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OT- Legality of shooting on one's own land?

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Matt85

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ive got a couple buddies over on the island and from what i understand the onley thing they would get you for is the noise ordinance. im not sure if the above zoning requirements actually affect you since you arent actually setting up a range.

wheres a lawyer when you need one? :)
 
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A smart lawyer charges...

So, lawyer's aren't dumb (well, you know). Ain't going to step into a pile of questions without a "retainer."

You have to remember this is how they make a living.

So, back on topic - why invite the hassle factor?

Unless you know for sure. I've seen other forums and how they set up their "home ranges" and it's almost pitiful in regards to what some folks feel is "safe." When you have neighbors less than 100 yards from you it's too close. Noise and also anything else.

Think of it this way: is it worth your house? - your career? - your family's name? One or all can be called into question.
 
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oldkim said:
So, lawyer's aren't dumb (well, you know). Ain't going to step into a pile of questions without a "retainer."

You have to remember this is how they make a living.

So, back on topic - why invite the hassle factor?

Unless you know for sure. I've seen other forums and how they set up their "home ranges" and it's almost pitiful in regards to what some folks feel is "safe." When you have neighbors less than 100 yards from you it's too close. Noise and also anything else.

Think of it this way: is it worth your house? - your career? - your family's name? One or all can be called into question.
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Next house I build I intend to have 300' of 6' Dia Culvert buried first. Then build the basement at one end. Close it off with a door that looks like a concrete wall. Add some lighting, ventilation/filtering equipment, and I'll have 100 yards right in my basement. All I'll need to do is hide the culvert and "door" somehow from the building inspector. Maybe I'll just cut in the door after I get the Certificate of Occupancy.
 
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amlevin said:
Next house I build I intend to have 300' of 6' Dia Culvert buried first. Then build the basement at one end. Close it off with a door that looks like a concrete wall. Add some lighting, ventilation/filtering equipment, and I'll have 100 yards right in my basement. All I'll need to do is hide the culvert and "door" somehow from the building inspector. Maybe I'll just cut in the door after I get the Certificate of Occupancy.
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You don't need permits for "bomb shelters".
Hiding making a door is easy. Seperate the section you want the door inside your forms, several ways you can do this. The only real inspection of your foundation is the forming and rebar part. before you pour concrete do what you want. Ive built some pretty cool things like this into houses over the years.

And if you can afford it connexes are way better than culvert pipe.
 
Metalhead47

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oldkim said:
So, lawyer's aren't dumb (well, you know). Ain't going to step into a pile of questions without a "retainer."

You have to remember this is how they make a living.

So, back on topic - why invite the hassle factor?

Unless you know for sure. I've seen other forums and how they set up their "home ranges" and it's almost pitiful in regards to what some folks feel is "safe." When you have neighbors less than 100 yards from you it's too close. Noise and also anything else.

Think of it this way: is it worth your house? - your career? - your family's name? One or all can be called into question.
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Why invite the hassle? Because it's my home and I should have the right to do as I wish there as long as it's not directly harming or endangering anyone. Knowing for sure is exactly what I'm trying to accomplish, but of course the laws on the matter are a big legaleze gray area. If this thing can't even punch through half the thickness of a sheet of plywood, I think 100 yards of hill & blackberry thicket is pretty durn safe :p
 
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oldkim

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connex....

Yes, I have put some thought over the years about using connex or empty trailers. This came to me over a report back east on how some illegal growing of weeds were done.

Bury, connnect, add lighting and some ventilation a few together and you have a ready made lane to shoot.
I wonder how deep for sound suppresion?

Oooh, if you add some concrete and rebar you can have a "shelter" too. Nice.
 
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I agree with Metal on the bother too it is his property, our property rights have been too eroded in this country.

Sorry Metal for straying off topic, but when it comes to depth you only need relatively little cover over the connex. The best bet is to be able to surround it with at least a foot of gravel for drainage and a foot of earth over filter cloth, sound don't travel well through earth. But if you go too deep you have to worry about the stress on the ceiling. (If it's cut and fill). You can always put acoustic absorbing material on your ceiling and walls if you are worried about it. Which would help with the sound inside the containers too.
 
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sudden valley gunner said:
I agree with Metal on the bother too it is his property, our property rights have been too eroded in this country.

Sorry Metal for straying off topic, but when it comes to depth you only need relatively little cover over the connex. The best bet is to be able to surround it with at least a foot of gravel for drainage and a foot of earth over filter cloth, sound don't travel well through earth. But if you go too deep you have to worry about the stress on the ceiling. (If it's cut and fill). You can always put acoustic absorbing material on your ceiling and walls if you are worried about it. Which would help with the sound inside the containers too.
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Naw it's all good, sounds fascinating. 300' of buried culvert could be useful for all sortsa stuff... like bury a couple of used shipping containers at the other end... no permit needed for a bomb shelter hmmm... (although one does, apparently, need a permit to take a leak on one's own land :banghead:)
 
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Get the federal land patent for your property. That is the highest title to the property.
It is treaty law then, outside of government control.
 
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Butch00 said:
Get the federal land patent for your property. That is the highest title to the property.
It is treaty law then, outside of government control.
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Sure, who do I have to shoot to get one (being as it's a treaty & all)?:shocker:

Actually it's not my land at all, I'm renting. So anything that needs a permit or the like is beyond me.
 
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