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Pro-Gun Activists Plan to Walk the Pier Despite Possible Arrest
- Thread starter ryanburbridge
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Gundude
Regular Member
If I lived a little closer, I would call the cops bluff. However, you guys are on your own. Don't listen to me.
Is this where you are meeting?
Czuleger Park (Plaza Park) Foot of Diamond St. Scenic Walkway to International Boardwalk and Pier.
Is this where you are meeting?
Czuleger Park (Plaza Park) Foot of Diamond St. Scenic Walkway to International Boardwalk and Pier.
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I for one would love to see some mass civil disobedience going on, but California is not really the venue for that. Our criminal "justice" system is not very forgiving, nor easy to navigate. It is much easier to engage in such things in other states that are not so Stalinist. You will be thrown into the gulag and made an example of. Probably best to take caution.
ryanburbridge
Regular Member
I am debating going tomorrow or not I don't feel like carrying an empty gun holster but have met the guy organizing the event and respect his wishes. I also do not need to go to jail. Is it jail time for violation? or just a ticket. would i be on my own? We shall see.
lotar4life
Regular Member
I just responded to the SBOC email newsletter with an idea.
I train regularly in CQC and among my training tools is a Blackhawk G17 Demonstrator:
http://www.blackhawk.com/Catalog/DisplayImage.aspx?ImgURL=http://www.blackhawk.com:80//CatalogImages/18-1143-IMG1_L.jpeg&Title=Demo Gun
I have the gray one and it clicks into my Glock 20 Blackhawk CQC holster with no problems! Aside from the lighter gray color, it looks just like the real deal.
If anyone has one, it would be a great visual impact without the risk given all the boloney surrounding this particular event.
Just a thought.
Edit: I won't be there unfortunately tomorrow as I told my dad I would take my dad out on my boat for his birthday. If someone (who holsters a Glock) wants to borrow mine, I will be in San Pedro in the morning if you want to swing by and use it for the day!
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heliopolissolutions
Regular Member
I entertained the notion of picking up some replicas to let them try and e-check those...but...whats the point? Its hardly civil disobedience or calling their bluff, or making a good case for the media to walk about with toys.
lotar4life
Regular Member
It was just a thought for those who wish to not call bluffs.
OR... you can just take the barrel out of your pistol and then technically you'd be carrying a "prop" gun.
OR... you can just take the barrel out of your pistol and then technically you'd be carrying a "prop" gun.
ryanburbridge
Regular Member
I have read someplace before that toy guns are a big no no ill post something if i can find it.
LOOK SEE
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate?WAISdocID=1640159720+0+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve
12550. As used in this article, the following definitions apply:
(a) "BB device" is defined in subdivision (g) of Section 12001.
(b) "Firearm" is defined in subdivision (b) of Section 12001.
(c) "Imitation firearm" means any BB device, toy gun, replica of a
firearm, or other device that is so substantially similar in
coloration and overall appearance to an existing firearm as to lead a
reasonable person to perceive that the device is a firearm.
12556. (a) No person may openly display or expose any imitation
firearm, as defined in Section 12550, in a public place.
(b) Violation of this section, except as provided in subdivision
(c), is an infraction punishable by a fine of one hundred dollars
($100) for the first offense, and three hundred dollars ($300) for a
second offense.
(c) A third or subsequent violation of this section is punishable
as a misdemeanor.
(d) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to the following, when the
imitation firearm is:
(1) Packaged or concealed so that it is not subject to public
viewing.
(2) Displayed or exposed in the course of commerce, including
commercial film or video productions, or for service, repair, or
restoration of the imitation firearm.
(3) Used in a theatrical production, a motion picture, video,
television, or stage production.
(4) Used in conjunction with a certified or regulated sporting
event or competition.
(5) Used in conjunction with lawful hunting, or lawful pest
control activities.
(6) Used or possessed at certified or regulated public or private
shooting ranges.
(7) Used at fairs, exhibitions, expositions, or other similar
activities for which a permit has been obtained from a local or state
government.
(8) Used in military, civil defense, or civic activities,
including flag ceremonies, color guards, parades, award
presentations, historical reenactments, and memorials.
(9) Used for public displays authorized by public or private
schools or displays that are part of a museum collection.
