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    Does anyone carry a PPS 43 pistol ?

    The ammo is cheap and the magazines hold 35 rounds.



    I'm not affiliated, but they just got some in stock.

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    Come on man...*facepalm*
    OH NO!!! I cant seem to think of anything "funny" and/or "wise" to put in my forum signature...NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! lol

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    What is neat is they have a nice shoulder stock welded on them so they look more like a pistol.

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    Neat.
    Pity CA doesn't allow 'hicaps'.

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    I think this could be a good carry firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwikrnu View Post


    I think this could be a good carry firearm.

    oh my god, your so shocking...your so edgy! *rolls eyes*
    OH NO!!! I cant seem to think of anything "funny" and/or "wise" to put in my forum signature...NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! lol

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    just wanted to see how this thread goes
    Last edited by nova; 08-09-2010 at 01:49 AM.

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    (14) LONG GUN CARRY IS OFF-TOPIC: This web site is focused on the right to openly carry properly holstered handguns in daily American life. We do NOT promote the carry of long guns. Long guns are great! OCDO co-founders John & Mike and most of the members of this forum own at least one long gun - but due to urban area issues of muzzle control, lack of trigger guard coverage, and the fact that the long gun carry issue distracts from our main mission to promote the open carry of handguns in daily life, we will leave long gun carry activism in the capable hands of the future founders of web sites about long gun carry. (red emphasis added by Citizen)

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules
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    I believe Citizen was highlighting the "properly holstered" part of that statement.

    Im not sure anyone makes a proper holster for that monstrosity. I would assume that if it's on a sling, that could qualify for properly holstered.

    To the OP, no, I don't own one nor do I have any desire to own one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VFORVENDETTA View Post
    It does not have a stock so it's a handgun.
    I believe barrel lenght denotes a handgun, under 16". Stock or no stock makes no difference. otherwise many shotguns with pistol grips would be considered a hand gun.

    I could be wrong.
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    A pistol gripped shotgun is still classified as a shotgun because of the smooth bore. Anything smooth bore is classified as a shotgun.

    Federal law requires that shotguns have a minimum length of 26" and a barrel length of 18".

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    Quote Originally Posted by flb_78 View Post
    SNIP Federal law requires that shotguns have a minimum length of 26" and a barrel length of 18".
    Cite, please.

    (5) CITE TO AUTHORITY: If you state a rule of law, it is incumbent upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when available,is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flb_78 View Post
    SNIP I believe Citizen was highlighting the "properly holstered" part of that statement.
    No matter how one slices it, that thing does not fit the parameters of a properly holstered handgun that would align with OCDO's mission of normalizing handgun carry.

    In this case, the pistol designation seems to have started with the original sub-machine gun manufacturer calling their SMG a pistol. And, BATF giving such designation to the latter day semi-auto remake.

    Just because somebody did, or somebody could call it a pistol does not mean it fits OCDO's mission. Nor does the designation assigned by an anti-gun federal bureaucracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    No matter how one slices it, that thing does not fit the parameters of a properly holstered handgun that would align with OCDO's mission of normalizing handgun carry.

    In this case, the pistol designation seems to have started with the original sub-machine gun manufacturer calling their SMG a pistol. And, BATF giving such designation to the latter day semi-auto remake.

    Just because somebody did, or somebody could call it a pistol does not mean it fits OCDO's mission. Nor does the designation assigned by an anti-gun federal bureaucracy.
    What is the OCDO definition of properly holstered?
    If there is a clear definition of properly holstered, why couldn't this be properly holstered?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen View Post
    Cite, please.

    (5) CITE TO AUTHORITY: If you state a rule of law, it is incumbent upon you to try to cite, as best you can, to authority. Citing to authority, using links when available,is what makes OCDO so successful. An authority is a published source of law that can back your claim up - statute, ordinance, court case, newspaper article covering a legal issue, etc.

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/misc.php?do=showrules
    (6) The term "short-barreled shotgun" means a shotgun having one or more barrels less than eighteen inches in length and any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.

    http://www.nraila.org/federalfirearms.htm#GCA

    More better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwikrnu View Post
    What is the OCDO definition of properly holstered?
    If there is a clear definition of properly holstered, why couldn't this be properly holstered?
    Nice try, Kwik.

    The point isn't whether a firearm is properly holstered or not. The point is the total picture. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what a "properly holstered hangun" would mean in connection with OCDO's mission of normalizing handgun carry.

    Only people with a prejudice of one sort or another have any need to argue the point, or parse the language, or find or create loopholes through which to admit their prejudice.

    I supported you on the navy revolver and AK pistol situations based on your basic human right of self-defense. But, that does not mean I supported either of your situations from the viewpoint of your actions being in line with OCDO's mission. If you insist on making an a$$ out of yourself trying to argue for open carry of a replica SMG as being in line with OCDO's mission, I won't get in your way. In fact, I will probably help you by highlighting it for everybody. Its your call.
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    It is a shame.

    I wanted to support kwikrnu, but he turned out to just be an ass.
    illegal ≠ immoral legal ≠ moral
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    Is kwik the same infamous "OCer" that walked down the street carrying a Navy Pistol because some archaic law in the town decreed the Navy Revolver to be the only pistol that could be legally carried and could only be carried "in hand" rather than holstered?

    If "yes" is the answer to the above, this guy does far more harm to The Movement" than any anti ever could.

    Carrying this "Submachinegun Look Alike" ANYWHERE in any recepticle is likely to get you a LOT of LE attention, but as we've already seen from his videos, he craves attention. Perhaps he wasn't breast-fed as a child. Maybe he was over-fed. For whatever reason, he seeks Professional Attention, Internet Fame and/or a payday.

    Why?
    "If I know that I am headed for a fight, I want something larger with more power, preferably crew-served.
    However, like most of us, as I go through my daily life, I carry something a bit more compact, with a lot less power."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MSC 45ACP View Post
    Why?
    First thing comes to mind is the parable of the scorpion and the frog.
    illegal ≠ immoral legal ≠ moral
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    He said, "Does anyone carry one? I found these for cheap. I think they're cool. I think they would make a good carry gun."
    Is he baiting the stiff necks here a bit? Yeah, but big surprise.

    I mean seriously, *SHRUG*. Is it winning hearts and minds? No, probably not.

    When it comes to principles and ideals, I have to be stubborn. The real people who hurt OC are not the people who carry firearms lawfully, but the officials who try to browbeat us into behaving, the legislators who try to ban it, the antis that lie about us, the shopkeepers who reject us, and the people who call the police on us, and condemn us.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZdlG...layer_embedded
    This video reminds me of how some OCDOers turn on each other, first everyone's hunky dory chasing after the bad guys, then they turn on each other.

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