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    Just curious about my fellow OCers

    so, I was OCing today, and I started thinking. From those thoughts, I thought I would take a very informal poll. When OCing, and OCing only, who goes strong side draw, who wears a cross draw, why that draw, and what type of pistol? No dishonorable intentions. I am just curious what my comrades in arms opinions are.

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    Most often, I carry my G17 on my strong side in leg drop holster. Once in a blue moon, I will carry the a fore mentioned & my G26 on my weak side in a cross draw configuration. How's that for throwing a curve ball into your poll data? Sorry

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    Strong side leg drop XD .40 sub.
    Better cover for the piece, I can get to it sitting down very easily, Promotes OC very well. No accidental CC for non CPL. Tacticool! Fast draw. just like black, always in fashion, goes with any outfit :P

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    Mostly strong side OC... once in awhile cross draw or shoulder holster.

    Always have at least one backup CC sometimes two.
    Anything I post may be my opinion and not the law... you are responsible to do your own verification.

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    Daily: Smith & Wesson M&P Pistols (9mm or .45 ACP) in Fobus Paddle or Serpa Blackhawk Hip Holsters, Strong side.

    Camping: Ruger GP100 (.357 Magnum) in Galco Belt Holster, Strong side.

    Bear Country: Ruger Redhawk (.44 Magnum) in unknown Shoulder Holster, Cross-Draw.

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    Glock 23 in Serpa Blackhawk (*cringe*) strong side (Lefty)

    I can't crossdraw anyway I don't think... my arms aren't long enough to reach over my gut I'd imagine. Crossdraw imo is an absolutely terrible way to carry anyway unless in a shoulder holster. I'd be faster at an offhand draw anyway were I to need to carry a gun on my off-side.
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    I have watched, read, and attended countless Law Enforcement only videos, seminars, and books, on self defense and the like. I carry strong side, in and askins avenger style mode. High on the belt where my elbow can feel the gun. It is nearly impossible to reach for my gun without me feeling your approach. Then I can hold the gun in place while spinning so to speak to break your hold. I have practiced this many countless times with guys who make Arnold look wimpy. Every time now I can arm lock the weapon and turn to break a grip on it, then draw, or grab my concealed back up weapon. Strong side and high is proven to work best.

    When I had my agency I did on occasion use a shoulder holster, but it was only concealed and I was in a position to have it touching my hands the whole time. If you watch professional body guards you will notice most of them have their arms crossed, this isn't poor posture or manners, it is them hand on the shoulder holstered weapon at all times. Even when carry in a shoulder holster I had my second weapon strong side and high on the belt. The ONLY good reason for a non body guard to carry in a shoulder holster is because you are in a vehicle most of the time. It is extremely hard to draw from anything in a vehicle fast enough if SHTF (sh*t hits the fan). So the shoulder holster is a compromise to having a weapon drawn while you drive. I often drive with a slightly hidden holster mounted for instant grab in a vehicle, but I can't do that in other peoples cars obviously, so if I am going to be in their ride a long time I shoulder carry.

    For many who have never fired in anger so to speak, or carried as a result of their employment, it is hard to understand what works best and why they do things the way they do. I suggest getting some Law Enforcement books on videos on carry.



    Quote Originally Posted by Chrome coytoe View Post
    so, I was OCing today, and I started thinking. From those thoughts, I thought I would take a very informal poll. When OCing, and OCing only, who goes strong side draw, who wears a cross draw, why that draw, and what type of pistol? No dishonorable intentions. I am just curious what my comrades in arms opinions are.
    Exo 22:2 "If anyone catches a thief breaking in and hits him so that he dies, he is not guilty of murder.
    Luke 22:36: "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." Luk 11:21 "When a strong man, with all his weapons ready, guards his own house, all his belongings are safe.

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    G23; Serpa BlackHawk in town/ Cheap Fobus while working outside; 3-4o'clock/strong
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    Normally I carry strong side M&P 40 full size with one of the 3 paddle holsters I have for it. Along with that is usually a S&W 442 in my pocket.

    Now that I've blown out several discs in my back I switched to carrying the S&W 442, or Bersa 380 on my strong side. The difference in the weight felt versus my M&P is noticeable and less strain on my back. I can't wait to switch back to a full size.

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    Browning HP .40 strong side (right) 3 oclock Bianchi Minimalist (Model 106 not 105).
    1911 SOB 6 oclock Desantis #6.
    1911 strong 4 oclock Galco Concealable.

    BailEnforcer, +1!

    I too have about a dozen shoulder holsters and some of them are great for CC.

    My preferences come from about 20 years of CC and OC experience. One thing I can tell you for sure is that you are going to get a lot of different answers and the only one that is right is the one that you can carry the most comfortable. Everyone is different. Good luck.
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    G19 strong side in a level II serpa.

    When riding my motorcycle or concealing in the winter, I'll occasionally use my Galco shoulder holster.
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    Well, since I asked the question, I should at least answer like everyone else. I carry a Glock 23 on my strong side at the 3 oclock position in a Blackhawk cqc lvl 2 holster.