(10) Used in parades, ceremonies, or other similar activities for
which a permit has been obtained from a local or state government.
(11) Displayed on a wall plaque or in a presentation case.
(12) Used in areas where the discharge of a firearm is lawful.
(13) A device where the entire exterior surface of the device is
white, bright red, bright orange, bright yellow, bright green, bright
blue, bright pink, or bright purple, either singly or as the
predominant color in combination with other colors in any pattern, or
where the entire device is constructed of transparent or translucent
materials which permits unmistakable observation of the device's
complete contents. Merely having an orange tip as provided in federal
law and regulations does not satisfy this requirement. The entire
surface must be colored or transparent or translucent.
(e) For purposes of this section, the term "public place" means an
area open to the public and includes streets, sidewalks, bridges,
alleys, plazas, parks, driveways, front yards, parking lots,
automobiles, whether moving or not, and buildings open to the general
public, including those that serve food or drink, or provide
entertainment, and the doorways and entrances to buildings or
dwellings, and shall include public schools and a public or private
college or university.
(f) Nothing in this section shall be construed to preclude
prosecution for a violation of Section 171b, 171.5, or 626.10.
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lotar4life
Regular Member
Whoa!! Learn something new every day! Thanks for posting this up!
ryanburbridge
Regular Member
That's what we are all here for.
DON`T TREAD ON ME
Regular Member
This appears to be the same as Florida, check out their thread, just because it says pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed. I saw nothing in the code, that said those Items SHALL be concealed.
heliopolissolutions
Regular Member
12550, its a good read, I know.
When I say replica, I was kind of referring to those baby-blue holster display firearms, but I know that I wasn't being very specific.
Draws a little more attention to how sad it is to be lugging about a bit of plastic.
Don't get me wrong its silly, but if we're just talking about talking then if we were filming a documentary, or had a protest permit (fat chance) we could do as we please with realistic replicas.
Title 15 Chapter 76 Section 5001 United States Code
Very simple, you got its from California stores and tell the judge about it if you or child/children got arrested.
OR the hard ways for both LE & DA ...
TITLE 15 - COMMERCE AND TRADE
CHAPTER 76 - IMITATION FIREARMS
Sec. 5001. Penalties for entering into commerce of imitation firearms
-STATUTE-
(a) Acts prohibited
It shall be unlawful for any person to manufacture, enter into commerce, ship, transport, or receive any toy, look-alike, or imitation firearm unless such firearm contains, or has affixed to it, a marking approved by the Secretary of Commerce, as provided in subsection (b) of this section.
(b) Distinctive marking or device; exception; waiver; adjustments and changes
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2) or (3), each toy, look-alike, or imitation firearm shall have as an integral part, permanently affixed, a blaze orange plug inserted in the barrel of such toy, look-alike, or imitation firearm. Such plug shall be recessed no more than 6 millimeters from the muzzle end of the barrel of such firearm.
...
(c) "Look-alike firearm" defined
For purposes of this section, the term "look-alike firearm" means any imitation of any original firearm which was manufactured, designed, and produced since 1898, including and limited to toy guns, water guns, replica nonguns, and air-soft guns firing "nonmetallic projectiles". Such term does not include any look-alike, nonfiring, collector replica of an antique firearm developed prior to 1898, or traditional B-B, paint-ball, or pellet-firing air guns that expel a projectile through the force of air pressure.
...
(g) Preemption of State or local laws or ordinances; exceptions
The provisions of this section shall supersede any provision of State or local laws or ordinances which provide for markings or identification inconsistent with provisions of this section provided that no State shall -
(i) prohibit the sale or manufacture of any look-alike, nonfiring, collector replica of an antique firearm developed prior to 1898, or
(ii) prohibit the sale (other than prohibiting the sale to minors) of traditional B-B, paint ball, or pellet-firing air guns that expel a projectile through the force of air pressure.
...
California Penal Code
12553. (a) (1) Any person who changes, alters, removes, or obliterates any coloration or markings that are required for by any applicable state or federal law or regulation, for any imitation firearm, or device described in subdivision (c) of Section 12555, in any way that makes the imitation firearm or device look more like a firearm is guilty of a misdemeanor.
Most California Business were wrongs about the airsoft as defined from BB's CPC law.
So, you can carry toy guns or airsoft with blaze orange tip, gun is designed for emergency or distress signaling purposes or banana, all from California stores.
