Why you should always have a round in the chamber

Lopez reportedly told police he saw several Hispanic males walk past him throwing gang signs for about 20 minutes before two of them walked up to him and lifted their shirts to reveal pistols, documents said.

David Reyes allegedly told Lopez that he and the others with him were south side gang members, and that he believed Lopez was a former north side gang member.

Lopez told Reyes he didn't want any problems, and a short time later Reyes allegedly jumped Lopez from behind, documents said.

Reyes and several others started punching Lopez, who had a pistol and pulled it out to use in self-defense but there was no bullet in the chamber, documents said.

Reyes also had a gun and reportedly fired several times at Lopez. Lopez managed to load his pistol and fired at Reyes, hitting him twice. Reyes and the others then fled, documents said.

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NavyLT said:

Why should a person leave a place they have every right to be at simply because there are criminals there?QUOTE]

Either call the authorities or walk away, that is the responsible thing to do especially if there are other innocent people around. It doesn’t make sense to stick around to prove a point when you or someone else couldn’t be harmed as a result.

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bennie1986 said:

NavyLT said:

Why should a person leave a place they have every right to be at simply because there are criminals there?QUOTE]

Either call the authorities or walk away, that is the responsible thing to do especially if there are other innocent people around. It doesn’t make sense to stick around to prove a point when you or someone else couldn’t be harmed as a result.

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With an attitude like that you should probably stay home on the porch. Refusing to be intimidated is the American way. I will not let them take over my area period.
You shouldn't go out on the streets because there are cars out there and they run into each other and everything else. Call the authorities and tell them what. "There are some bad guys over here and they have guns" While you are talking on the phone you get shot in the back by the gang members.
By the way gang members rarely to never call the police, in case you didn't know.
Each situation is unique, try to learn from it. A man can not just run and hide, wait for the police, every time he is challenged. Where would the world be if everyone followed your advice? The bad guys win.......not on my watch.
This post is not meant to be a personal attack, just a right wing comment on a left wing post.

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Sylvia Plath said:

I have heard of people carrying this way, unloaded. One person told me that they can rack the slide back pretty quick. I think that these people do not realize how quickly SHTF. You usually will, if your lucky, only have enough time to draw your sidearm, and hopefully get a shot off. Throw in one more move and you are in big trouble, since, you are usually in the hole when it comes to time already.

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dan10mmman said:

bennie1986 said:

With an attitude like that you should probably stay home on the porch.

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They should probably stay away from their porch to; just ask the family of the girl in Tacoma (I think it was Tacoma) who's daughter was shot standing out on her porch.

Nowhere is safe anymore, if there ever was a safe place. If I am being confronted by a group of people, the last thing I am doing is turning around and walking away, talk about dangerous, since, I would have gathered they think I am part of some gang; good way to be shot in the back.

That is why I love Washington state--stand your ground. Fleeing is always an option, as long as you are sure they aren't going to jump you from the back or shoot you in the back. I would personally back away, and attempt to take cover, if that was possible, it reads like it wasn't and option.

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daddy4count said:

Racking the slide to chamber a round doesn't take much more time than clicking off a safety or cocking back a hammer...

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dan10mmman said:

bennie1986 said:

With an attitude like that you should probably stay home on the porch. Refusing to be intimidated is the American way. I will not let them take over my area period.
You shouldn't go out on the streets because there are cars out there and they run into each other and everything else. Call the authorities and tell them what. "There are some bad guys over here and they have guns" While you are talking on the phone you get shot in the back by the gang members.
By the way gang members rarely to never call the police, in case you didn't know.
Each situation is unique, try to learn from it. A man can not just run and hide, wait for the police, every time he is challenged. Where would the world be if everyone followed your advice? The bad guys win.......not on my watch.
This post is not meant to be a personal attack, just a right wing comment on a left wing post.

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So would your actions be the same if you were unarmed?

Sounds like a personl attack to me! Calling it a left wing post! Please let me know how I should see that other that an insult!

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bennie1986 said:

dan10mmman said:

So would your actions be the same if you were unarmed?

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Being armed and being unarmed are two completely different situations, because there are different options at your disposal.

