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    First OC Sighting

    Unfortunately, the sighting was a man on a motorcycle with a holstered pistol on his hip driving down I-94/43 yesterday afternoon. Unless he was off duty LEO, my first sighting was most likely an illegal OC event.

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    Even if it was an off-duty officer it was still an illegal event.

    94-43 goes right past at least 2 high schools. Off duty leo's aren't allowed to carry in School zones either.
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    Yes, I mentioned this fact to a couple of local LEO's that are friends of mine that carry off duty. The general attitute was "we're cops, we'd never get charged with a violation". Some of us are more equal than others, it appears....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Birdhunter View Post
    Yes, I mentioned this fact to a couple of local LEO's that are friends of mine that carry off duty. The general attitute was "we're cops, we'd never get charged with a violation". Some of us are more equal than others, it appears....
    I will not go into details but... That guy is right... It IS true, however most "off duty" LEO carry concealed... (Also illegal, read the statutes.) They are "expected" to be LEO even off duty...

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    They are "expected" to be LEO even off duty...
    I don't have the text of the statute in front of me but it says something to the effect of having to be "in the course of their official duties".

    So regardless of what is "expected" of officers, I would like to see them claim that carrying to their kids softball game on school grounds is an "official duty"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisconsin Carry, Inc. - Chairman View Post
    I don't have the text of the statute in front of me but it says something to the effect of having to be "in the course of their official duties".
    Chapter 941, containing the prohibition on concealed weapons, has the term "duties" occur five times, none appropriate to your assertion.

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    948.605. Gun-free school zones.
    (1) Definitions. In this section:
    (a) "Encased" has the meaning given in s.167.31 (1) (b).
    (ac) "Firearm" does not include any beebee or pellet-firing gun that expels a projectile through the force of air pressure or any starter pistol.
    (am) "Motor vehicle" has the meaning given in s. 340.01 (35).
    (b) "School" has the meaning given in s. 948.61 (1) (b).
    (c) "School zone" means any of the following:
    1. In or on the grounds of a school.
    2. Within 1,000 feet from the grounds of a school.
    (2) Possession of firearm in school zone.
    (a) Any individual who knowingly possesses a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
    (b) Paragraph (a) does not apply to the possession of a firearm:
    1. On private property not part of school grounds;
    2. If the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by a political subdivision of the state or bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms in which political subdivision the school zone is located, and the law of the political subdivision requires that, before an individual may obtain such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the political subdivision must verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
    3. That is not loaded and is:
    a. Encased; or
    b. In a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;
    4. By an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;
    5. By an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;
    6. By a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or
    7. That is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school grounds for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school grounds is authorized by school authorities.
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    Thanks for saving me the hassle of counting the occurrences of "conceal" in the statutes and the chapters in which they occur. The sky is blue.

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    (a) Any individual who knowingly possesses a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.

    CORRECTION:
    (a) Any individual who knowingly possesses a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone is guilty of a Class I felony.

    It is a felony, per the legislature data website. Cops don't make a habit of making felons out of each other. But the government revels in making felons out of regular folks as a result of laws, constitutional or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wisconsin Carry, Inc. - Chairman View Post
    I don't have the text of the statute in front of me but it says something to the effect of having to be "in the course of their official duties".

    So regardless of what is "expected" of officers, I would like to see them claim that carrying to their kids softball game on school grounds is an "official duty"
    I understand that, I believe that the whole deal isnt fair. But that thats the way it is. Also, a leo that carries concealed to a softball game, has almost no way of getting searched and then found to be armed. Same goes for you and I, if they cant see it, how do you get in trouble for it?

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    wasn't me dudes, honest.

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    I wish I can say it was me, but my cahones are not that big yet. Neither is my wallet.

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