scot623
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I talked to a reputable attorney well versed in firearm law in regards to filing an emergency injunction...$3000 retainer plus filing fees. Ouch.
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Arts, Beats, and Eats Liquor License
- Thread starter PDinDetroit
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Glock9mmOldStyle
Campaign Veteran
PD - Your heart & mind were in the right place as usual. Take care of yourself for now & we'll be ready for their BS next year. They better pray not one drunk driver "incident" makes the news. This is something LEWIS B. Patterson knows all about.
PDinDetroit
Regular Member
Any idea how we would go about FOIA'ing the Police Records for the time the festival is going on? I would think we would be interested in this information...
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Bikenut
Guest
This is exactly why it is so difficult to hold government officials/agencies accountable because....
Citizens have extremely limited personal funds to draw upon.
The government has the bottomless pockets of the taxpayer to draw from to pay legal expenses. And they use those bottomless pockets to draw the funds from . And they count on the extremely limited financial resources for the citizens as being a force that can easily, and safely, ignored as they go about using the taxpayer's own money against the taxpayers themselves.
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And they use those bottomless to draw the funds from. to...
And they use those bottomless pockets to draw the funds from.
Little did I know my forgetting the word "pockets" would more accurately portray what really is going on!!!
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fozzy71
Regular Member
It would cost less to purposely get arrested for OUIL, just to try and give them a black-eye in the press, than it would be to go through proper channels.
indeed......
You sir, are a credit to your generation. I hope to shake your hand some day.
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Bikenut
Guest
Well that is one to mark on the calendar!! I've been called many things in my lifetime but "a credit to your generation" most assuredly is a first!!
Much appreciated Fozzy71... and I hope to meet every OC'er in Michigan someday. Each and every one of you (us) is a warrior in the fight for everything that is good in the U.S. of A.. And I would consider it a great privilege to shake hands with each and every one of y'all.
springerdave
Regular Member
fozzy71
Regular Member
Sorry for the OT:
I think I sent this in a PM but it is not showing in my sent messages list, so I am reposting here:
'I work from home, and do not have a car currently, so I don't travel very far from roseville/home. Any time you might be in the area, please give me some notice, and I would be glad to meet you. I ride my bicycle (weather depending) 5 - 10+ miles a day, round trip. I would be glad to meet you (and your wife) some where nearby for coffee/lunch, if you are ever in the area. We don't have much furniture yet (for the living-room), but you are more than welcome to stop by my home as well, if you are ever in the area.'
Glock9mmOldStyle
Campaign Veteran
FOIA's ABE
I would think asking for a copy of all 911 dispatch calls in the area of ABE for the days/times involved? This could get expensive as I am sure they will pile on any fee/time [this is public info but must be redacted to protect individuals names etc..] they can to discourage the info getting out.
I would think asking for a copy of all 911 dispatch calls in the area of ABE for the days/times involved? This could get expensive as I am sure they will pile on any fee/time [this is public info but must be redacted to protect individuals names etc..] they can to discourage the info getting out.
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Bronson
Regular Member
Is it Royal Oak's policy to respond to all 911 calls? Maybe we should flood their system with calls to report unaccompanied minors and people walking on public streets while drinking.
:banghead::banghead:
Bronson
:banghead::banghead:
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Small Arms Collector
Regular Member
He say he is not the enemy, but his "taking the fight to Lansing", and openly petitioning against our rights would seem to me to clearly make him an enemy.
Small Arms Collector
Regular Member
+1 obango is also very well spoken (when his teleprompter is working that is), but don't think for a second that he is not our enemy, the enemy of Freedom, and an enemy of our Country.
Small Arms Collector
Regular Member
You, and me both.
ghostrider
Regular Member
"Honest Mr/Mrs Reporter, I have been attending these AB&E's for years and always carried my concealed handgun with me. But because of the Liquor license for this one I now have to OC. If they hadn't asked for the Liquor license to cover the whole grounds, I could have CC'ed instead of OC."
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lapeer20m
Regular Member
you can cc or oc. the city council indicated that their primary source of ABE income is from parking, not alcohol.
RabbiVJ
Campaign Veteran
i havent had a chance to read the whole topic but i just wanna get a summary of what happened with the licence? does this sound correct?
-licence got approved, but it covers the WHOLE area correct?
-since this covers the whole area, but the majority source of income is NOT alcohol, cc is allowed correct?
-licence got approved, but it covers the WHOLE area correct?
-since this covers the whole area, but the majority source of income is NOT alcohol, cc is allowed correct?
fozzy71
Regular Member
yes
Mike
Site Co-Founder
Michigan really needs to confront its alcohol culture
Very interesting points - I think that this whole festival effort shows that Michigan really needs to confront its alcohol culture and ask itself if this is really what is good for michigan.
Question - is the type of alcohol license being issued the type that requires open carry by CPL holders? Or is it the type of CPL license that allows CPL holders to carry concealed if they want to?
Very interesting points - I think that this whole festival effort shows that Michigan really needs to confront its alcohol culture and ask itself if this is really what is good for michigan.
Question - is the type of alcohol license being issued the type that requires open carry by CPL holders? Or is it the type of CPL license that allows CPL holders to carry concealed if they want to?
scot623
Regular Member
Our statues look at liquor licenses 2 ways. 1. Without a CPL, NO CARRY is allowed. 2. With a CPL, CC is allowed as long as the establishment licensed to sell liquor DOES NOT RECIEVE IT'S PRIMARY SOURCE OF INCOME FROM LIQUOR SALES BY THE GLASS FOR CONSUMPTION ON PREMISES. If that threshold is met, OC is required.
PDinDetroit
Regular Member
Agreed! I will be creating a second Open Letter to MI Legislators shortly to address the points you mention with copies to MADD, SADD, etc.
ABE Inc, has confirmed that the primary source of income is not sales of alcohol by the glass. A person with a CPL is good to go for CC. I CC'ed to the August 9th City Commission Meeting to make this very point.