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Are there places you cover up?

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Bikenut

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Have you been reading any of the previous posts? I'd recommend you re-read them and you'll find your answer.

And why would I need evidence for my belief?

I read your posts Sir.. and you are presenting your beliefs as being fact. This website deals in facts so if your beliefs are rooted in fact please provide links or cites to those facts.

If you are stating your "opinion" please state that it is an "opinion". Everyone is entitled to an opinion... everyone has an opinion... including me. But opinions are not fact. And "beliefs" are also not always factually based.

But it is a fact that to date there have not been any documented cases of citizen OC'ers "shot first" by bad guys after decades of many folks open carrying throughout the entire U.S.. If you can find one, just one!, documented incident where the citizen OC'er was "shot first" by the bad guy everyone here would be most interested in researching that incident. So if it is your "opinion" that an OC'er would be shot first... then that is your opinion or belief... but it is not documented fact.

Hang around on this website and you will discover that folks here insist on facts. Those who have no facts to back up what they say rapidly lose credibility. But those who preface "opinions" and "beliefs" by stating they are such do retain credibility because whether opinions or beliefs are correct or not everyone is entitled to have them.
 

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Bikenut that was... beautiful

Off the top of my head I know of one encounter where a would be bank robber ran out the door after he noticed an OCer (Dennis O'Connor) in my state.
 
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Combine that with Waffle House, and we have two known cases of OC deterring a crime. Plus probably thousands of cases that we'll never know about.
 

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I read your posts Sir.. and you are presenting your beliefs as being fact. This website deals in facts so if your beliefs are rooted in fact please provide links or cites to those facts.

If you are stating your "opinion" please state that it is an "opinion". Everyone is entitled to an opinion... everyone has an opinion... including me. But opinions are not fact. And "beliefs" are also not always factually based.

But it is a fact that to date there have not been any documented cases of citizen OC'ers "shot first" by bad guys after decades of many folks open carrying throughout the entire U.S.. If you can find one, just one!, documented incident where the citizen OC'er was "shot first" by the bad guy everyone here would be most interested in researching that incident. So if it is your "opinion" that an OC'er would be shot first... then that is your opinion or belief... but it is not documented fact.

Hang around on this website and you will discover that folks here insist on facts. Those who have no facts to back up what they say rapidly lose credibility. But those who preface "opinions" and "beliefs" by stating they are such do retain credibility because whether opinions or beliefs are correct or not everyone is entitled to have them.

I understand.
 

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Switching from CC to CC worked for me, alas my ankle bug doesn't allow for OC. But that brief exposure did the trick. I remember seeing a security video of a shop keeper oc'ing and the dumb crook didn't even see it when he attempted the mugging from the strong side. They aren't too bright for the most part, and are looking for blue with badges not honest citizens. Now if you wear a cheap suit and pull up in a ford sedan.........

Casino = CC to much attention needed to win and keep my chips mine.
Star Trek premiere = CC, I thought it was going to be a packed mob, and had no time to swap holsters when it turned out to be vacant. ( I liked it anyways )
School = CC till my son can't be retaliated against by the system.
Car = It's all CC by definition of carry laws.
Flying = OC, come on up and get me.
Giving my cowardly reps a piece of my mind = CC, they are scared enough as it is, but I let them know I carry.
Traffic Court = OC, the h*ll with the judge. Eventually they will give me a ticket for not breaking the law.
Nudie Bar = Catch 22, can't conceal, can't get lap dance if OC, and wife will kill me either way.......

I only have one boss I need to listen to, everyone else is not my problem. If she has valid reason I cover up, if she doesn't I can chose to sleep on the couch.
 

t33j

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I've OCed on a plane... and plan to 2 weekends from now... in your state as a matter of fact.
 
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Gunslinger

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I've OCed on a plane... and plan to 2 weekends from now... in your state as a matter of fact.
Unless it's a private plane accessable by not going through a security checkpoint, e.g., small or private airstrip, you can't carry on a commercial carrier of any type, open or concealed, unless you're a Federal Agent or Military Escort of a prisoner under orders. Period. Few courthouses don't have metal detectors these days. Fewer--probably no, states allow carry in a courthouse. I'd be interested in more details of how you do either. Rather than call BS, curious minds want to know.
 

simmonsjoe

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Unless it's a private plane accessable by not going through a security checkpoint, e.g., small or private airstrip, you can't carry on a commercial carrier of any type, open or concealed, unless you're a Federal Agent or Military Escort of a prisoner under orders. Period. Few courthouses don't have metal detectors these days. Fewer--probably no, states allow carry in a courthouse. I'd be interested in more details of how you do either. Rather than call BS, curious minds want to know.
He never said it was a commercial carrier. Your also missing the biggest most commonest airplane carriers there are... The Military.
 

