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    Exclamation Remington ‘security’ 8-shot 12-ga. Shotgun

    Hey guys, i know this isnt a hangun, but i need your input. Is this shotgun a very good quality? Is it a good deal?

    I know that CA passed a law requiring tumbprints for buying ammos. Is that law effective now?

    thanks

    click on the link, its the 1st gun on the top right hand side.

    http://big5sportinggoods.shoplocal.c...1&pagenumber=3

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    Quote Originally Posted by twindragons View Post
    Hey guys, i know this isnt a hangun, but i need your input. Is this shotgun a very good quality? Is it a good deal?

    I know that CA passed a law requiring tumbprints for buying ammos. Is that law effective now?

    thanks

    click on the link, its the 1st gun on the top right hand side.

    http://big5sportinggoods.shoplocal.c...1&pagenumber=3
    does not state if 870 or if junk made in china and on the gun it says "for use in the republik of Californication, no firing pin included." how in the hell does anyone want to live in a communist state? i give a crap it is a beautiful state in some areas but now thumb prints guess they commies that run the state want total control. would be funny for everyone to leave there and we put a fence up along the border states and keep the politicians in there kind of like cage wrestling. anway here is your answer....

    February 1st, 2011 handgun ammunition vendors will be required to obtain a thumb fingerprint and driver's license from buyers

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    Remington "Security" Shotgun?

    Quote Originally Posted by twindragons View Post
    Hey guys, i know this isnt a hangun, but i need your input. Is this shotgun a very good quality? Is it a good deal?

    I know that CA passed a law requiring tumbprints for buying ammos. Is that law effective now?

    thanks

    click on the link, its the 1st gun on the top right hand side.

    http://big5sportinggoods.shoplocal.c...1&pagenumber=3
    I am not sure about this, but I think that the manufacturers picked up on the fact that people wanted short barreled, slide action shotguns for home defense. The Remington 870 is one of the best "garden variety" shotguns around, so if it was an 870, the ad would say so. I would assume it is a cheaper model made in China; I don't know.

    My brother bought a New England Firearm (NEF) "Security" shotgun from Dick's Sporting Goods in the Peoples Republic of Maryland. He likes it and says it shoots fine, but he was only at shooting plastic water bottles from the hip, not skeet. It was $200.00, so I think the price is VERY high.

    You would be better off buying the Remington 870 and then purchasing an separate short barrel...in my opinion.

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    My Evil Black Shotgun house gun is an 870 that I bought for less than $200 and then sent to Wilson Combat Arms for an overhaul.

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    The Remington "Security" is an 870 variant. It has a shorter barrel (18" I believe) and a 8-shot tube. It can fire 2 3/4 and 3" shells, but is not rated for Magnum loads. You can shoot anything through it except rifled slugs.

    The receiver is a standard 870 receiver. The barrel is a littl eon the cheap side, because it's not designed for the heavy use and abuse of hunting or trap/skeet shooting. It's designed for DEFENSE--meaning it's not designed to shoot all the time.

    But it IS a Remington 870, which means it should be a good gun. You can probably get a better price on it though. Shop around.

    Look at the Mossberg 500 "Field/Security Combo" model (#54169). I got one with wood furniture, and it came with an 18.5" AND a 28" vent-rib, ported barrel so I can use it for hunting/sporting and defense. And if you want it REALLY short, it also comes with a factory pistol grip (polymer). It has a 6-round tube though, so it's only a 6+1 shotgun, and the Mossberg design requires replacing the barrel if I want to install a longer magazine tube. But I think that 7 rounds of 12ga are probably about 6 more than most folks are going to need in a typical home-defense situation...

    http://www.mossberg.com/products/def...&display=specs

    I got it for a tad over $300, and it is a VERY nice gun. Two barrels, smooth action, and the wood furniture helps keep the "tacticool" factor low in case I ever have to face a hostile DA. And since it sits in the house most of the time (or is only on the range outside when the weather is nice, for shooting "5-Stand"...) the wood furniture is holding up perfectly.

    You might also check out Gunbroker.com. You can get some FANTASTIC deals there--even with the shipping and transfer fees added on...
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    Mossberg 590 is better in my opinion . it's used by the Military, in combat roles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock34 View Post
    Mossberg 590 is better in my opinion . it's used by the Military, in combat roles.

    Without a doubt the Mossy 590 is a better gun than the 500. The receiver is beefier, the sights are better, the barrel is heavier, and the forearm rails are much more stout. It's a "battle-grade" pump gun, and it built like a tank...

    It also costs about 2.5 times what a box-stock 500 does...

