Probably not. They are civil forfeitures.
Thread: Ordinance Violation / Jury Trial
Can an ordinance violation be taken to a jury trial?
Probably not. They are civil forfeitures.
In the case of a municipal ordinance violation, yes, I believe that is the case though more likely a magistrate than a judge. In the case of a federal asset forfeiture -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asset_f...#United_States
Locally, we cannot cite our ordinances for lack of a magistrate and so cite Door County Ordinances instead - and Door Co. takes all of the forfeiture value. Poo! Any one have a link to Door County Ordinances? I don't.
You actually have 3 options: 1) You may appeal by requesting a circuit court judge to review the case, 2) you may request a new trial before a circuit court judge, or, 3) you may request a new trial with the 6-person jury in a circuit court.
Any of these appeal options must be made within 20 days of the municipal court's judgment.
Last edited by Shotgun; 08-13-2010 at 01:14 PM.
The specifics of appealing a municipal court case are found in the statutes: Chapter 800.14
Heh heh heh - my hair-splitting Occam's Razor is +4 standard deviations sharp! You can read that as 'very very very very' sharp like me.Originally Posted by § 800.01
Last edited by Doug Huffman; 08-13-2010 at 01:37 PM.
In philosophy grad school, we referred to it as "Ockham's eraser" at times.
BTW Doug, have you ever read Nietzsche's little autobiography? It's good.
Yes you did, thank you.
Have you looked at the ordinances there? I have. Considering our common interest in firearms law, for instance, they aren't very informative or helpful. I also struggle with police procedure, zoning, traffic, et cetera.
Here is the zoning ordinance; http://map.co.door.wi.us/planning/zoning_ordinance.htm for instance - evidence that I am familiar with the Door Co. web site.
About the OP, I think you answered with a quick search but without reading or understanding.
And to go on ... as I am damned as an elite often here on OCDO. I am a high school graduate retired 1995 at 47 y.o. as a GS-12 nuclear engineering technician(position) Shift Test Engineer (title) after 26 years federal civil service during which I attended technical schools and liberal arts colleges nearly continuously. And here's anonymous someone suggesting a postgraduate degree in philosophy! Here's my current job description (it used to say 'equivalent to a postgraduate engineer)
Last edited by Doug Huffman; 08-13-2010 at 02:40 PM.
The only thing I needed to check was which chapter of the statutes covered it. Back when Brad Krause was in municipal court we-- or at least some of us-- brushed up on municipal court procedures.
No, I haven't read those books. But if you think I might benefit from them I can add them to my reading list. I'm not sure how much time I want to invest reading about atomic energy or reactors, or what relevance it has to anything that interests me, although I once saw the Three Mile Island site emerge from the fog as I was driving one rainy night and that was sort of cool, at least visually. But I figured if I had a nuclear reactor question pop up I'd just ask you.
The other book might actually be somewhat interesting to me because over the past few decades I have had a ever-increasing appreciation for Hobbes' philosophical approach. And, I enjoy studying the genealogy of ideas. It could prove interesting to see where someone has taken Hobbesian thought. Thanks for the recommendation!
It is a pity, although not surprising, that OCDO topics rarely delve into the joyful and highly entertaining world of nuclear fission. You're ahead of your time man! If only we were armed with something nuclear instead of these damned archaic chemical energy-based weapons. If we at least shot depleted Uranium rounds you'd be right in your element! (unintended pun.) I suppose depleted Uranium rounds don't interest you much because they aren't "glowing" enough. But take comfort in the knowledge that Lead and Uranium aren't all that far apart on the periodic table.
I guess I got the luck of the draw (puns should not come that easily) with OCDO because it does more frequently venture into areas related to my academic experience. But you try hard, and I give you credit for that. Really.
Oh come on Phred! I was trying to cheer Doug up by showing him that, while we are not exactly talking about nuclear materials, we aren't too far away. If you keep pointing out differences he'll be depressed! Help me out here!
But since you mentioned it, why can't a physicist, such as yourself, come up with an effective way so we common people CAN have depleted Uranium rounds --without spending an arm and a leg and a few radioactively damaged chromosomes in the process?
Homemade nuclear reactors in the basement aren't dangerous? My preexisting world view says they are.
See that's why I said I would ask you the nuclear questions! Now what the hell am I going to do with all these expensive black market centrifuges and and other crap I've got laying around? Come on over and help me whip up a batch! Of something! Flubber maybe?
American Idol? Ummmm, could be some philosophical lessons there. Political philosophy, e.g., democracy, a bit on aesthetics here and there. But it is meager, very meager indeed. Most of it's profundity left with Paula Abdul, don't you think?
Let 's pause for a moment, I need to get more popcorn and soda.
I got the beer! LOL
Shotgun and Doug. You guys break me up and here I sit, a lowly retired computer design engineer that helped design the computers that are installed on all surface navy ships, titan rocket guidance sytem, Trident Nuclear Submarines, minuteman Missle, Stealth bomber, F-18 fighter, Harpoon missle and some others. My mother said I would never amount to anything. She always introduced me as "meet my son, the failure". Whoa is me. Now all I can do is sit and read posts on a gun rights forum and try to deduce what they have to do with open carry. I think I vaguely remember that there is a feature on this forum named Private Mesages.
Last edited by Captain Nemo; 08-14-2010 at 08:43 AM.