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    Las Vegas Weekend

    Hello all. I'm going to Las Vegas for a short vacation this weekend, and seeing as the NE legislator decided to invalidate my out-of-state FL CCW permit, I will have to open carry.

    What has been your experience in Las Vegas while open carrying? What kind of reaction should I expect from LVPD and the private security guards?

    I did not find a firearms policy on the Excalibur FAQs page. Does this mean they respect state OC laws or should I call them to confirm they respect state OC laws?

    Thanks!

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    You can check out the story of another OC'er here.

    I don't think vegas will give you any trouble, the casinos downtown may be less accepting, though I have not tested them personally.
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    Picture from this past weekend downtown on Fremont Street. No hassles at all.

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    I spoke to security at Excalibur and they said that weapons are not allowed in the hotel and that I would have to check my pistol into the security booth when I check in. I assume that means I can pick it up when I'm out and about.

    Have any of you run into similar situations at different hotels; as in you checked your firearm into security?

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    If you can legally conceal carry I would do that, if not I would find a different place to stay

    I would never give my weapon to a baboon I mean security guard, Now dont get me wrong, not all security are bad, But I have worked as a Slot Tech in the casinos for about 10 years and had to work close with them so I know how alot of them are

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    Check my weapon in with Hotel SECURITY?!

    I would never let them have my gun. I'd stay somewhere else.

    Police will not harass you on the strip.. they know better thank to a few people on this forum. Hotel security however could be a problem... from my experience it will not be an issue unless someone freaks. The worst they can do is ask you to leave...They cannot detain nor disarm you.

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    What I would do if I where visiting, since they have no policy telling you before you register for your stay is, simply go about your business as if it were not prohibited, then if they make an issue, tell them you want your money back. two things are possible. Being a poor economy and knowing the competition for hotel guests in Las Vegas, they will cave in and let you carry in the hotel, for the purpose of coming and going to and from your room, or they will give you your money back. If they refund the cost of your stay, also demand transportation to a competing hotel. If you've already unpacked your bags I would demand that they send up someone from guest services to pack your things for you as well. Do what ever you can to be a pain in the ass without doing anything illegal.

    DO NOT hand over your firearm to security! They will "loose it" for you. Stand your ground, make them understand that you have no qualms taking your business to another hotel. Excalibur is owned by MGM/Mirage their other properties include the MGM Grand, Mandalay Bay, Luxor, New York, New York, The Mirage and Bellagio. I work in a major Strip Hotel and as hard as this economy is on us, it's even harder on the hotel operators. It's almost impossible to be thrown out, and management is so scared that a customer will complain and get them fired that they will almost always cave in.

    This is the most important thing! If they tell you firearms are not allowed this is not the same as ordering you to leave the premises. They must specifically tell you that you are being asked to leave for there to be any trespassing violation. If they do tell you to leave, immediately do so and call your credit card company and have them stop the charges.

    I doubt it will come to that.
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    I'm with Nevada Carrier on this one. I'd do just as he suggests. Who knows, you might even get a nights stay in before they "notice" and then get a change of scenery, and your money back. Like he says, be a pain. Make it very obvious that you're being inconvenienced and that you expect to be "compensated" for that inconvenience, even if it is just to the extent of making them go out of their way to help you locate and get to a competing hotel.

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    Thanks for all your replies. I was concerned about leaving my firearm with a complete stranger and now I see my concerns were completely justified.

    I'll do my thing while ocing. If they decide to mess with me, I'll demand a refund etc.

    I have one last question: is keeping my pistol in a locked container the legal way to store it concealed? When I have it in my room, I want to make sure I do it legally.

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    The law in Nevada is that you must have a CCW in order to conceal on your person. A firearm in a briefcase carried in your hand is a concealed firearm, a firearm in a briefcase sitting on the floor on the other side of the room is not concealed within the meaning of the law. You can have it hidden in your room safe, dresser drawer, under the mattress and not violate any Nevada revised statute.

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    Then to be legal, I'd have to oc the pistol to my room.. thanks.

    And thanks to all the open carriers for working to make open carry a regular sight in Las Vegas and making it easier for the rest of us to OC there.

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    You will be surprised at how many people will not notice, start off easy, your here to have fun, we will do the activism, so if you wanna wear black pants /black gun you will hardly get a look, also there are free publications everywhere if you want to get by a security gaurd, (just to cover for a sec) you should have no problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VigilanceOfFreedom View Post
    Then to be legal, I'd have to oc the pistol to my room.. thanks.

    And thanks to all the open carriers for working to make open carry a regular sight in Las Vegas and making it easier for the rest of us to OC there.
    You could carry it in a pistol case locked with a large orange sticker that clearly announced to everyone that a firearm was contained inside. Not very subtle, and it would probably attract more attention than a firearm in a holster on your hip. I very rarely get noticed and when I open carry, people think I'm a cop, Though I dress like a detective. Be at ease the firearm on your hip isn't what creates fear; it's a nervous person with a gun that creates fear. the cooler you are with a firearm, the more acceptable it is to those around you.

    People see a guy with a holstered firearm where everyone can see it and assume that he wouldn't show everyone he had it if it were not okay to do so.
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    Anyone Know About the Tropicana?

