That's as old and as fake as Pam Anderson's breasts.
Combat Firearms "Report Card" from Iraq
US Forces Weapons:
- The M-16 rifle: Thumbs down.
Chronic jamming problems with the talcum powder like sand over there. The sand is everywhere, you feel filthy 2 minutes after coming out of the shower.
The M-4 carbine version is more popular because it's lighter and shorter, but it has jamming problems also. They lack the ability to mount the various optical gun sights and weapons lights on the Picatinny Rail, but the weapon itself is not great in a desert environment.
They all hate the 5.56mm (.223) round. Poor penetration on the cinder block structure common over there and even torso hits can't be reliably counted on to put the enemy down.
- The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon): Big thumbs down
.223 cal. Drum fed light machine gun. . Universally considered a piece of ****. Chronic jamming problems, most of which require partial disassembly (that's fun in the middle of a firefight).
- The M9 Beretta 9mm: Mixed bag.
Good gun, performs well in desert environment; but they all hate the 9mm cartridge.
The use of handguns for self-defense is actually fairly common.
Same old story on the 9mm: Bad guys hit multiple times and still in the fight.
- Mossberg 12ga. Military shotgun:
Works well, used frequently for clearing houses to good effect.
- The M240 Machine Gun: Thumbs up.
7.62 NATO (.308) cal. belt fed machine gun, developed to replace the old M-60 (what a beautiful weapon that was!!)
Accurate, reliable, and the 7.62 round puts 'em down.
Originally developed as a vehicle mounted weapon, more and more are being dismounted and taken into the field by infantry.
The 7.62 round chews up the structure over there.
- The M2 .50 cal heavy machine gun: Thumbs way, way up.
"Ma Deuce" is still worth her considerable weight in gold. The ultimate fight stopper - puts them face-down in the dirt every time. The most coveted weapon in-theater.
- The .45 pistol: Thumbs up.
Still the best pistol around out there.
Everybody authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get their hands on one.
With few exceptions, one can reliably be expected to put 'em down with a torso hit.
The special ops guys (who are doing most of the pistol work) use the HK military model and supposedly love it.
The old government Model 1911 .45 pistols are being re-issued enmasse.
- The M-14: Thumbs up.
They are being re-issued in bulk, mostly in a modified version to special ops guys.
Modifications include lightweight Kevlar stocks and low power red dot or ACOG sights.
Very reliable in the sandy environment, and they love the 7.62 round.
- The Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle: Thumbs way up.
Spectacular range and accuracy and hits like a freight train.
Used frequently to take out vehicle suicide bombers (we actually stop a lot of them) and barricaded enemy.
It is definitely here to stay.
- The M24 sniper rifle: Thumbs up.
Mostly in .308 but some in 300 win mag.
Heavily modified Remington 700's.
Snipers have been used heavily to great effect.
Rumor has it a marine sniper on his third tour in Anbar province has actually exceeded Carlos Hathcock's record for confirmed kills with OVER 100.
- Night Vision and Infrared Equipment: Thumbs way up.
Our guys see in the dark and own the night, period. Very little enemy action after evening prayers. More and more enemy being whacked at night during movement by our hunter-killer teams. We've all seen the videos.
- Lights: Thumbs up.
Most of the weapon mounted and personal lights are Surefire's, and the troops love 'em. Invaluable for night urban operations.
Most carried a $34 Surefire G2 on a neck lanyard and loved it.
I can't help but notice that most of the good fighting weapons and ordnance are 50 or more years old!! With all our technology, it's the WWII and Vietnam era weapons that everybody wants!!
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That's as old and as fake as Pam Anderson's breasts.
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How is it fake? It strikes me as opinion. Opinion cannot be real or fake. You can only agree or disagree.
The only way this could be "fake" would be if some of the facts portrayed in the opinions were not true or if some of the weapons were not used in Iraq.
Can you elaborate?
1st Wave OIF I combatant here.
M16 thumbs down is, in my experience, wrong. Every fellow soldier I talked to from Iraq to Afghanistan was ok with it. Those whose systems jammed wouldnt ever clean their weapons.
M2 thumbs up. lol, without a doubt. Ma' Deuce is inded hard to beat.
MK19 Mod 3: Incredible. Thumbs way up.
M249 SAW: Jams? LOL! It's an open bolt face firing mechanise with two locking lugs. I have actually witnessed a squad member open his feed tray, grab a handful of sand and fling it into the chamber, shake the weapon, and fire. Jams? Doubt it.
M240B: Not denying the awesomesauce here. LMG's should probably have a bit more knockdown than the 5.56
Just my opinions/experiences.
