Why do you feel the need to keep pushing your Republican hate and Obama love crap here? Obama and the liberal party today are the greatest enemies of gun owners! This has been proven over and over again but apparently you don’t get it.
I read Dr Todd's response cherry picking a few examples throughout time (parties change over time) that does not make him the end all authority or end of anything. You can keep quoting him (as that somehow brings validity to your asinine argument) and saying what you want but drawing such conclusions just shows the depth of your thought process.
Here are some Obama quotes/votes on gun issues taken from “on the isseues.org”:
•Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)
•FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
•Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)
•Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)
•2000: cosponsored bill to limit purchases to 1 gun per month. (Oct 2007)
•Concealed carry OK for retired police officers. (Aug 2007)
•Stop unscrupulous gun dealers dumping guns in cities. (Jul 2007)
•Keep guns out of inner cities--but also problem of morality. (Oct 2006)
•Bush erred in failing to renew assault weapons ban. (Oct 2004)
•Ban semi-automatics, and more possession restrictions. (Jul 1998)
•Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
That does not include his recent quotes on support for global gun regulations. His speech supporting the Mexican President when he blamed America for the border gun issues while on American soil no less. The list can go on and on but that is all the work I am going to do to try and prove a point to a person who has no interest in seeing the truth.
As for the rest of his party, explain to me why the states with the most restrictive gun laws also just happen to be controlled by the Liberals and Dems? Examples for the simple minds, IL, CT, NY, MA, MD, NJ, RI, CA, DC, and I will add WI since they have a Dem Governor that has twice vetoed the legislation to allow concealed carry for everybody (that should change this year).
Yep that sure sounds like Obama and his liberal cronies are strong friends of everyday gun owners. Get a clue!
As for the OP I will be letting LBP know how I feel about his statements.
Wolverine,
I in no way said that Obama is a friend of gun owners, nor have I spewed 'Obama love Crap'. What I was attempting to get across is that party affiliation tells you next to nothing about a candidate's stance on the RKBA. There are a number of people here who make an assumption that if someone is a Republican then they must be pro-2nd Amendment and if they are a Democrat, they must be anti-2nd Amendment.
Most people who are actively involved in firearm issues would not delineate support for the RKBA by political party, but rather as an urban v. rural issue. Although I don't entirely support such a view, I think it has more validity than your "The Republicans are great friends of gun owners" when I think the data speaks for itself.
Remember,
you are putting out there that the Repubs are such good supporters of the 2nd Amendment, I am refuring that assertion. If your argument was that the Dems were such great supporters of the RKBA, I would also refute that... NEITHER PARTY INHERENTLY SUPPORTS THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.
BTW, You have done NOTHING to prove your point. Hmm, let's see:
CA has a Republican Gov, Schwarzenegger (R) ardent "gun hater"; has signed every gun control bill that has crossed his desk.
Pataki (R) was gov of NY 1995-2006, I see he really changed the laws and Mr. Bloomberg was an (R) as Mayor of NY... now there's someone gun owners should get behind.(sarcasm) as was Guiliani... nuff said of these two ...
In MA, 4 of the last 5 governors were Republicans. Mitt Romney, candidate for US President as the Republican nominee had his 2A stance outed when he tried to pretend he was what he was not. Big 2A supporter (not)
In Maryland, they had a Republican Governor most of the decade from 2000-2010... hmm, that worked well. He must have promoted the 2nd Amendment by vetoing any new gun control legislation...hmm...not! All major peices of gun-control legislation were signed
Oh, let's take a look at New Jersey
Gov. Christie, Republican: "Christie has said that he supports strict and aggressive enforcement of the state's current gun laws. He however supports the Second Amendment's right to bear arms"
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2009/02/chris_christie_promises_change.html
IMHO, typical Republicrat response: I support draconian gun laws/ I support the 2nd Amendment
Rhode Island: Current Gov. Don Carcieri is a Republican. The Governor before him was Republican. In fact, in the last 28 years of RI politics, Republicans have held the Governorship in all but 4 years. I don't really know about RI gun laws but you seem to think they are bad
WI: 3 of the last 5 Governors were Republican. The legislature is about a 50/50 split. The last two Republican Governors vetoed numerous Concealed Carry Proposals.
IL: From 1977-2003 all the Govs were Republican. I see that a ton of gun-control laws were passed during this time... of which NONE were vetoed by the Republican Governor....
My Point: When you investigate what you have cited in reference to your argument, it falls apart very quickly.