    I have a Nevada CCW and travel there a lot. Does anyone know what the Tropicana policy is on open and concealed carrying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DON`T TREAD ON ME View Post
    You will be surprised at how many people will not notice
    Here in Reno I get Hundreds of people a day screaming and running and hollering "MAN WITH A GUN!!!" as I walk around!

    Ok not really, I guess its not like the anti's paint it! LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobF View Post
    I have a Nevada CCW and travel there a lot. Does anyone know what the Tropicana policy is on open and concealed carrying?
    To my knowledge, none of the hotels in Las Vegas have a firearms policy in print that they can produce on demand, it's all word of mouth for the most part. Just remember, If you are told to leave, you have to leave, if you are told "firearms are not allowed here" stay and be a pain in the ass. Being told firearms are not allowed is not the same as being asked to leave.

    Unless you are asked to leave, I suggest ignoring anything you are told and continue about your business.

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    @nevada carrier - I looked as well and could not find anything on their faqs page or any policy whatsoever regarding their prohibition of firearms (they prohibit pets, so if they really prohibited firearms, i expected it to be on that page).

    i'll open carry to the check-in desk and if I get to my hotel room without security breathing down my neck: great. If not, then I'll probably just go with the security gun locker bs (provided I get a written guarantee that my property will be insured by the casino).

    One last question (again =P) if they tell me no weapons are allowed [not a demand that I leave], should I ask them to point me to their sign/policy document stating weapons are not allowed?

    Thanks again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VigilanceOfFreedom View Post
    One last question (again =P) if they tell me no weapons are allowed [not a demand that I leave], should I ask them to point me to their sign/policy document stating weapons are not allowed?

    Thanks again!
    Yes, You should ask. Just be polite and respectful. Say something to the effect of, "I chose this hotel because Firearms were not prohibited, now you are telling me they are?" Until someone actually asks you to leave, keep going up the chain of command.

    I also recommend purchasing a digital audio recorder, just to cover your ass. Remember being told "there are no firearms allowed" is not the same as being asked to leave. That doesn't mean these metro dropouts we call hotel security wont change their story, you can use the audio to back up your side of the story

    DO NOT hand over your firearms to anyone. I'm guessing that you are flying in since you are coming all the way from Florida. That means you probably have a TSA approved hard sided container that you stowed your firearm in during the flight. I would leave your firearm in there tucked away inside your suitcase while you check in. Once you get to your room I would holster up.

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    If you are trespassed from a hotel after paying for a room, I'll put you in touch with a Vegas lawyer who will set things straight. Nevada has innkeeper laws prohibiting such shenanigans.

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    Ref. the post about having it concealed in your dresser or safe in the room. Inside your room you can conceal on your person w/o a permit. That is your residence for your stay.

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    Recorder, yes...

    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada carrier View Post
    Yes, You should ask. Just be polite and respectful. Say something to the effect of, "I chose this hotel because Firearms were not prohibited, now you are telling me they are?" Until someone actually asks you to leave, keep going up the chain of command.

    I also recommend purchasing a digital audio recorder, just to cover your ass. Remember being told "there are no firearms allowed" is not the same as being asked to leave. That doesn't mean these metro dropouts we call hotel security wont change their story, you can use the audio to back up your side of the story

    DO NOT hand over your firearms to anyone. I'm guessing that you are flying in since you are coming all the way from Florida. That means you probably have a TSA approved hard sided container that you stowed your firearm in during the flight. I would leave your firearm in there tucked away inside your suitcase while you check in. Once you get to your room I would holster up.
    A small digital reorder is a must. If it is your word against theirs, you loose. I carry a small sony unit that fits in a cell phone holster so people think that is what it is and are not too carefull what they say.

    TBG

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    Quote Originally Posted by john-in-reno View Post
    Here in Reno I get Hundreds of people a day screaming and running and hollering "MAN WITH A GUN!!!" as I walk around!
    You might try a different brand of deodorant. They're not screaming about the gun, they're just pointing out the guy to stay upwind of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VigilanceOfFreedom View Post
    If not, then I'll probably just go with the security gun locker bs (provided I get a written guarantee that my property will be insured by the casino).
    If you do this, talk to the hotel manager, and have HIM sign that the hotel is taking responsibility for the safety of your pistol -- if he won't do that, ask him, flat out, if he is prohibiting you from having your pistol in the hotel. GET HIS NAME. If he clears you in, make sure he tells the rent-a-cops. If he doesn't, then ask him to recommend another hotel for you to stay in, and inform him that you will be ready to check out in 15 minutes -- "do you want to send your security with me, or have someone pack and bring me my belongings, because I'm not willing to leave my expensive pistol in your care without that letter taking responsibility."

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    I dont' remember his name, but someone recently (month or so) posted about his stay in Vegas. He was from California, and he stayed at Excalibur. He posted his pictures taken from his room etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostlittlerobot View Post
    I dont' remember his name, but someone recently (month or so) posted about his stay in Vegas. He was from California, and he stayed at Excalibur. He posted his pictures taken from his room etc.
    He had a CCW and carried concealed when inside the hotels. He came to say hello while I was at work on the strip and was concealed.
    Last edited by Nevada carrier; 08-24-2010 at 03:37 AM.

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