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I was greeted today when taking a friend to the ER with a metal detector. i said, "I have a weapon, do you have a lock box or designated person to hold it?"

"No." Was the what he said in an irritated voice.

I said, "According to the law, you need to provide one of the two."

The security guard responded in a very rude condensing tone, "uh, no we don't."

Instead of further prolonging my friends pain, i take my baby to the truck disasemble it and bring the barrel only. Come back and tell him i only have the barrel, he wands me for ammo, then let's me go...

where am i wrong?
 
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Tacoma General is a private business and has no obligation to allow guns or babysit guns. 2nd Amendment applies only to government entities.
 
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Well if a cops don't know the laws and keep harassing us, what makes you think some dumb security guard will know the laws? "I don't get paid to read. I just know how to use this fancy magic wand." maybe.
 
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And roger... i thought (my mistake) the ER made it public, if you are unconscious you don't have much choice on what ER they send you to.

As well no RCW code was posted, just a sign inside the bulding posted.
 
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They don't post an RCW because there isn't one that applies.

Private property, they make the rules.

You are right, if you are hurt, you don't often get to choose what ER to go to. However, you weren't the one that was hurt, you need to comply with their rules if you want to remain with your friend.
 
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tombrewster421 said:
Well if a cops don't know the laws and keep harassing us, what makes you think some dumb security guard will know the laws? "I don't get paid to read. I just know how to use this fancy magic wand." maybe.
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Nice.... especially since the security officer was correct.

You paint with a broad brush. "Some" security officers are goofs who deserve your comments.

MOST do not.
 
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j2l3 said:
They don't post an RCW because there isn't one that applies.

Private property, they make the rules.

You are right, if you are hurt, you don't often get to shoose what ER to go to. However, you weren't the one that was hurt, you need to comply with their rules if you want to remain with your friend.
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Agreed, I just so happen to know a Tacoma Mall guard that know his ****, actually he is the guy that turned me on to this sight...

Thank you for the insight on the hospital as well some times i need it broken down barney style.
 
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Bob Warden said:
Tacoma General is a private business and has no obligation to allow guns or babysit guns. 2nd Amendment applies only to government entities.
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I'm asking this because I don't know -

While Tacoma General is part of Multi-Care, are they supported by a public tax? Many hospitals, even though nominally "private" are supported by property taxes (e.g., Steven's Hospital in Edmonds). For pretty much every other entity, the acceptance of public funds requires them to meet public laws.

If Tacoma General accepts tax support, would this theory apply? If so, wouldn't they fall under the RCWs?

When my son was born at Tacoma General, I cc'd everyday (except his birthday - had to change and go in the OR for that) with no problems.
 
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The hospital is a private, non government organization. They can refuse service at their discretion. I think their policies are stupid, but I can't do anything about it, except not go there.
 
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while I dont necessarily agree with the rules perhaps this perspective will shed some light on how far reaching the issue of guns in hospitals really is.

Even at an army/navy hospital in the middle of Fallujah during the reinvasion of this Iraqi city there was a NO WEAPONS policy. Yes you read that right IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR ZONE there is still not a firearm allowed in a hospital.

Reasoning behind this? I am not sure.

Not trying to say it is right or wrong but if Marines and Soldiers cant even have weapons in a forward located medevac hospital or Shock Trauma Platoon hospital then why would it makes sense for hospitals here to allow them in the "safety and peace" of everyday America?

Again I am not condoning this line of thinking, just pointing out that this is possibly the root of all evil, at least when it comes to the firearms and hospitals thing.....
 
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Slight tangent here:

SO if just about all hospitals/ERs ban guns, just what do they do if you show up there in the back of an ambulance, conscious or not, and packing? Make the EMTs hold it? Throw it in with the biohazard? :eek::confused:
 
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I used to work at TG and I seem to remember that the reason they maintain their not for profit status is to get State grant money. I know there are staff the cc but it is at the risk of losing their job.
 