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He never said it was a commercial carrier. Your also missing the biggest most commonest airplane carriers there are... The Military.

True. However, SlackwareRobert's post contained a list of common places where he carries. He didn't specify that it is a private plane, or that it is a military plane. In context, when someone speaks of something "on a plane", most people think of commercial airliners unless otherwise specified.

I'll concede a private plane or a military plane, but unless he is a LEO (and he has given us no indication that he is a LEO) I still call BS about open carrying in traffic court.
 
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Still waiting for the ticket. But been drooling for one since they started putting metal detectors in.
I won't submit to big brother, so no commercial flying for me. Besides how do you tell what the pilot had to drink, or even if he can handle an emergency. Nope, if I go down it is my fault and I will live with it or not. Plus I have never stolen or lost my luggage. Would love to have a jet, the gulf stream was a blast to fly, like going from a pacer to a Lamborghini. Helicopters are out for me, just don't have the knack for it I guess, and don't have the time and money to just force myself to get it. SHTF I could get off ground and away, but might be pretty messy on landing. Although with these computer fly by wire systems they have now who knows. They are dumbing down the flight systems for the worst instead of training pilots for the best. Just look at the space shuttle, the computer kept compensating for the wing drag from the tiles missing till it couldn't anymore. It should have been blaring warnings something was wrong from the get go instead of just making the thing fly straight hiding the problem. Wouldn't shock me a college kid wrote the software for his first job.

I have never look at how things should work, always wonder what happens if it doesn't. First thought to me on 9/11 is just repel down the side to get out, 1000ft run down the face what a rush that would be. I used to be teased because I had a rope and d-rings when I worked on the 15th floor, never needed them but I had them and a plan. Helped when I found myself on two wheels in car, when I had to do a 180 on a narrow street to maintain control. Gets expensive having to trash equipment so you can practice, but after you are dead it is to late to complain you didn't practice.
Blowing out my rear window to check on deflection of bullet was worth it, cost me a power antenna from the skip but now I know to use the hinge and latch plate to remove the window quickly. In three decades i've only had one chance to try my barricade evasion tactic and they got out of the way, but I am prepared for it if needed. Good reason to OC on a bike, if you are thrown from it you can draw while flying through the air a lot easier. I think I can take down a helicopter, can't test the system on one, but at least I have planned for the need since waco so I have a fighting chance. Faster aircraft still have me stumped, things that will work are illegal so it is a catch 22. Surprise might help as they will never plan for private citizens being able to retaliate, but the best methods would put me on the wrong side of the law, but technology has ways of making options given time.
Have a couple of ideas for my pistol design that would not work for mass production, but one off manufacturing where quality doesn't need to be sacrificed will be interesting for SD. Never thought the world ending would be so liberating, and even if it doesn't I won't need to care either way. To be able to make a sheet of plywood from a log of wood, or a car from scraps of metal, your own electricity, or building your own pistol, ammo, powder, and primers from scratch. The 1911 was made 100 years ago, there is no reason you can't make one today with all our advances and knowledge. Maybe a hybrid composit is out, but I can live with a steel frame, and if my
propellants aren't the cleanest, I can replace worn parts. Who knows in a few years I might be the only one with powder that doesn't have a shelf life, and won't care a bit about it. They tricked me with the freon ban, never again.

Judges can only lock you up, there is no death penalty for not breaking the law. I don't mind if he throws me out of the court room and deny me my day in court. No trial, No conviction, works for me. I don't know what is going on, used to get a ticket every few weeks for not breaking the law. I really miss laughing at the excuses people use. Junkyards and court rooms, people tell me i'm like a kid in a candy store in both.
 

simmonsjoe

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Actually you were responding to

True. However, SlackwareRobert's post contained a list of common places where he carries. He didn't specify that it is a private plane, or that it is a military plane. In context, when someone speaks of something "on a plane", most people think of commercial airliners unless otherwise specified.

I'll concede a private plane or a military plane, but unless he is a LEO (and he has given us no indication that he is a LEO) I still call BS about open carrying in traffic court.
T33j who said he would be OCing on a plane this weekend.
 
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