Results 1 to 10 of 10

Thread: Malls?

  1. #1
    Regular Member Big Boy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    STL, MO
    Posts
    443

    Malls?

    Pretty positive malls are good and legal to carry in, but for some reason I have it in the back of my head that you aren't supposed to. Something about the number of people?

    Just to make sure, it is legal to carry into a mall right? Just up to the mall to post signs?

    Any one know if Independence Center has signs posted? I'm going there tomorrow.

  2. #2
    Regular Member cshoff's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    , Missouri, USA
    Posts
    687
    There is no law in Missouri against carry into shopping malls. Under RSMO 571.107.1 (15), private property owners may post their buildings so as to warn folks who might enter that firearms are not welcome. Keep in mind that a mall or any other private property does NOT need to be posted with a sign before the people in charge of said property can restrict who can or can't enter and with what. Even if there are no signs, if you walk in with your firearm and they don't want you there with it, you can still be denied access to the building or removed from the building.
    Last edited by cshoff; 08-13-2010 at 08:23 AM.

  3. #3
    Regular Member Big Boy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    STL, MO
    Posts
    443
    Yep. Absolutely. It's private property, if they don't want my gun there, I shall go somewhere else.

  4. #4
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Phoenix, AZ
    Posts
    613
    Ward Parkway Mall in KC is off limits. They have tiny illegible signs on the driveway that cannot possibly read as you are exiting traffic on State Line RD. I found out when I saw 2 security guards circling me as I shopped and eventually asked me to leave and informed me of the signage.

    They had this policy in place when someone decided to shoot 2 people not too long ago near the Target. I guess some people don't learn. They had to wait for the police to show up to stop him...
    http://www.kmbc.com/r/13219012/detail.html
    This happened across the street from my place of employment. I USED to shop there but no more...

  5. #5
    Regular Member Jaysann22's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    St Louis
    Posts
    109
    Quote Originally Posted by peterarthur View Post
    Ward Parkway Mall in KC is off limits. They have tiny illegible signs on the driveway that cannot possibly read as you are exiting traffic on State Line RD. I found out when I saw 2 security guards circling me as I shopped and eventually asked me to leave and informed me of the signage.

    They had this policy in place when someone decided to shoot 2 people not too long ago near the Target. I guess some people don't learn. They had to wait for the police to show up to stop him...
    http://www.kmbc.com/r/13219012/detail.html
    This happened across the street from my place of employment. I USED to shop there but no more...
    Thats just sad and it riles me up something fierce. A tragedy such as that happening and then they BAN firearms? they should be ENCOURAGED after such a horrible event. When are businessmen, politicians, and citizens going to realize that a simple posted sign is NOT going to deter criminals. The whole reason why criminals are criminals is because they DONT follow the rules. A simple sign does nothing but force away potential heros and makes the area an easy target for predators. They might as well paint a bullseye target on the front door of the business....
    Last edited by Jaysann22; 08-13-2010 at 12:05 PM.

  6. #6
    Campaign Veteran ComSec's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    Lees Summit, Missouri, USA
    Posts
    444
    The only mall in the area that I have found it legal to OC is the Great Mall in Olathe, KS, all the malls around have the NO WEAPONS junk, when your diving into Ind. Center Mall look at the LITTLE sign as you drive it

    I had a nice long chat with the guards one day I made them show me where it was writen LOL 15 minutes later they got me the list of rules of the mall and even walk out side to show me the no gun sign, but he could not find it LOL, but I noticed the no weapons sign on the road as I exited the mall

  7. #7
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    South KC, Raytown
    Posts
    61
    Quote Originally Posted by ComSec View Post
    The only mall in the area that I have found it legal to OC is the Great Mall in Olathe, KS, all the malls around have the NO WEAPONS junk, when your diving into Ind. Center Mall look at the LITTLE sign as you drive it

    I had a nice long chat with the guards one day I made them show me where it was writen LOL 15 minutes later they got me the list of rules of the mall and even walk out side to show me the no gun sign, but he could not find it LOL, but I noticed the no weapons sign on the road as I exited the mall
    Had the same conversation with mall security. He asked one of the Independence Police officers in the mall where the sign was. Gotta love blind faith. I would assume that a place like that would have a little bit better training program for their security.

  8. #8
    Accomplished Advocate
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    1,924
    Quote Originally Posted by ALOTAGLOCK View Post
    Had the same conversation with mall security. He asked one of the Independence Police officers in the mall where the sign was. Gotta love blind faith. I would assume that a place like that would have a little bit better training program for their security.
    WHAAT!!!!

    perhaps they need the geko!!! Long live the mall ninja!

  9. #9
    Regular Member Big Boy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    STL, MO
    Posts
    443
    Yeah Independence Center has the same thing. Tiny little sign posted at the center of the lane when you enter. Any one properly paying attention to cross traffic and their turn would never ever see it. I just so happened to notice it on accident, so I didn't carry.

    There is absolutely nothing posted on their doors.

  10. #10
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Mo.
    Posts
    279
    Quote Originally Posted by Big Boy View Post
    Pretty positive malls are good and legal to carry in, but for some reason I have it in the back of my head that you aren't supposed to. Something about the number of people?

    Just to make sure, it is legal to carry into a mall right? Just up to the mall to post signs?

    Any one know if Independence Center has signs posted? I'm going there tomorrow.
    Quote Originally Posted by cshoff View Post
    There is no law in Missouri against carry into shopping malls. Under RSMO 571.107.1 (15), private property owners may post their buildings so as to warn folks who might enter that firearms are not welcome. Keep in mind that a mall or any other private property does NOT need to be posted with a sign before the people in charge of said property can restrict who can or can't enter and with what. Even if there are no signs, if you walk in with your firearm and they don't want you there with it, you can still be denied access to the building or removed from the building.

    +1000 and buyer beware! The malls WILL attempt to trap you in the Statute you'll use to carry, so carry VERY cautiously. We already have this problem at Battlefield Mall in Springfield. Here's what they will do.

    Postings, per statute, have to meet the specific size requirements...this they do not have a problem with and will rapidly correct if addressed. They also are aware that they do not need to post EVERY entrance accessible to the public, they merely need to post at a public entry in a conspicuous manner. To the anti-2A mall-rat, this translates to them only needing to post just 1 public entry and they would be legal under the statute.

    At that point they will have you trapped in carrying in a posted location and could report that to the Sheriff. So I'll stress this again....

    Buyer beware!
    Last edited by heresyourdipstickjimmy; 08-17-2010 at 10:25 PM.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •