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    Concealed Rifle in Car, etc.

    I was reading 9.41.050, and it reads that only the concealed carrying of a pistol (gun with a barrel less than 16") is prohibited without a license, along with carrying a loaded pistol in a vehicle without a license. Without checking the hunting regs yet, I'm guessing it's not kosher to have a loaded rifle in a car, but what about concealed carry? There's a chance I'll be in WA in about a month, and I'd prefer not to have to keep my truck rifle in the bed instead of the cab while I'm there. Did I miss a section of code I should've read?

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    Quote Originally Posted by denwego View Post
    I was reading 9.41.050, and it reads that only the concealed carrying of a pistol (gun with a barrel less than 16") is prohibited without a license, along with carrying a loaded pistol in a vehicle without a license. Without checking the hunting regs yet, I'm guessing it's not kosher to have a loaded rifle in a car, but what about concealed carry? There's a chance I'll be in WA in about a month, and I'd prefer not to have to keep my truck rifle in the bed instead of the cab while I'm there. Did I miss a section of code I should've read?
    Do not have a loaded rifle in the car! that will get you big trouble! Hang on ill find the law for you. You can have the rifle anywhere in the vehicle so long as its not loaded.
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    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.460

    RCW 77.15.460

    Loaded firearm in vehicle — Unlawful use or possession — Penalty.

    (1) A person is guilty of unlawful possession of a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle if:

    (a) The person carries, transports, conveys, possesses, or controls a rifle or shotgun in or on a motor vehicle; and

    (b) The rifle or shotgun contains shells or cartridges in the magazine or chamber, or is a muzzle-loading firearm that is loaded and capped or primed.

    (2) A person is guilty of unlawful use of a loaded firearm if the person negligently shoots a firearm from, across, or along the maintained portion of a public highway.

    (3) Unlawful possession of a loaded firearm in a motor vehicle or unlawful use of a loaded firearm is a misdemeanor.

    (4) This section does not apply if the person:

    (a) Is a law enforcement officer who is authorized to carry a firearm and is on duty within the officer's respective jurisdiction;

    (b) Possesses a disabled hunter's permit as provided by RCW 77.32.237 and complies with all rules of the department concerning hunting by persons with disabilities.

    (5) For purposes of this section, a firearm shall not be considered loaded if the detachable clip or magazine is not inserted in or attached to the firearm.

    Hope this helps!

    Sorry everyone I know I am contributing to an OT thread but I felt getting OP info was important so he didnt get in trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by denwego View Post
    I was reading 9.41.050, and it reads that only the concealed carrying of a pistol (gun with a barrel less than 16") is prohibited without a license, along with carrying a loaded pistol in a vehicle without a license. Without checking the hunting regs yet, I'm guessing it's not kosher to have a loaded rifle in a car, but what about concealed carry? There's a chance I'll be in WA in about a month, and I'd prefer not to have to keep my truck rifle in the bed instead of the cab while I'm there. Did I miss a section of code I should've read?
    No loaded rifles or shotguns in vehicles (with exceptions that prove the rule):

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.460

    This is one of a handful of firearm restrictions located outside of RCW 9.41.

    Edit - - I see Ben beat me by 2 minutes. Too much lawyer thinking going on here. :-)
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    why conceal carry a rifle?

    They just pulled up the applicable laws concerning the rifle - so long as you keep it unloaded you're fine.

    Why conceal carry it? How are you going to conceal carry a rifle? Hmmm.

    Keep it simple:
    Unload it and secure it in your cab while you are here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldkim View Post
    They just pulled up the applicable laws concerning the rifle - so long as you keep it unloaded you're fine.

    Why conceal carry it? How are you going to conceal carry a rifle? Hmmm.

    Keep it simple:
    Unload it and secure it in your cab while you are here.
    I think he was talking about conceling it in the vehicle not on his person.

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    Transporting Firearms During Travel


    http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/Federal/Read.aspx?id=60


    A provision of federal law serves as a defense to state or local laws which would prohibit the passage of persons with firearms in interstate travel.
    Notwithstanding any state or local law, a person shall be entitled to transport a firearm from any place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and transport such firearm if the firearm is unloaded and in the trunk. In vehicles without a trunk, the unloaded firearm shall be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
    Federal law prohibits the carrying of any firearm, concealed or unconcealed, on or about the person or in carry-on baggage while aboard an aircraft.The Transportation Security Administration(TSA) has established certain requirements for transporting firearms and ammunition. Firearms must be carried in a locked hard sided case. Ammunition must be declared and can be transported in checked baggage or in the same container as the firearm as long the firearm is unloaded.
    Any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce must deliver the unloaded firearm into custody of the pilot, captain, conductor, or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of the trip.

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    Aye, I was never talking about carrying it for defensive purposes or loaded, just double-checking that I hadn't missed some obscure statute somewhere requiring that a longarm needed to be transported outside of the passenger compartment of a vehicle. I don't have a shell or cover for my truck bed, so "securing" it out of the cab isn't an option.

    Cable-locked to the seat frame and covered with a blanket sounds like an option, then. Thanks for the info, everyone!

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    Also you do NOT need to store your loaded mags in a separate area. They can be stored anywhere you want as long as they are not "loaded" into the weapon.

    EDIT: If you go hunting be sure to unload your long gun before placing it in the bed of the truck or even leaning it against the truck. I have heard stories of folks being ticketed for both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by END_THE_FED View Post
    Also you do NOT need to store your loaded mags in a separate area. They can be stored anywhere you want as long as they are not "loaded" into the weapon.

    EDIT: If you go hunting be sure to unload your long gun before placing it in the bed of the truck or even leaning it against the truck. I have heard stories of folks being ticketed for both.
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    30 rds of 5.56x45 at your disposal, and legally able to conceal and carry loaded in a vehicle...






