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    Cool Ar15

    Id like to know id if you can legally open carry an ar15 on a sling loaded in washington state and what the stipulations on how i can carry my ar15 this sounds kind of stupid but i wanna know what kinda fire arms are able to be carried on my persons, thanks for the time
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    First off, it is illegal to have a loaded rifle in a vehicle so you cannot transport it loaded. And in State v. Spencer he was charged under RCW 9.41.270 for carrying a visibly loaded AK-47 as he "walked fast with his head down". I have seen nothing that outlaws open carry of a rifle, however case law could be against you.

    As a side note, I don't see anything against a hostered AR-15 pistol if you are trying to push boundries. It should be treated as a pistol while being almost guarenteed to get you noticed by the local LEO.

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    This board is about the open carry of handguns. About normalizing the open carry of handguns. NOT about OCing of long guns. I suggest you take this question elsewhere.
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    where does it say its illegal to transport a loaded rifle in a vehicle

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    This board is about the open carry of handguns. About normalizing the open carry of handguns. NOT about OCing of long guns. I suggest you take this question elsewhere.
    O i thought it was about open carry not just one type of gun my bad must have missed where it says close minded to being different on here.

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    11) This web site is focused on the right to openly carry properly holstered handguns in daily American life. Do not start OFF TOPIC threads or discussions such aspromoting the carry of long guns. Long guns are great! OCDO co-founders John & Mike and most of the folks on this forum own at least one long gun - but due to urban area issues of muzzle control, lack of trigger guard coverage, and the fact that the long gun carry issue distracts from our main mission to promote the open carry of handguns in daily life, we will leave long gun carry activism in the capable hands of the future founders of web sites about long gun carry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
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    11) this web site is focused on the right to openly carry properly holstered handguns in daily american life. do not start off topic threads or discussions such as promoting the carry of long guns. long guns are great! Ocdo co-founders john & mike and most of the folks on this forum own at least one long gun - but due to urban area issues of muzzle control, lack of trigger guard coverage, and the fact that the long gun carry issue distracts from our main mission to promote the open carry of handguns in daily life, we will leave long gun carry activism in the capable hands of the future founders of web sites about long gun carry.
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    these are the rules i saw so i didnt know thanks buddy

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    ok thank for being dumb and not helpful at all maybe well meet one day and talk about you being stupid instead of helpful **** *** have a good day
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgross85 View Post
    ok thank for being dumb and not helpful at all maybe well meet one day and talk about you being stupid instead of helpful **** *** have a good day
    Why the insult?

    The owners of the forum have asked that we don't talk about OC of long guns as they are more controversial. Perhaps a larger showing of respect would be a better approach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Why the insult?

    The owners of the forum have asked that we don't talk about OC of long guns as they are more controversial. Perhaps a larger showing of respect would be a better approach.
    well until i got your post those rules where not anywhere i could see and i just want help not some guy telling me im dumb cause i had a question i thought we help educate here

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgross85 View Post
    well until i got your post those rules where not anywhere i could see and i just want help not some guy telling me im dumb cause i had a question i thought we help educate here
    Really where in the above quote did I call you a name? Where in the nearly 2000 posts have I called anyone a name?

    I see you joined some time ago, but probably haven't done much reading on the board. I suggest you read for a week or so, there is a wealth of information. Use the search feature and seek to understand before you can be understood.
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    Yeah gogo... what's the deal? He had a legitimate question. As far as I can see, there is no rule against the open carry of an AR-15. You are borderline pushing the

    "(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons."

    From RCW 9.41.270

    Also 9.41.190 says machine guns are illegal and will be seized. Since an AR-15 is a semi-auto but looks like a machine gun and can be converted to a machine gun, I doubt you could walk past an LEO without being harassed.

    It was all over the news when a man brought an AR-15 to an Obama protest. He was not harassed by the cops, though he was highly watched. He was on private property, and the church had given the OK for him to carry it on their grounds. Personally, I would not carry it unless it was unloaded and I was transporting it. We just are not at the stage in time where people are accepting of riffles, or even handguns in some situations, so I wouldn't bother carrying it unless you want a HUGE EYE watching your every move. You are just as safe with a pistol.

