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U.N. threatens Second and First Amendments. One-worlders are going after your guns.

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/23/un-threatens-second-and-first-amendments/

THE WASHINGTON TIMES said:
A lot of baloney is floating in Turtle Bay. Gun registration is being promoted despite evidence that the costly bureaucratic system has been a complete failure in solving any crimes or stopping criminals from getting access to guns everywhere it's been tried. "None of these treaties have a relationship to reality," Mr. Bromund explains. "Terrorists are still going to have access to guns because governments give them guns, and they are still going to be able to give them guns." As an example, he pointed out, "The FARC fighting in Colombia get their guns from Venezuela."

Administrator, before posting this article excerpt I searched for a unique keyword to ensure that the post was not a duplication. Unless titles/headlines are left intact and descriptive, that's the only way. I predict that we'll see this URL appear in many state forums.
 
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Yes, they are...

The Globalists are indeed coming after the guns. They have tried so long and hard in America to get them out of our hands without success, they needed to find another way to do it. Gradualism, incrementalism is the way to global domination, so our elite masters have discovered. The steady stream of Mestizo invaders, illegal drugs, random violence, the destruction of the currency and the ecomony, the endless ball games, beer and lousy television programming, the lousy food loaded with dangerous chemicals and the perpetual state of war have all served them well and have brought America literally to her begging knees and revealed her true colors. But getting the guns out of the hands of the American people has proved to be an impossible task. So... now they will try a new way of doing it: by signing international treaties with other nations and coming to take all the guns through the back door instead of the front. Hillary Clinton has already signed the Small Arms Treaty with the United Nations. There are a lot of arguments as to what that actually means, but make no mistake about it, it is the guns they're after and it is the guns they are going to get. The gloves are off, kids. Better get ready, 'cos here they come.

Here is one of the main culprits leading the way in the global disarmament effort. Meet Barabara Frey, a globalist whore straight from hell, helping the United Nations to get a better grip on us. http://igs.cla.umn.edu/faculty/profile.php?UID=freyx001

Just a couple of tidbits worth keeping an eye on.
 

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The Globalists are indeed coming after the guns. They have tried so long and hard in America to get them out of our hands without success, they needed to find another way to do it. Gradualism, incrementalism is the way to global domination, so our elite masters have discovered. The steady stream of Mestizo invaders, illegal drugs, random violence, the destruction of the currency and the ecomony, the endless ball games, beer and lousy television programming, the lousy food loaded with dangerous chemicals and the perpetual state of war have all served them well and have brought America literally to her begging knees and revealed her true colors. But getting the guns out of the hands of the American people has proved to be an impossible task. So... now they will try a new way of doing it: by signing international treaties with other nations and coming to take all the guns through the back door instead of the front. Hillary Clinton has already signed the Small Arms Treaty with the United Nations. There are a lot of arguments as to what that actually means, but make no mistake about it, it is the guns they're after and it is the guns they are going to get. The gloves are off, kids. Better get ready, 'cos here they come.

Here is one of the main culprits leading the way in the global disarmament effort. Meet Barabara Frey, a globalist whore straight from hell, helping the United Nations to get a better grip on us. http://igs.cla.umn.edu/faculty/profile.php?UID=freyx001

Just a couple of tidbits worth keeping an eye on.

So Hillary Clinton and her cronys are responsible for "endless ball games, beer and lousy television programming?"

Well, two out of three ain't bad . . .
 

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What your seeing is TREASON at the highest levels of the Federal Corporation.
Treaties must be signed pursuant to the Constitution if not they are void.
The Government of the United States of America was never given the Authority
to violate the Constitution, Usurpation gives no authority.
The amazing thing is people still vote and support these idiots, who should be
prosecuted for Treason and shot.
 

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So true, o' wise and eloquent speaker! Hear! Hear!

And also says Article VI of the Constitution that no law can ever be above it.

Ya gotta love those Founding Fathers. Had they not drawn up that fine document, yes, even in spite of it's errors, we would have been toast long ago.
 

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I live in California. For the most part, to carry a handgun in CA, it must be registered (I know, there are exceptions, but for a newbie, going out to buy their first handgun to carry - it's likely to be required to be registered).

Disclaimers aside, what if this "registration" list is made public and made available to other nations? If it isn't already, it likely will be. So, if many nations sign this treaty and/or otherwise make ownership of a firearm a crime, can they arrest you if you visit their country (with or without your firearm) based simply on their knowledge of your firearm ownership? It wouldn't surprise me that some nations might try this as a way to deter firearms ownership by those U.S. citizens who like to travel.

