I can see how in extreme circumstances someone's heart could "stop", or perhaps they have some type of underlying cardiac problem, but if it were that common we would see in the news victims of a chest punch dying daily. Did your friend get charged with attempted murder?
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lil_freak_66
Regular Member
If it was against a thug,one could probably assume it was self defense.
as for the on topic portion of my post....
those cops should be thrown in prison for attempted murder,as well as a few other charges,i sincerely hope they get that too,long prison sentences.
as for the on topic portion of my post....
those cops should be thrown in prison for attempted murder,as well as a few other charges,i sincerely hope they get that too,long prison sentences.
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coffee4meplz
Regular Member
In 6 of the 108 deaths, prosecutors pursued homicide or manslaughter charges against children or adults who struck the blow that allegedly caused the death, Maron says.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1200/is_22_160/ai_81764384/?tag=content;col1
Bailenforcer
Regular Member
No he was stopping a violent felonious assault and the City Police Dept did claim it was such by the prosecutor declined to prosecute. It would have gone no where anyways.
I am trained in CPR and even a healthy heart hit right can stop. The human body is amazing but There are people killed in 30 MPH accidents often and we never realize this. It reminds me there was a famous mountain climber who climbed many summits and he had been through many injuries as one might expect, one day he got on his bicycle and tipped over and died. Life is weird that way, it doesn't always necessitate a preexisting condition. We all have heard stories of people surviving in unsurvivable and yet rarely heard of those many tragic incidents where something so minor lead to ones death, because it isn't spectacular news. News is based on sensationalism.
I am trained in CPR and even a healthy heart hit right can stop. The human body is amazing but There are people killed in 30 MPH accidents often and we never realize this. It reminds me there was a famous mountain climber who climbed many summits and he had been through many injuries as one might expect, one day he got on his bicycle and tipped over and died. Life is weird that way, it doesn't always necessitate a preexisting condition. We all have heard stories of people surviving in unsurvivable and yet rarely heard of those many tragic incidents where something so minor lead to ones death, because it isn't spectacular news. News is based on sensationalism.
Thanks for the info but those are deaths. What percent of assaults of someone "punched in the chest" are charged as attempted murder?
Bailenforcer said it best, these types of charges would go nowhere.
Venator
Anti-Saldana Freedom Fighter
Google Little league deaths. One of the common causes of death is a pitch to the kids chest. It does and can kill people.
Doug Huffman
Banned
guys, I'm not saying this couldn't happen. an R on T event is pretty rare. my main point was trying to charge someone with attempted murder because they punched someone in the chest would probably fail just as Bailenforcer said.
kyleplusitunes
Regular Member
stainless makes lots of comments on this forum he should not, even if he was being sarcastic, sarcasm is not conveyed through text. therefore can only be taken literally, making us look like a bunch of extremists.
stainless1911
Banned
If we are being looked at by an anti extremest then in their eyes, we are extremists. The general public looks at OC that way,heck, since we OC, we are considered by many gun owners, and CCers to be extremists.
Glock9mmOldStyle
Campaign Veteran
But for the grace of GOD go I!
Mike this is your forum so I will show all due respect. You have not been one of the unlucky ones, that's great, good for you! If you had been you might have a different view. No one that I know would ever OC in a group & "try to incite a police response" That's like saying driving two red cars side by side will provoke police to ram them? OCers know the law and abide by them. There are some police who choose to break the law and target OCers, that is the simple truth of the matter. It makes no difference how well behaved you are, how well you're dressed etc... you will be their victim if you are in their sights period. I support OCing in groups as it is much harder to explain 6 smashed audio recorders & 3 smashed video cameras. Just pointing out the obvious here. When it's a one on one encounter the odds are stacked against a single law abiding open carrier should he/she run into a "bad apple" as it becomes a citizens word against a sworn law enforcement officers word. Which side would you want to be on in court?
Mike this is your forum so I will show all due respect. You have not been one of the unlucky ones, that's great, good for you! If you had been you might have a different view. No one that I know would ever OC in a group & "try to incite a police response" That's like saying driving two red cars side by side will provoke police to ram them? OCers know the law and abide by them. There are some police who choose to break the law and target OCers, that is the simple truth of the matter. It makes no difference how well behaved you are, how well you're dressed etc... you will be their victim if you are in their sights period. I support OCing in groups as it is much harder to explain 6 smashed audio recorders & 3 smashed video cameras. Just pointing out the obvious here. When it's a one on one encounter the odds are stacked against a single law abiding open carrier should he/she run into a "bad apple" as it becomes a citizens word against a sworn law enforcement officers word. Which side would you want to be on in court?
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If these were thugs (not police), and they attacked you like this, would you have shot them in self defense? If you were this man walking your dogs, and you were attacked by these cops, would you have shot them in self defense?
It's probably best not to answer those questions, but maybe answer this one instead: Why does placing a uniform on someone and giving them a badge and a gun change things? Does the uniform make the threat of death or severe bodily injury any less real?
It's probably best not to answer those questions, but maybe answer this one instead: Why does placing a uniform on someone and giving them a badge and a gun change things? Does the uniform make the threat of death or severe bodily injury any less real?
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Bikenut
Guest
In the world encompassed by the judicial system there is a vast difference between the credibility of a "thug" and someone wearing a uniform with a badge. The "thug" will be viewed as not having much in the way of believability and the "thug" will have to prove his/her innocence from the claims of the accusers... but the uniform and badge themselves will be viewed as above reproach and his/her accusers will have to clearly and decisively prove guilt.
It is what it is. And, in the real world, we must deal with what is.
myusername
Regular Member
Chuck Norris can kill you just by thinking about punching you in the chest