    For now, I'm VERY happy with my Mossberg 500. It's solid, accurate, easy to clean, and has almost as many aftermarket goodies as a Remington 870 if I want to go that route...

    But yeah, a Mossberg 590 is DEFINITELY on my "wish list"...
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    I just picked up another one, {{ I already have one }} this one is ( gonna be a christmas gift for my brother) from the gun store used for $ 295.00, like new condish. new they go for about $ 500 ish
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glock34 View Post
    Mossberg 590 is better in my opinion . it's used by the Military, in combat roles.
    Plus you can put a bayonet on it!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrayingForWar View Post
    Plus you can put a bayonet on it!!
    +1
    Nothing says don't **** with me like 9 rounds of buckshot and a big ass blade on the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simmonsjoe View Post
    +1
    Nothing says don't **** with me like 9 rounds of buckshot and a big ass blade on the end.
    I like my Mossy 500, have been very happy with it.

    BTW, Throw in a few slugs for good measure ;-)

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    Buds Gun Shop has their most popular home defense shotgun on sale for 185 shipped to your FFL.

    http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/91401

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    Aquila mini shells?

    Did anyone ever try any of the Aquila 1 3/4 mini shells? I saw them around for awhile and then they seemed to disappear. I do recall that certain brands had to have slight mods. to fire them(I think Mossy). I just thought for home defense they might make more sense. You don't need a wide spread for home defense. I was just wondering if anyone had any first hand experiance with them.
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    I bought a box of 10rds and put 8 of em through my 590. The action has to be cycled pretty quick for them to feed right. I wouldn't trust em for home defense. They did get a lot of looks though.

    They're still available at www.ammotogo.com

    http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index..../12-gauge-slug

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    Quote Originally Posted by flb_78 View Post
    I bought a box of 10rds and put 8 of em through my 590. The action has to be cycled pretty quick for them to feed right. I wouldn't trust em for home defense. They did get a lot of looks though.

    They're still available at www.ammotogo.com

    http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index..../12-gauge-slug

    Too bad they don't make them in buckshot loads...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamer View Post
    Too bad they don't make them in buckshot loads...
    Here ya go.

    http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=162922

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    Quote Originally Posted by flb_78 View Post
    muzzle velocity is 336fps. does anyone else think this may lead to inadequate penetration?
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    Quote Originally Posted by simmonsjoe View Post
    muzzle velocity is 336fps. does anyone else think this may lead to inadequate penetration?

    Hmmm... At 20 feet would that even get through a standard leather motorcycle jacket?...

    336fps is slower than some Airsoft rifles...
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    Here's a couple for you guys looking. I'm a little partial to the 870, and these are both Mossys, but at good deals. A 590 and a 500:

    http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/55292

    http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/39622

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    +1 on a Mossberg.
    I own a 500 and love it. I have been looking at the "Persuader" (#50411) and thinking of getting one.
    http://www.mossberg.com/images/Mossb.../New/50411.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by simmonsjoe View Post
    muzzle velocity is 336fps. does anyone else think this may lead to inadequate penetration?
    Im thinking that's a misprint because the slug does 1250fps.

    Technical Information
    Gauge: 12
    Shell Length: 1-3/4"
    Slug Type: Lead Rifled
    Slug Weight: 7/8 oz

    Ballistics Information:
    Muzzle Velocity: 1250 fps

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    Those mini's look interesting, although I don't think I'd use those for self defense loads:

    "MOSSBERGS 500/590s will cycle Minishells pretty well once the shooter acquires a "feeling" as to how to pump the action; however, this will not prevent the occasional jam. "

    The occasional jam is unacceptable to me... the 500 is chambered in 3" 12 ga., by using 2 3/4" 12 ga., I can load 5 in the tube one in the chamber. I figure with 6 rnds total, if I can't hit my target, I might as well give them my firearm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merc460 View Post
    +1 on a Mossberg.
    I own a 500 and love it. I have been looking at the "Persuader" (#50411) and thinking of getting one.
    http://www.mossberg.com/images/Mossb.../New/50411.jpg
    I like the name - lol. Right up there with the defender.

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    I had at 20" 870 4+1 and went out and got the tactical 870 6+1 with 18" barrel.

    Shortly after that I saw mag extensions were available for 7+1 and 8+1 for about $70.

    I had my local gunsmith file down the "dimples" inside my 870 mag tube and added the 3 extension for 7+1. Turns out I probably could have gone with the 8+1 extension because of the length of my barrel but didn't want to take the chance that the mag tube would extend beyond the barrel.

    So if I knew about the mag extension first I probably wouldn't have paid the $300 for the 870 tactical (including shipping and transfer).

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