Just askin'.
 

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The Globalists are indeed coming after the guns. They have tried so long and hard in America to get them out of our hands without success, they needed to find another way to do it. Gradualism, incrementalism is the way to global domination, so our elite masters have discovered. The steady stream of Mestizo invaders, illegal drugs, random violence, the destruction of the currency and the ecomony, the endless ball games, beer and lousy television programming, the lousy food loaded with dangerous chemicals and the perpetual state of war have all served them well and have brought America literally to her begging knees and revealed her true colors. But getting the guns out of the hands of the American people has proved to be an impossible task. So... now they will try a new way of doing it: by signing international treaties with other nations and coming to take all the guns through the back door instead of the front. Hillary Clinton has already signed the Small Arms Treaty with the United Nations. There are a lot of arguments as to what that actually means, but make no mistake about it, it is the guns they're after and it is the guns they are going to get. The gloves are off, kids. Better get ready, 'cos here they come.

Here is one of the main culprits leading the way in the global disarmament effort. Meet Barabara Frey, a globalist whore straight from hell, helping the United Nations to get a better grip on us. http://igs.cla.umn.edu/faculty/profile.php?UID=freyx001

Just a couple of tidbits worth keeping an eye on.

The treaty hasn't been drafted yet, so Hitlary could not have signed it. Though we know she will. They have been incrementally trying to take our guns, but we have pushed them back, and we can incrementally get our rights fully restored if we don't fall prey to hysterical fears. This treaty is an attempt to gain ground for sure, they've lost a lot in the past several years. I noticed the statement;

"It took herculean efforts by George W. Bush's administration to thwart this U.N. power grab a few years ago."

One of the biggest reasons we're now subjected to the insane governance of leftist sociopaths, is because of the constant brow beating, second guessing and just plain slander of GWB. People wanted what they percieved to be the opposite of GWB. Well you've lost your hope, now here's your change, thank you.

The biggest complaint people have is the war. I can't understatnd how going overseas, and setting up camp in the front yards of the same flea bitten bearded perverts who have created a cult (Wahabism) with millions of followers and have vowed the destruction of western civilization could possibly be a bad thing. Unless you're going to then elect leadership that seems content to lose the battle. I fully supported this endeavor, and backed up my support by sacrificing years of my life in an effort to make it succeed. Meanwhile here at home "patriots" chipped away at our resolve to win and helped usher in the worst government we may have ever had. Now they're all bent out of shape because they helped the leftwing globalists, and they don't even know it.
 
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And also says Article VI of the Constitution that no law can ever be above it.

Ya gotta love those Founding Fathers. Had they not drawn up that fine document, yes, even in spite of it's errors, we would have been toast long ago.

You might want to read Article VI again, especially (2). It says that: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; AND ALL TREATIES MADE, OR WHICH SHALL BE MADE, UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE UNITED STATES, SHALL BE THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND: and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, ANY THING IN THE CONSTITUTION OR LAWS OF ANY STATE TO THE CONTRARY NOTWITHSTANDING.
 

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You might want to read Article VI again, especially (2). It says that: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; AND ALL TREATIES MADE, OR WHICH SHALL BE MADE, UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE UNITED STATES, SHALL BE THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND: and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, ANY THING IN THE CONSTITUTION OR LAWS OF ANY STATE TO THE CONTRARY NOTWITHSTANDING.

The key phrase here is, "under the Authority of the United States". Couple this with the fact that the president MUST "preserve, protect and defend" the Constitution and what do you get? The authority of the United States is loaned to the nation by the People and the Constitution is a trust which outlines that which the government is allowed to do. Therefore, any treaty which countermands the Constitution is not even a consideration. And if the president were to sign such a treaty which violated any part of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, his actions would be illegal and he would be committing treason.
 

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The key phrase here is, "under the Authority of the United States". Couple this with the fact that the president MUST "preserve, protect and defend" the Constitution and what do you get? The authority of the United States is loaned to the nation by the People and the Constitution is a trust which outlines that which the government is allowed to do. Therefore, any treaty which countermands the Constitution is not even a consideration. And if the president were to sign such a treaty which violated any part of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, his actions would be illegal and he would be committing treason.