And don't forget the sales receipt.
Very simple, you got its from California stores and tell the judge about it if you or child/children got arrested.
OR the hard ways for both LE & DA ...
TITLE 15 - COMMERCE AND TRADE
CHAPTER 76 - IMITATION FIREARMS
Sec. 5001. Penalties for entering into commerce of imitation firearms
-STATUTE-
(a) Acts prohibited
It shall be unlawful for any person to manufacture, enter into commerce, ship, transport, or receive any toy, look-alike, or imitation firearm unless such firearm contains, or has affixed to it, a marking approved by the Secretary of Commerce, as provided in subsection (b) of this section.
(b) Distinctive marking or device; exception; waiver; adjustments and changes
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2) or (3), each toy, look-alike, or imitation firearm shall have as an integral part, permanently affixed, a blaze orange plug inserted in the barrel of such toy, look-alike, or imitation firearm. Such plug shall be recessed no more than 6 millimeters from the muzzle end of the barrel of such firearm.
...
(c) "Look-alike firearm" defined
For purposes of this section, the term "look-alike firearm" means any imitation of any original firearm which was manufactured, designed, and produced since 1898, including and limited to toy guns, water guns, replica nonguns, and air-soft guns firing "nonmetallic projectiles". Such term does not include any look-alike, nonfiring, collector replica of an antique firearm developed prior to 1898, or traditional B-B, paint-ball, or pellet-firing air guns that expel a projectile through the force of air pressure.
...
(g) Preemption of State or local laws or ordinances; exceptions
The provisions of this section shall supersede any provision of State or local laws or ordinances which provide for markings or identification inconsistent with provisions of this section provided that no State shall -
(i) prohibit the sale or manufacture of any look-alike, nonfiring, collector replica of an antique firearm developed prior to 1898, or
(ii) prohibit the sale (other than prohibiting the sale to minors) of traditional B-B, paint ball, or pellet-firing air guns that expel a projectile through the force of air pressure.
...
California Penal Code
12553. (a) (1) Any person who changes, alters, removes, or obliterates any coloration or markings that are required for by any applicable state or federal law or regulation, for any imitation firearm, or device described in subdivision (c) of Section 12555, in any way that makes the imitation firearm or device look more like a firearm is guilty of a misdemeanor.
Most California Business were wrongs about the airsoft as defined from BB's CPC law.
So, you can carry toy guns or airsoft with blaze orange tip, gun is designed for emergency or distress signaling purposes or banana, all from California stores.
And don't forget the sales receipt.
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If you want to carry a fake gun in a holster, get one of the Blue Guns.
http://www.copsplus.com/ringsblueguns.php
Since they are bright blue, they are exempt from the "imitation firearm" law. Not subject to any "gun free zone", either.
http://www.copsplus.com/ringsblueguns.php
Since they are bright blue, they are exempt from the "imitation firearm" law. Not subject to any "gun free zone", either.
Ca Patriot
Regular Member
Iopencarry
Regular Member
This was posted a while ago, by a friend,
"This ended up being a very successful open carry event after all with a few restrictions. Many of us had our guns and the police acted very appropriate. I hope this will be the beginning of a positive relationship with Redondo Beach PD."
This friend was there.
"This ended up being a very successful open carry event after all with a few restrictions. Many of us had our guns and the police acted very appropriate. I hope this will be the beginning of a positive relationship with Redondo Beach PD."
This friend was there.
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.45 caliber Glock banana
A few photographers there got the banana, Thankfully we traded the bananas in for actual self defense
firearms after a while. This turned out to be a big success after all. Lots of positive public contact and we
will have to wait and see about the press.
A few photographers there got the banana, Thankfully we traded the bananas in for actual self defense
firearms after a while. This turned out to be a big success after all. Lots of positive public contact and we
will have to wait and see about the press.
Ca Patriot
Regular Member
So you guys ended up carrying on the pier ? I thought the police said it was illegal ? Are you going to post videos ?
If I had known it was going to go down I would have come. I live 3 minutes from there but decided not to go when someone said they werent going to carry. Damn.
If I had known it was going to go down I would have come. I live 3 minutes from there but decided not to go when someone said they werent going to carry. Damn.
heliopolissolutions
Regular Member
lol