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    carrying on a cross draw makes absolutely no sense to me, with the exception of a shoulder holster. To carry cross draw on your hip is only asking for trouble if you ask me.

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    Hey, at least its not a calvary draw!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yooper View Post
    carrying on a cross draw makes absolutely no sense to me, with the exception of a shoulder holster. To carry cross draw on your hip is only asking for trouble if you ask me.
    May I ask why you feel that way?

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    I have several different pistols I carry openly and concealed. I normally carry openly on my strong side at 3-4 o'clock with a level II serpa holster. The other 1% of the time I carry cross draw on my weak side at about 11 o'clock, or in a drop leg holster on my strong side at 3 o'clock, or cross draw in a shoulder holster. For conceal I will also carry strong side waste, cross draw waste (rare), cross draw shoulder (rare), weak ankle, and pocket.
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    I carry a Sig P226, .40cal most of the time in a Don Hume open top belt slide. I will be carrying the Sig in a Little Feather Leather Works 5.0 belt slide as soon as I get it. Once in a while I'll carry in a Galco shoulder holster. Been known to do the SOB thing also. Later, Bob

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    Quick question for you guys. I carry strong side with a leg drop, usually a serpa. I am concerned about drawing with my left hand, should I become injured for instance, but drawing with the left is difficult. What would you all think would improve the accessibility from the from the weak hand? I had the same question while carrying on the strong side hip as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    Quick question for you guys. I carry strong side with a leg drop, usually a serpa. I am concerned about drawing with my left hand, should I become injured for instance, but drawing with the left is difficult. What would you all think would improve the accessibility from the from the weak hand? I had the same question while carrying on the strong side hip as well.
    I made a small joke earlier about Cav. draw, but IMO, I believe that is the easiest solution. However, to quote a favorite song of mine, anything easy is never worth it. With a cav. draw, when the SHTF, I have never seen someone draw strong side without crossing their body with the muzzle. But, other than cav. draw, I dont really know of any simple solution besides carrying a BUG.
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    What do you mean cav draw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stainless1911 View Post
    What do you mean cav draw?
    You wear the pistol butt forward on your strong side. It was mainly used by early cavalry so they could still draw strong side, while holding a sword in the weak side. if you google it you can find tons of examples. Not the best method, but some people swear by it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WARCHILD View Post
    May I ask why you feel that way?
    Several reasons, in a SHTF moment, its much easier to sweep your weak side hand with the muzzle, there by, increasing the chance that a person may shoot himself in his own arm. Second, carrying weak side doesn't give you the ability to point and start shooting (Like they do in quick draw shooting, where they shoot from the hip) in a SHTF moment. Third, a person can draw a firearm much faster when they only have to move their hand a few inches to access their firearm, versus the distance to go across their stomach, have their left arm potentially get in the way, draw the gun, and then sweep it across a great area in order to get it on target. And finally (for me anyway, I'm sure others will chime in with more), I've been trained, especially for a non firearm attack (knives, clubs whatever), to blade the weak side of my body towards the attacker. Assuming that someone where to hit me with something, or start slicing me up, I'd prefer to give up my left arm, leaving my strong side to control my gun, versus having to swing my strong arm across my body and into an area vulnerable to attack.

    For driving though, it's hard to beat a cross draw, but when I weigh the options, I feel I'm more open to attack on foot, than in a car, so I carry to those odds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yooper View Post
    carrying on a cross draw makes absolutely no sense to me, with the exception of a shoulder holster. To carry cross draw on your hip is only asking for trouble if you ask me.
    Cross draw makes sense if: You can use either hand to shoot with. I can & do shoot both left & right handed. So if I wear my primary pistol on my right side, and for some reason that hand or pistol should become damaged etc... I can draw second from cross draw using left hand. Or left hand damaged, right side pistol now empty after bad guys initiate attack. Can reach second pistol with right (strong hand) without trying to reload 1st pistol with only one hand. These are combat scenarios...I pray to GOD the options are never needed, but if so, in my opinion it is always better to have an option & not need it, versus need it and not have it. Does it make better sense now?

    Practice loading & shooting weak hand/one handed it can save your life. You may already do this, if so, good one you & Bikenut both. Kind regards, G9OS

    PS> Another option is using both pistols at the same time. I can do this competently, but am no where as skilled at this type of combat shooting as the ever venerable Dougwg is. I pity the bad guy(s) that ever make the mistake of tangling with him.
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    I always carry in the same position with whatever gun I carry. I don't want to be in a SHTF scenario and reach for my gun which is normally at the 3:00 position only to remember, too late, that I was carrying it in a shoulder holster that day.

    Consistency is the key.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    I always carry in the same position with whatever gun I carry. I don't want to be in a SHTF scenario and reach for my gun which is normally at the 3:00 position only to remember, too late, that I was carrying it in a shoulder holster that day.

    Consistency is the key.

    Bronson
    I'd also add to carry the same "type" of gun that they've practiced with. I've carried a glock forever, and if I had a gun with a safety on it (none of carry guns do) I could probably be beat to death with the wings of a mosquito before it would "click" in my head to flip the safety off.

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