While I agree with you 100% on Miss Anderson (and others in her industry) having their self-esteem ‘greatly enhanced’ though aftermarket methods, the information I presented here is verbatim as it was giving to me by a coworker who recently returned after their 3rd tour of the Iraqi theater of operations, as a member of the Army Reserves.
The only tweaking I did was due to the length, to scan his printed document into PDF format, then used Acrobat’s OCR Text Recognition tool to capture the text and do a copy/paste into the forum’s posting window.
What I did not post was the names on the distribution list at the top of the first page.
Welcome to the site. Please do not let the experience in this thread taint your view of OCDO. Most of the posts on this site are opinion. Even expressions against opinion are opinion.
I found your post interesting and informative. Not having been to Iraq, and having fired very few of the weapons mentioned, I cannot return an informed opinion, but I look forward to hearing what others who were there have to say about the analysis that you posted.
I spent september 07 until november 08 in Iraq. I carred the M249 SAW, The M4 and the M9 (not all at once obviously but im sure someone would have said something) and they were all excellent weapons. I'm not really sure where this report card is coming from. My SAW Never failed me and the M9 was pretty much mediocre. The M2, on the other hand, we could not get to fire reliably when the dust started kicking up. The M240B however was a freakin work horse. That thing would not stop chuggin along. Most of the guys that say the M16 or M4 jam a lot don't properly maintain their weapons or they've never actually carried them in a combat environment. Just my .02
The M16A2 is going the way of the M1 Garand, and will be phased out eventually. There is nothing wrong with the weapon however. Like you said, just clean the thing and it will go bang every time. I would rather have the 5 1/2 inches of extra barrel over the M4 due to ballistics in an open field gunfight. So giving everyone an M4 is a mistake. The only people who need them are infantry while they're kicking down doors and jumping out of MRAPS.
A lot of the senior NCO's that got out went into the guard as well, and after so many rotations there was a lot more emphasis on guard units practicing combat drills, maintaing discipline and physical readiness. In the past 7 years I've seen a lot of positive changes, and I'm proud to be a member. I can't speak for every state, but the TXANG leads the way.
I was one of the few lucky in the unit to be blessed with a A2.
During the invasion a lot of soldiers wanted the big guns. One of my buddies, who holds the concurrent record for M249 Qualifications , swore by the weapon. My TC carried one, and refused to let it go for a M16. My Pat Crew buddy I had was the one who threw sand in the chamber to give me some serious insight into the 249's reliability.
It went bang every damn time. Not only that, but the 249 is capable of amazing groups under controlled fire.
It seems to me that people want to be spoiled. Sometimes higher command elements want to find way to procure funds to squander through creative channeling, so they create an issue that really doesn't exist.
Marines in Afghanistan have been going BACK to the A2 (Ok or A4) along with the M14, because the M4 has much poorer ballistics. I don't buy the FM-32 ballistics charts for a minute.
Don't get me wrong, you can reach out and touch somebody with an M4, but it's lacking compared to the A2 or A4 variations.
I think a spin off of the AR platform with a thoroughly tested short stroke piston configuration utilizing the 6.5, 6.7, or 6.8 would be optimal.
I agree with the dirtbag comment too.
I could watch people in the unit, or other units, and tell immediately how much importance they gave their firearm. I love being told by some E2 that he "cleans his weapon all the time, sometimes three times a day" when I see him sleeping all the damn time, or dropping his weapon in the sand, practically using the mag well as a scoop, or DRAGGING IT in the sand to pick it up from the sling.
My leatherman was the rescuer of a few stuck bolts. All said stuck bolts were by people who thought their firearm was an afterthought.
Good reply man.
It's crazy that my exact sentiments are being echo'd by other veterans. Amirite?
Last edited by slowfiveoh; 08-21-2010 at 11:42 PM.
Please back up your contentions. You may be right. I don't know. You haven't provided any support for your charges.
I took your que and Googled the title, and saw the ump-teen pages of hits. You were right. (Should have done this BEFORE I posted the data. )
I will ask my coworker tomorrow where she got it from.
As far as my background, Regular Army, got out in '78. Own (and enjoy) my AR's in 5.56mm. (The wife prefers her Mini-14.) Never owned a 9mm pistol, but I OC a M1911 in .45 ACP. I trained with one, I lived with one by my side. And it feels "comfortable", like a favored old tool. Fits the hand better and I shoot instinctivly with it, as I was trained so long ago. If that makes me stogy for being old fashioned...so be it.
I again issue the challenge that you have failed to meet: What about the article is FALSE?