    "This board is about the open carry of handguns. About normalizing the open carry of handguns. NOT about OCing of long guns. I suggest you take this question elsewhere." -gogodawgs

    From my understanding, this site is about the education of our second amendment rights so that we are fully equipped to exercise them. Yeah the site says it's about the open carry of a handgun for everyday American life, but the ideology is about the 2nd amendment. Give the guy a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    Really where in the above quote did I call you a name? Where in the nearly 2000 posts have I called anyone a name?

    I see you joined some time ago, but probably haven't done much reading on the board. I suggest you read for a week or so, there is a wealth of information. Use the search feature and seek to understand before you can be understood.
    i read this form almost every day there is alot info here, Just not coming from you and those rules are not on anything but your post so until admin tell me ill keep asking about my rifle ok answer my question or dont post thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joejoejoe View Post
    Yeah gogo... what's the deal? He had a legitimate question. As far as I can see, there is no rule against the open carry of an AR-15. You are borderline pushing the

    "(1) It shall be unlawful for any person to carry, exhibit, display, or draw any firearm, dagger, sword, knife or other cutting or stabbing instrument, club, or any other weapon apparently capable of producing bodily harm, in a manner, under circumstances, and at a time and place that either manifests an intent to intimidate another or that warrants alarm for the safety of other persons."

    From RCW 9.41.270

    Also 9.41.190 says machine guns are illegal and will be seized. Since an AR-15 is a semi-auto but looks like a machine gun and can be converted to a machine gun, I doubt you could walk past an LEO without being harassed.

    It was all over the news when a man brought an AR-15 to an Obama protest. He was not harassed by the cops, though he was highly watched. He was on private property, and the church had given the OK for him to carry it on their grounds. Personally, I would not carry it unless it was unloaded and I was transporting it. We just are not at the stage in time where people are accepting of riffles, or even handguns in some situations, so I wouldn't bother carrying it unless you want a HUGE EYE watching your every move. You are just as safe with a pistol.

    "This board is about the open carry of handguns. About normalizing the open carry of handguns. NOT about OCing of long guns. I suggest you take this question elsewhere." -gogodawgs

    From my understanding, this site is about the education of our second amendment rights so that we are fully equipped to exercise them. Yeah the site says it's about the open carry of a handgun for everyday American life, but the ideology is about the 2nd amendment. Give the guy a break.

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    No need for attitude or insult

    Seems somebody has a small pistol complex. The rules say this is not the place to discuss such matters. Please respec that. On another note, you can OC whatever you like, but a rifle is hard to carry, has very high muzzle velocity, no trigger control, etc. I get nervous in very large crowds while OCing my pistol because my situational awareness... Awww, forget it.
    let this post die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryk45XD View Post
    Seems somebody has a small pistol complex. The rules say this is not the place to discuss such matters. Please respec that. On another note, you can OC whatever you like, but a rifle is hard to carry, has very high muzzle velocity, no trigger control, etc. I get nervous in very large crowds while OCing my pistol because my situational awareness... Awww, forget it.
    let this post die.
    Thank you i didnt realize people i thought loved there gun rights where so closed minded

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    The only rules I came up with are located here. They mention nothing about a ban on the legal open carry of a long gun.

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    jgross85, you really blew the responses out of proportion. Nobody called you dumb, and you diminish your very legitimate original post by saying so.

    I've asked similar questions concerning open carry of long guns, with identical results. It appears gogodawgs answer was carefully phrased to avoid any direct insult to anyone, however he has appointed himself something of a de facto moderator for the Washington forum. As you can see, you didn't get very far before he showed you the door with the 'long gun' line of questioning.

    gogodawgs, if you are so adamant about reminding others of forum rules, then why don't you get this snappy with off topic posts as well? You cited the rule yourself, ''Do not start OFF TOPIC threads or discussions such as promoting the carry of long guns.''