I like your interpretation of it, but that's not what it says. We "loaned" our authority when we elected the President and Congress to act on our behave. I think that if this were ever signed and passed by Congress it would end up before the Supreme Court. I sincerely hope that never happens. I am not a Constitutional scholar so I really can't say, and even they disagree on what various parts of the Constitution mean. It certainly would not be in the spirit of the Constitution; I don't think that the Founding Fathers intended that this country ever be subject to foreign laws. That's why they came to this country to begin with, to get away from a repressive government. I think we are in for some interesting times.
 

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yea thats all fine and good, and I respectfully agree, but, those jackasses we have in there now (with some exeptions of course) dont give a rats #SS about our constitution nor do they plan to keep it.They are liars, anti Americans, Marxists,socialists,communists. And we put them into office. May God help us.
 

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I like your interpretation of it, but that's not what it says.

I must respectfully disagree with you on this and I base this on the fact that all of our elected public official, military, and I suspect all state and local police forces are required to take an oath swearing their allegiance and faith to the Constitution. This clearly means that any laws, regulations, restrictions, treaties, etc. which are not specifically allowed under the Constitution are by definition illegal. Me thinks there has been a multitude of illegal activity going on for some time by these maggots. But that does not make it either legal or right. A treaty cannot violate the Constitution or the Bill of Rights by law.
 
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SCOTUS precedent on treaties

Nothing overrides the Constitution!

In the Reid v. Covert case, it was an executive agreement (not a
treaty) between the United States and Great Britain that was in
question. However, in Part II, we find:
“MR. JUSTICE BLACK announced the judgment of the Court and
delivered an opinion, in which THE CHIEF JUSTICE, MR. JUSTICE
DOUGLAS, and MR. JUSTICE BRENNAN join.”

Significant excerpts include:
“At the time of Mrs. Covert's alleged offense, an executive agreement
was in effect between the United States and Great Britain which
permitted United States' military courts to exercise exclusive
jurisdiction over offenses committed in Great Britain by American
servicemen or their dependents.”

“It would be manifestly contrary to the objectives of those who
created the Constitution, as well as those who were responsible for
the Bill of Rights -- let alone alien to our entire constitutional history
and tradition -- to construe Article VI as permitting the United States
to exercise power under an international agreement without
observing constitutional prohibitions. ... In effect, such construction
would permit amendment of that document in a manner not
sanctioned by Article V. The prohibitions of the Constitution were
designed to apply to all branches of the National Government, and
they cannot be nullified by the Executive or by the Executive and the
Senate combined.”

“There is nothing new or unique about what we say here. This Court
has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the
Constitution over a treaty. ... For example, in Geofroy v. Riggs, 133
U.S. 258, 267, it declared: The treaty power, as expressed in the
Constitution, is in terms unlimited except by those restraints which
are found in that instrument against the action of the government or
of its departments, and those arising from the nature of the
government itself and of that of the States. It would not be
contended that it extends so far as to authorize what the Constitution
forbids, or a change in the character of the [p*18] government, or in
that of one of the States, or a cession of any portion of the territory
of the latter, without its consent.”

“This Court has also repeatedly taken the position that an Act of
Congress, which must comply with the Constitution, is on a full parity
with a treaty, and that, when a statute which is subsequent in time is
inconsistent with a treaty, the statute to the extent of conflict renders
the treaty null. ... It would be completely anomalous to say that a
treaty need not comply with the Constitution when such an
agreement can be overridden by a statute that must conform to that
instrument.”
 

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yea thats all fine and good, and I respectfully agree, but, those jackasses we have in there now (with some exeptions of course) dont give a rats #SS about our constitution nor do they plan to keep it.They are liars, anti Americans, Marxists,socialists,communists. And we put them into office. May God help us.

There have been jackasses in both houses and the white house many, many times since the founding of the republic. And there will continue to be long after we're dead, should the republic survive. The real insidious evil is the undermining of our traditions, our institutions, our culture, our heritage, and our history as each generation fails to pass all of this on to subsequent generations without first a bit of twisting, turning, and editing. What we have now is a far cry from what the Founders envisioned for us to have. "A republic, if they can keep it" is what Franklin said and he darned well knew of which he spoke.
 

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Would not the SALT treaty violate the 2A? How can you deny a country the right to bear arms, when the liberal side claims it is a collective right of the government to have arms?
But maybe that is the real charge of those three hikers in Iran, they violated local gun laws by having a gun in the US. BHO doesn't want a public trial that would expose him letting Iran know they had the guns in his secret enforcement of UN BS, so they are held in isolation till people forget they are there.
 
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