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Metalhead47 said:
Slight tangent here:

SO if just about all hospitals/ERs ban guns, just what do they do if you show up there in the back of an ambulance, conscious or not, and packing? Make the EMTs hold it? Throw it in with the biohazard? :eek::confused:
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If I remember correctly from my days at Saddleback Hospital ER it is a call security have them confiscate it and tag it and wait for police to arrive and obtain/question the individual.

Then again that was in the "state of Mexico" where guns are not allowed apparently and people must throw rocks at each other. (unless they are GB's and then it is ok for them to do whatever...)
 
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devildoc5 said:
while I dont necessarily agree with the rules perhaps this perspective will shed some light on how far reaching the issue of guns in hospitals really is.

Even at an army/navy hospital in the middle of Fallujah during the reinvasion of this Iraqi city there was a NO WEAPONS policy. Yes you read that right IN THE MIDDLE OF A WAR ZONE there is still not a firearm allowed in a hospital.

Reasoning behind this? I am not sure.

Not trying to say it is right or wrong but if Marines and Soldiers cant even have weapons in a forward located medevac hospital or Shock Trauma Platoon hospital then why would it makes sense for hospitals here to allow them in the "safety and peace" of everyday America?

Again I am not condoning this line of thinking, just pointing out that this is possibly the root of all evil, at least when it comes to the firearms and hospitals thing.....
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Not sure about over there, but I'm pretty sure a hospital here can't turn away a police officer on official duty. Seems pretty whack that their laws over there don't override private business policies.
 
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well I know that here a LEO doing there job can pretty much carry anywhere they want (except past the TSA checkpoints, but that is another story altogether).

I think one of the main reasons for the rule over there is because of the hospital also treating enemy combatants who, if they did obtain a weapon in a hospital where no one is armed, it could be a REALLY REALLY big problem.

Although I am not too sure about that.

As it relates to stateside I know that LEO can enter a hospital armed, I have seen it before.

I have also seen where LEO are not allowed to ride in the back of an ambulance to escort a patient without relinquishing their sidearm though....(again another story for another time)
 
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Metalhead47 said:
Slight tangent here:

SO if just about all hospitals/ERs ban guns, just what do they do if you show up there in the back of an ambulance, conscious or not, and packing? Make the EMTs hold it? Throw it in with the biohazard? :eek::confused:
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This was on another thread not to long ago by someone who WAS in an accident and was carrying. I believe it was here in Washington, but not sure. The LEO took his gun for safe keeping (he was conscious) , and he was able to retrieve it after he got out of the hospital and was able to drive to go get it. I seem to remember that either he was in Marysville or had to go there to retrieve his gun. So from that, I would assume that law enforcement stores it for you until you are able to retrieve it. This thread was somewhere around May or June of this year; I was new to the forum and I asked this same question since I have been involved in a couple of accidents(not my fault) in the last 4 years.
 
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devildoc5 said:
well I know that here a LEO doing there job can pretty much carry anywhere they want (except past the TSA checkpoints, but that is another story altogether).

I think one of the main reasons for the rule over there is because of the hospital also treating enemy combatants who, if they did obtain a weapon in a hospital where no one is armed, it could be a REALLY REALLY big problem.

Although I am not too sure about that.

As it relates to stateside I know that LEO can enter a hospital armed, I have seen it before.

I have also seen where LEO are not allowed to ride in the back of an ambulance to escort a patient without relinquishing their sidearm though....(again another story for another time)
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Makes sense. The escorting thing is probably a safety issue. Officers are also not allowed to be armed inside of a place of incarceration due to safety reasons. I can't remember the site, but I remember reading the guidelines that had to be followed for officers to carry beyond the TSA checkpoint. I think they needed permission from their Chief or Sheriff, and had to meet a few other requirements. I'll see if I can find it, because now I'm curious again.
 
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