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    So how exactly do you shoot one of those with that nerf bar sticking out the back?
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    I think I'd rather an AK Draco pistol even though I prefer the AR platform, because I don't like the buffer tube sticking out the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    So how exactly do you shoot one of those with that nerf bar sticking out the back?
    skiingislife has one. When I shot his, I took the buffer tube into my shoulder like a rifle stock and got hot gas in my face. Then I tried running it like a pistol, it was awkward. Best way I found is kind of in between. Get your regular cheek weld on the tube and shoot like a rifle, keeping the tube out of your shoulder.

    Or shoot from the hip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by k.rollin View Post
    skiingislife has one. When I shot his, I took the buffer tube into my shoulder like a rifle stock and got hot gas in my face. Then I tried running it like a pistol, it was awkward. Best way I found is kind of in between. Get your regular cheek weld on the tube and shoot like a rifle, keeping the tube out of your shoulder.

    Or shoot from the hip. :dodgy:

    Hm. See now I'm with you on the Draco AK pistol. No sense even trying to aim an AK that short, just shoot from the hip, spray & pray, & scream something fitting.
    An AK makes a better "stick it in the trunk & forget about it till SHTF" truck gun anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Hm. See now I'm with you on the Draco AK pistol. No sense even trying to aim an AK that short, just shoot from the hip, spray & pray, & scream something fitting.
    An AK makes a better "stick it in the trunk & forget about it till SHTF" truck gun anyway.
    If you like 5.56, but not the buffer tube, you can get a kel-tec plr-16 or a sig 556 pistol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwikrnu View Post
    If you like 5.56, but not the buffer tube, you can get a kel-tec plr-16 or a sig 556 pistol.
    I like the buffer tube. I can swap out a full size upper if I want.... Or swap a butt stock onto it as long as I have the appropriate upper on it (16"+).


    I also prefer the cheek weld the pistol buffer tube, provides more stability and accuracy than shooting from the hip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    So how exactly do you shoot one of those with that nerf bar sticking out the back?

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    I was joking when I suggested shooting from the hip. My didn't make that apparent I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoWeenie View Post
    I like the buffer tube. I can swap out a full size upper if I want.... Or swap a butt stock onto it as long as I have the appropriate upper on it (16"+).

    It is perfectly legal to make a pistol into a rifle, but it is illegal to turn it back into a pistol. Once a rifle it cannot be made into a pistol.

    PM me if you want to me to delete this quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k.rollin View Post
    I was joking when I suggested shooting from the hip. My didn't make that apparent I guess.
    Aw c'mon, shooting from the hip is always best! All those movie guys do it, and it makes then never miss or run out of ammo
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwikrnu View Post
    It is perfectly legal to make a pistol into a rifle, but it is illegal to turn it back into a pistol. Once a rifle it cannot be made into a pistol.

    PM me if you want to me to delete this quote.
    See US v. Thompson Center Arms(USSC case IIRC)

    Thompson made a pistol, as a kit that included a buttstock, and a 16" barrel, allowing the user to attach the barrel and then the buttstock thereby making a legal rifle. Attaching the buttstock with the pistol barrel constituted an SBR, and ATF attempted to sue Thompson for back taxes (they never paid for 'making an SBR'). USSC ruled FOR Thompson, saying that constructive possession did NOT apply, because it was designed primarily as a pistol, and the longer barrel and buttstock were spare parts to put it into a legal configuration.

    Once MADE as a rifle, it cannot be MADE as a pistol.

    It is MADE a pistol by registration, features, barrel length, etc. it can then be turned into a rifle configuration, and back.

    The logic (if there is any) is that pistols are regulated more. So theoretically an 18 y/o could buy a rifle and put on a pistol grip and cut down the barrel and he'd legally own a pistol under 21, which is a no-go. Now if he BUYS a pistol, puts a long barrel on it and a buttstock, it's now in a legal rifle configuration, he can then remove the longer barrel and buttsock and return it to the pistol configuration.



    My lower was transferred as an 'other',and simultaneously registered in the state as a pistol, and made AS a pistol.

    That being said, I don't have a buttstock or rifle upper, so it hasn't been configured that way. I will NOT be getting a buttstock until I get another RIFLE lower, in which case any parts I have would be considered spare parts, and can't be viewed in any way as constructive possession.

    I WOULD SBR it, except the dumb WA laws....

    I still don't F'in understand what a 200$ 'tax stamp' has to do with a buttstock and a short barrel.. W T F...


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    There are some firearms which have been sold as "kits" and are exceptions. Don't try that with your ar pistol or any other pistol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Aw c'mon, shooting from the hip is always best! All those movie guys do it, and it makes then never miss or run out of ammo
    I need to get me one of those magic movie guns. Then I'd have more money for school supplies and such. Also, reminded me of RTT-CQB Man's high speed, low drag method of getting headshots all the time (1:13).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL4soX9ml2E

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    Quote Originally Posted by k.rollin View Post
    I need to get me one of those magic movie guns. Then I'd have more money for school supplies and such. Also, reminded me of RTT-CQB Man's high speed, low drag method of getting headshots all the time (1:13).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL4soX9ml2E
    Your eyes have to be like EOTechs to do that. Only the alpha-males of King's Bay, GA have eyes like EOTechs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k.rollin View Post
    I need to get me one of those magic movie guns. Then I'd have more money for school supplies and such. Also, reminded me of RTT-CQB Man's high speed, low drag method of getting headshots all the time (1:13).

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL4soX9ml2E
    When I was a kid with a paper route in Montana, Hoot Gibson (B grade western movie actor) was at the local office. I asked how he could shoot that much with out reloading. His answer..."When you see me shoot the other guy is loading when you see him shoot I am reloading"

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