I have seen that question asked so many times. Comparing being armed and not being armed is comparing apples to oranges. If you were unarmed you would have no other option but to flee. If you were armed you would have the option to not engage in a dangerous reaction such as turning around and running away.

Obviously we are all assuming what we would do in a situation like the one outlined at the beginning of this thread. Drawing your sidearm and pulling the trigger should be a last resort; now for the fun part, determining whether or not in that moment you are at the last resort. We must all remember there are bad decisions all around when determining whether or not to draw or flee. You could flee but it comes at a cost, just like drawing your sidearm; both of the run the risk of you either being dead or locked up for a number of years.

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bennie1986 said:

From my understanding of the article the guy was confronted then jumped a short time later. Sounds to me like there would have been an opportunity to distance himself from the situation or at least prepare for the attack. Comparing unarmed to armed reaction is completely relevant! If you are putting yourself in situations that may be risky just because you have a gun is stupid. I will not give an overzealous prosecutor any ammo (no pun intended) to file criminal charges on me for defending myself. You have to know they will question if there was another way the situation could have been resolved. I agree that he had the right to stand his ground. My point is that I don’t think that is the smartest move.

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Sylvia Plath said:

Walking down the street, minding your own business, and being confronted by a group of thugs is not putting yourself in a situation; it is a situation being imposed on you. "A short time later," seconds, minutes, hours?

Prosecutor, "Why were you walking down the street?"

Defendant, "I like going for walks"

What other explanation is needed as to why they are walking down the street.

So when is it not OK to be a law-abiding citizen walking down the street minding your own business? I don't drive my car to a crappy neighborhood to go for a midnight stroll, but am I bringing it onto my self if my partner and I go for a walk in the evening around our neighborhood? Since when do the streets suddenly become the sole stomping ground of thugs in the evening. You give up the streets to thugs in after 8 pm, they will eventually expect you to give them up at 6 pm, then 4 pm...where does a law-abiding citizen draw the line?

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Sylvia Plath said:

Walking down the street, minding your own business, and being confronted by a group of thugs is not putting yourself in a situation; it is a situation being imposed on you. "A short time later," seconds, minutes, hours?

Prosecutor, "Why were you walking down the street?"

Defendant, "I like going for walks"

What other explanation is needed as to why they are walking down the street.

So when is it not OK to be a law-abiding citizen walking down the street minding your own business? I don't drive my car to a crappy neighborhood to go for a midnight stroll, but am I bringing it onto my self if my partner and I go for a walk in the evening around our neighborhood? Since when do the streets suddenly become the sole stomping ground of thugs in the evening. You give up the streets to thugs in after 8 pm, they will eventually expect you to give them up at 6 pm, then 4 pm...where does a law-abiding citizen draw the line?

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bennie1986 said:

The seven are alleged to be gang members who assaulted and shot at Ronnie Lopez, who was attending a barbecue in the west end of the park, court documents said.
Lopez reportedly told police he saw several Hispanic males walk past him throwing gang signs for about 20 minutes before two of them walked up to him and lifted their shirts to reveal pistols, documents said.
David Reyes allegedly told Lopez that he and the others with him were south side gang members, and that he believed Lopez was a former north side gang member.
Lopez told Reyes he didn't want any problems, and a short time later Reyes allegedly jumped Lopez from behind, documents said.
Reyes and several others started punching Lopez, who had a pistol and pulled it out to use in self-defense but there was no bullet in the chamber, documents said.
Reyes also had a gun and reportedly fired several times at Lopez. Lopez managed to load his pistol and fired at Reyes, hitting him twice. Reyes and the others then fled, documents said.
Reyes was treated for gunshot wounds at Kadlec Regional Medical Center after being stopped by police in the park.

Read more: http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2010/08/03/1116291/pasco-shootng-suspects-believed.html#ixzz0vljIn9J0
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NavyLT said:

I would recommend that you not come to the Willow Lakes event on 8/15. DEROS72 lives in a pretty bad part of town. He doesn't have a choice. He has to live in a risky situation every day.

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daddy4count said:

Racking the slide to chamber a round doesn't take much more time than clicking off a safety or cocking back a hammer...

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Sylvia Plath said:

Apparently Lopez was at a BBQ, I am guessing with friends and/or family. The thugs had walked by throwing up gang signs. They approached Lopez then a short time later (not specified) .

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