    The forum would be more clear calling itself 'Handgun Open Carry.org' or some such title, if they don't even want simple discussion of long gun open carry.

    Lastly, Aryk45XD....

    ''No need for attitude or insult .Seems somebody has a small pistol complex......''

    Push me, shove you? Or did I miss the intended sarcasm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryk45XD View Post
    Seems somebody has a small pistol complex. The rules say this is not the place to discuss such matters. Please respec that. On another note, you can OC whatever you like, but a rifle is hard to carry, has very high muzzle velocity, no trigger control, etc. I get nervous in very large crowds while OCing my pistol because my situational awareness... Awww, forget it.
    let this post die.
    Can't handle carrying a loaded rifle in public? Don't do it. You're using the same logic as the antis; 'I get nervous around guns, so open carry should be banned.'

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    To the OP, open carry your rifle like the guy in this video and be ready for harassment from local LEO.
    Oh, and we'll be watching the news to hear about you walking around the city with a rifle on your back.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63GiXzpfGhA

    To everyone that is taking this thread way off topic and getting into a ******* match about openly carrying a rifle, get back on topic.
    That is all...

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    Here is the answer you are looking for: In the Spencer case he was carrying a rifle (AK-47), slung over his back. Spencer went through the legal system and was found guilty.

    There is no law against open carrying a rifle. There is a law against warranting alarm which is what carrying a rifle on Spencer's back caused. My recommendation to you, since you seem to be hell bent on carrying your AR-15 is, yes, go carry openly. But, when you are made a test case and you spend tens of thousands of dollars to fight your way through the court system, don't come here whining about it.
    I don't mind watching the OC-Community (tea party 2.0's, who have hijacked the OC-Community) cannibalize itself. I do mind watching OC dragged through the gutter. OC is an exercise of A Right. I choose to not OC; I choose to not own firearms. I choose to leave the OC-Community to it's own self-inflicted injuries, and eventual implosion. Carry on...

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    That is my fault and I apologize to our new member. When I moved over the forum rules, I reformatted them, combined a few and rewrote a few. In doing so, that rule did not make the new list. It has now been added but he would not have known.


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    pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

    theyre are 2 cases in washington that govern carrying long guns..
    case 1st, cassad, a felon with guns and drugs,
    stopped for carrying long guns, wrapped in a towel on his way to the pawn shop in port townsand.
    he got out of the charge, because the cops did not have RAS to stop him, because, carrying guns does not in it self create RAS of of crime.
    the mere presence of a firearm is Not RAS of a crime!!

    the 2nd, spencer, a LAC, carrying a CCd 45, with a CPL,
    was carrying a "visibly loaded" AK or AR, "at the ready", "head down", at a, time or place that
    "warranted alarm for the safety of others" (9.41.270).
    he was found guilty!

    his long gun was NOT slung on his back!!

    many people, in many states have made a habit of carrying long guns,
    it is not illegal, as with hand guns, the method of carry is the KEY.

    i have always contended that it is legal to sling a shot gun on your back and go to the bank
    here in washington.
    i get tired of anyone that says go ahead and try that, you can be the test case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvia Plath View Post
    Here is the answer you are looking for: In the Spencer case he was carrying a rifle (AK-47), slung over his back. Spencer went through the legal system and was found guilty.

    There is no law against open carrying a rifle. There is a law against warranting alarm which is what carrying a rifle on Spencer's back caused. My recommendation to you, since you seem to be hell bent on carrying your AR-15 is, yes, go carry openly. But, when you are made a test case and you spend tens of thousands of dollars to fight your way through the court system, don't come here whining about it.
    He was convicted because of the magazine in the rifle and for his demeanor, not for the fact he was carrying.

    John thanks for the Apology, to the new member. Hope that cleared up some confusion.

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    I guess you have to carry openly cuz the long gun is a biotch to find the right holster for.
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