing so.

It may also open the door to further discussion along the lines of "isn't that what the police are for?" to which we can explain that while "to serve and protect" is their motto, their response times range between two and twenty minutes, while the need for personal protection is usually over between two and twenty seconds, often with less than desirable results if we're not ready to protect ourselves and our loved ones.

Ambassadors. I like the sound of that word. :)
 

25sierraman

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Three nights ago, I was about half an hour into a conversation with with the gas/convenience-store clerk who has, over the last six months, become a friend. He loves it when I show up at midnight and walk past the 16 to 25 crowd of dozens usually hanging around the store, and says he's noticed two things happen. The first is that most don't notice I'm carrying at all, but of the ones that do, they quickly start talking about it, though the conversation returns rapidly to whatever they were talking about before.

The point is, they do notice, and I've no doubt that word has gotten out amoung that crowd that the store is "patrolled," and that's not a bad thing at all. If just three OCers visited each convenience store in town randomly throughout the night, I'm sure the armed robbery rate would be cut in half.

Any, so he and I are in the middle of our conversation when a couple of his friends walk in. They're obviously hammered, but not to the point of stumbling. I take a step back from the counter as they approach it with their goods, and they start talking to our mutual friend, when one of them spots my firearm and says, "Woah! Do you have a license for that thing?"

Me: [chuckling] "Not required in the state of Colorado."

Him: [incredulous] "Really? You don't need a concealed weapons permit or something?"

Me: "Only if it's concealed."

Him: "Oh, yeah. I suppose if I can see it then it's not concealed, huh?"

Me: "You are correct."

Him: "You mean I could carry a gun like that if I wanted to?"

Me: "Well, you do have to be sober, as it's illegal to carry while under the influence."

Him: "Dang! What about if you wanted to conceal it?"

Me: "Then you would need a concealed handgun permit, and the restriction about being sober still applies."

Him: "Ok, well I think I'm sobering up pretty fast! Thanks for the information."

The point of my sharing the above is that if I'd given any sort of snide or smug remark other than simply answering his questions in a straightforward manner, this could have gone down much differently. While I may like responding to "why are you carrying a gun" with "because I can't carry a cop," the more I think about it the less I think that its an appropriate response, as it indicates some degree of flippancy on the part of someone who is (gulp) carrying deadly weapon.

When we're out there among the general public, we are ambassadors of our cause. We are the face of those who care enough about ourselves and others to exercise our 2A rights in response to the threats against us. But that's not how many people see us. Instead, they see "gun nut." Therefore, it is important to ensure we don't reinforce that with comments which, though they may be funny to those of us on this side of the fence, simply reinforce the "gun nut" perception of those on the other side.

Instead, let's put our best foot foward and help others realize we're human beings the same as they are, with our own families, hopes and dreams.

I like the comment about "for personal protection" being a good response. I think it's a great response, as it's neither confrontational, flippant, glib, or snide. In fact, it conveys the fact that I care enough about personal protection to take the next step and shoulder the responsibility of doing so.

It may also open the door to further discussion along the lines of "isn't that what the police are for?" to which we can explain that while "to serve and protect" is their motto, their response times range between two and twenty minutes, while the need for personal protection is usually over between two and twenty seconds, often with less than desirable results if we're not ready to protect ourselves and our loved ones.

Ambassadors. I like the sound of that word. :)

I think you put that very well with how we should represent our cause. I encountered a Kalifornian the other day here in Alexandria. He was an employee at the Kingstowne Chipotle and he was just completely awe struck at the sight of a pistol on my hip. He stopped me and asked if what i was doing was legal. I tried to not laugh at the dumbfounded look on his face and i simply replied yes and began to explain to him the legality of open carry. This eventually turned into a 30 minute long, and very hungry, conversation but in the end I think i may have Converted a californian socialist republic citizen. A little bit of respect can go a long way so long as its mutual haha. If i get any sort of attitude then i can always throw the "because cops are heavy" remark and just go about my business. Thankfully i still have yet to have a very negative encounter.
 

