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Ah, that didn't take long. Here it is

http://www.tsa.gov/lawenforcement/programs/traveling_with_guns.shtm

The Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service maintains oversight of the Law Enforcement Officers Flying Armed training program. This training program is mandatory for all Law Enforcement Officers flying armed under Code of Federal Regulation CFR 1544.219 Carriage of Accessible Weapons.

The training material for this program is comprised of a structured lesson plan, slide presentation, FAQ's, and applicable codes of federal regulation. This material is provided to other federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies and departments to properly instruct their officers on the subject of flying on board commercial aircraft while armed. The material covered includes protocols in the handling of prohibited items, prisoner transport and dealing with an act of criminal violence aboard an aircraft.

The program training material may be obtained by emailing the Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service, Office of Training and Workforce Programs, Training Policy and Development Division, Operations Branch at LEOFA@dhs.gov with the following information:

* Full Name
* Agency Name
* Agency Address & Number
* Supervisor Name & Number

For time sensitive requests please call 1-703-487-3100 between the core business hours of 9:00am to 5:00 pm Eastern. To ensure uniform and consistent instruction of the program, the training material will only be disseminated to the training division of the requesting agency.

On July 15, 2009 the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) will no longer accept the original letter of authority for the purpose of flying while armed. State, Local, and Territorial LEOs flying armed must submit a National Law Enforcement Telecommunications System (NLETS) message prior to travel. The NLETS message sent by the employing agency will replace the current original letter of authority, signed by the chief or agency head, required under 49 CFR 1544.219. Once the NLETS message is received by TSA, a return NLETS message will be sent to the employing agency with an eight character Unique Alphanumeric Identifier for verification at the airport on the day of travel. This change is being implemented to provide a more secure means of confirming the identity of LEOs, since the Original Letter of Authority can be counterfeited. The current procedures for federal LEOs flying armed remains unchanged.

Failure to use the NLETS message in lieu of the Original Letter of Authority (Commonly referred to as the “Chief’s Letter”) will result in denial to the sterile area for failure to comply with the “Letter of Authority” requirement delineated in 49 CFR 1544.219.

A general overview of the program can also be found on the FBI's Law Enforcement Online system which is only available to persons duly employed by a law enforcement, criminal justice, or public safety agency. To request access to the FBI's Law Enforcement Online system, please contact their program office at (888) 334-4536 or e-mail membership@leo.gov.

For general questions or guidance related to Law Enforcement Officers flying armed, please contact the Office of Law Enforcement/Federal Air Marshal Service, Liaison Division. Their e-mail address is: LEOFA@dhs.gov.

The links on this web page should only be used by federal, state, and local law enforcement agencies and departments who are seeking information on the subject of flying on board commercial aircraft while armed. Please do not submit inquiries about employment opportunities to the above e-mail addresses.

actually you are talking about two different things here. The one you posted was in regards to LEO's flying armed on the plane. Previously we had been discussing armed LEO's going to the boarding gates with weapons, which are two different things.

I believe however you are right about needing not only authorization from their sheriff or COP but also needing the TSA's HMFIC at that airport's authorization as well.

In regards to the flying armed for LEO's that is a training course that gives them an extra endorsement on their badger card that allows them to fly armed as long as they have an authorization letter or call that NLETS number you posted previously.

Military and civilian hospitals

The reason for no weapons in a military hospital in the middle of a war zone - the fighting is done, the medical staff do not need a medicated and/or emotionally distraunt soldier with a weapon going nuts to either do themselves in or take it out on the world around them. Focus in this situation is to get you patched up not make more unnecessary holes.

Hospitals around in Washington is a mix of private (for profit) and public hospital that are partially supported by taxes.
http://awphd.org/Members/members_map.aspx

Hospitals have a no weapons policy and trespass can be issued so that is how they would get you. You would be asked to leave and if refused then you will be talking to some local PD folks. Not worth the hassle.

FYI:
Harborview also has a metal detector - I believe they use it during the evening hours and weekends when you are accessing the Emergency Room.

oldkim thanks for the clarification on that, I was a corpsman for almost 6 years and did not fully understand the reasoning.... I figured it had to be something like that. I was kinda using that as a compare and contrast sort of thingiemajigerbobdeal....

Hospitals have a no weapons policy and trespass can be issued so that is how they would get you. You would be asked to leave and if refused then you will be talking to some local PD folks. Not worth the hassle.

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Back in 2000 Washington State L&I wanted hospitals & clinics to find a way to reduce the number of assaults to hospital personal. One of those ways was to not have weapons in the facility. Hospitals decided to have GFZ's and WFZ's in order to reduce the number of assaults and also to reduce the amount of their insurance.... I'll find that article and repost it.

devildoc5 said:

well I know that here a LEO doing there job can pretty much carry anywhere they want (except past the TSA checkpoints, but that is another story altogether).

I think one of the main reasons for the rule over there is because of the hospital also treating enemy combatants who, if they did obtain a weapon in a hospital where no one is armed, it could be a REALLY REALLY big problem.

Although I am not too sure about that.

As it relates to stateside I know that LEO can enter a hospital armed, I have seen it before.

I have also seen where LEO are not allowed to ride in the back of an ambulance to escort a patient without relinquishing their sidearm though....(again another story for another time)

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Also, I'm sure there are some situations where LEO will be able to carry past TSA checkpoints for emergency situations. For example, if some madman just straight up runs through the checkpoint with a firearm, I guarantee it won't be long before more than one armed officer shows up and takes him out.

I havent seen any Hospital that allows guns. Oddly you would think they would be for it. What better place to shoot someone. In today economy you would think they would appreciate the business.

Oops, edited to extend a welcome to OCDO, although next time Open Carry to tacoma general so it fits the forum better.

Aaron1124 said:

The hospital is a private, non government organization. They can refuse service at their discretion. I think their policies are stupid, but I can't do anything about it, except not go there.

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I dont believe thats entirely true. If they refuse service on the ability or rather the inability to pay isnt that called patient dumping?

j2l3 said:

Nice.... especially since the security officer was correct.

You paint with a broad brush. "Some" security officers are goofs who deserve your comments.

MOST do not.

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Yeah, sorry. I posted in haste. I guess I was falling into the trap of movie propaganda. Of course we still can't rely on security or cops to know all the laws for us. I guess that's why we're here discussing the issue.

Very true, so we all learn together.

Lovenox said:

I dont believe thats entirely true. If they refuse service on the ability or rather the inability to pay isnt that called patient dumping?

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You are correct. They cannot refuse service. They can "divert" but they have to have a justifiable reason for doing so. Otherwise, you show up to be treated and you get treated.