SouthernBoy

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Three nights ago, I was about half an hour into a conversation with with the gas/convenience-store clerk who has, over the last six months, become a friend. He loves it when I show up at midnight and walk past the 16 to 25 crowd of dozens usually hanging around the store, and says he's noticed two things happen. The first is that most don't notice I'm carrying at all, but of the ones that do, they quickly start talking about it, though the conversation returns rapidly to whatever they were talking about before.

The point is, they do notice, and I've no doubt that word has gotten out amoung that crowd that the store is "patrolled," and that's not a bad thing at all. If just three OCers visited each convenience store in town randomly throughout the night, I'm sure the armed robbery rate would be cut in half.

Any, so he and I are in the middle of our conversation when a couple of his friends walk in. They're obviously hammered, but not to the point of stumbling. I take a step back from the counter as they approach it with their goods, and they start talking to our mutual friend, when one of them spots my firearm and says, "Woah! Do you have a license for that thing?"

Me: [chuckling] "Not required in the state of Colorado."

Him: [incredulous] "Really? You don't need a concealed weapons permit or something?"

Me: "Only if it's concealed."

Him: "Oh, yeah. I suppose if I can see it then it's not concealed, huh?"

Me: "You are correct."

Him: "You mean I could carry a gun like that if I wanted to?"

Me: "Well, you do have to be sober, as it's illegal to carry while under the influence."

Him: "Dang! What about if you wanted to conceal it?"

Me: "Then you would need a concealed handgun permit, and the restriction about being sober still applies."

Him: "Ok, well I think I'm sobering up pretty fast! Thanks for the information."

The point of my sharing the above is that if I'd given any sort of snide or smug remark other than simply answering his questions in a straightforward manner, this could have gone down much differently. While I may like responding to "why are you carrying a gun" with "because I can't carry a cop," the more I think about it the less I think that its an appropriate response, as it indicates some degree of flippancy on the part of someone who is (gulp) carrying deadly weapon.

When we're out there among the general public, we are ambassadors of our cause. We are the face of those who care enough about ourselves and others to exercise our 2A rights in response to the threats against us. But that's not how many people see us. Instead, they see "gun nut." Therefore, it is important to ensure we don't reinforce that with comments which, though they may be funny to those of us on this side of the fence, simply reinforce the "gun nut" perception of those on the other side.

Instead, let's put our best foot foward and help others realize we're human beings the same as they are, with our own families, hopes and dreams.

I like the comment about "for personal protection" being a good response. I think it's a great response, as it's neither confrontational, flippant, glib, or snide. In fact, it conveys the fact that I care enough about personal protection to take the next step and shoulder the responsibility of doing so.

It may also open the door to further discussion along the lines of "isn't that what the police are for?" to which we can explain that while "to serve and protect" is their motto, their response times range between two and twenty minutes, while the need for personal protection is usually over between two and twenty seconds, often with less than desirable results if we're not ready to protect ourselves and our loved ones.

Ambassadors. I like the sound of that word. :)

I have also written numerous times about how we are all ambassadors, or emissaries if you wish, for our cause (actually the Second Amendment's cause, really). You handled your little encounter admirably and your comments are not only noteworthy, but dead on.

Good job!
 

dukenukum

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Because, it is my right to do, as to this gun in particular it is a tool I am proficient with. By the way do you wish to learn or are you trying to deprive me of liberty?
 

MamaLiberty

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I like the comment about "for personal protection" being a good response. I think it's a great response, as it's neither confrontational, flippant, glib, or snide. In fact, it conveys the fact that I care enough about personal protection to take the next step and shoulder the responsibility of doing so.

It may also open the door to further discussion along the lines of "isn't that what the police are for?" to which we can explain that while "to serve and protect" is their motto, their response times range between two and twenty minutes,

My response is always some form of: "I own my life and body, and I am the only person who is responsible for it."

I've had a lot of excellent reaction to this. I've even printed my reasons for carrying on a card and have handed out hundreds of them.

As for the question about the police, it is important to remind people that the police have no legal obligation to come to your aid or defend you as an individual - even if they get there in time. Far too many people don't know this, and far too many simply deny it.
 
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