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    A Day at Pike's Place Market

    OC'ed today at Pikes Place. My Girlfriend wanted to go there to get some tea for her friend in AZ. We browsed the market for about an out and we ended up getting some "Knock Out" tea for me to hopefully help this insomniac sleep and some tea for her friend. Got some clams and shrimp from the fish thrower guys and make some Linguine with roasted red pepper Alfredo sauce. It was awesome.

    We noticed a few hushed comments and a few people pointing and wisking themselves out of out way but not a word was said. We stopped at the Safeway that Deros frequents on the way home and I made a Donation for MS that were raising funds for. The cashier even announced it over the loudspeaker. I figure any good PR the OC crowd can get the better.

    So that was it. No cop calls, no encounters, very few even noticed. I've been pretty leery of OC'ing in big public place before today. Seems to be no big deal for anyone. I'll keep up the good fight

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    Boycott Seattle/Buycott Arizona

    I'm on an economic boycott of Seattle. Since the Seattle Silly Council took themselves seriously enough to boycott Arizona I decided to boycott the downtown area. I no longer spend any money within the city limits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I'm on an economic boycott of Seattle. Since the Seattle Silly Council took themselves seriously enough to boycott Arizona I decided to boycott the downtown area. I no longer spend any money within the city limits.
    +1

    Glad your encounter at Pike Place went well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leatherneck View Post
    +1

    I would expect some liberals to mouth off at me down there.
    Last time I was there all the liberals I could see were too stoned to notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bookman View Post
    I'm on an economic boycott of Seattle.
    Amen brother! Though there are many more reasons to do so than just the Arizona issue.
    Last edited by geojohn; 08-23-2010 at 10:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Last time I was there all the liberals I could see were too stoned to notice.
    Let them get stoned. There's no constitutional basis for the illegality of that substance and I never have felt threatened by a stoner like I have by a drunk.

    I been to Pike Place several times with no problems, glad the same went for you Bobarino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sudden valley gunner View Post
    Let them get stoned. There's no constitutional basis for the illegality of that substance and I never have felt threatened by a stoner like I have by a drunk.
    Actually, I wasn't complaining. Just pointed out they were too stoned to notice my firearm.

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    This is from last year or the year before, at Pike Place Market buying some fish.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Leatherneck View Post
    Glad your encounter at Pike Place went well. I would expect some liberals to mouth off at me down there.
    Is liberal a short hand for something? I consider myself a liberal, yet I Open Carry.

    Jonathan Haidt proposes that the Liberal/Conservative divide actually splits among the valuations of morality that each group follows. Liberals concern themselves with no harm and fairness while conservatives care about no harm, fairness, in group loyalty, authority, and purity all equally. From this lens, liberals could just as easily be pro-open carry as not. Liberals, like myself, who care more about fairness are pro-open carry and pro-gun ownership -- that is, it is only fair if the Second Amendment is equally applied to all. Liberals who are concerned with "no harm" could also argue that open carry reduces the possibility of harm to everyone (though some liberals would argue that disallowing private gun ownership will reduce harm.) Either way, the argument is not one of liberals vs. conservatives, but rather, one of which has better utility of reducing harm -- allowing carry or not.

    It could be more arguable that the issue is one of Democrat vs. Republican but this is specious as well as there are many pro-gun or at least moderate pro-gun democrats.

    Why not just say, "Pro-gun" or "Anti-gun" and avoid all the problems, generalizations and assumptions about the political association and gun beliefs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoomGoober View Post
    Is liberal a short hand for something? I consider myself a liberal, yet I Open Carry.

    Jonathan Haidt proposes that the Liberal/Conservative divide actually splits among the valuations of morality that each group follows. Liberals concern themselves with no harm and fairness while conservatives care about no harm, fairness, in group loyalty, authority, and purity all equally. From this lens, liberals could just as easily be pro-open carry as not. Liberals, like myself, who care more about fairness are pro-open carry and pro-gun ownership -- that is, it is only fair if the Second Amendment is equally applied to all. Liberals who are concerned with "no harm" could also argue that open carry reduces the possibility of harm to everyone (though some liberals would argue that disallowing private gun ownership will reduce harm.) Either way, the argument is not one of liberals vs. conservatives, but rather, one of which has better utility of reducing harm -- allowing carry or not.

    It could be more arguable that the issue is one of Democrat vs. Republican but this is specious as well as there are many pro-gun or at least moderate pro-gun democrats.

    Why not just say, "Pro-gun" or "Anti-gun" and avoid all the problems, generalizations and assumptions about the political association and gun beliefs?
    Unfortunately, the term Liberal as it is used today refers more to a party's penchant for spending or giving things away. Like Liberal-ly spending our money, Liberal-ly raising our taxes, Liberal-ly spreading the wealth around, Liberal-ly taking from those who work and Liberal-ly giving it to those who sit on their @$$es.

    Yes, it has become a generalized term, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoomGoober View Post
    Is liberal a short hand for something? I consider myself a liberal, yet I Open Carry.

    Jonathan Haidt proposes that the Liberal/Conservative divide actually splits among the valuations of morality that each group follows. Liberals concern themselves with no harm and fairness while conservatives care about no harm, fairness, in group loyalty, authority, and purity all equally. From this lens, liberals could just as easily be pro-open carry as not. Liberals, like myself, who care more about fairness are pro-open carry and pro-gun ownership -- that is, it is only fair if the Second Amendment is equally applied to all. Liberals who are concerned with "no harm" could also argue that open carry reduces the possibility of harm to everyone (though some liberals would argue that disallowing private gun ownership will reduce harm.) Either way, the argument is not one of liberals vs. conservatives, but rather, one of which has better utility of reducing harm -- allowing carry or not.

    It could be more arguable that the issue is one of Democrat vs. Republican but this is specious as well as there are many pro-gun or at least moderate pro-gun democrats.

    Why not just say, "Pro-gun" or "Anti-gun" and avoid all the problems, generalizations and assumptions about the political association and gun beliefs?
    Indeed. All the blind liberal-hating is one of the reasons I don't spend a lot of time here anymore. As if the conservatives don't tax us to death, spend all our money, and "spread" the wealth around to the richest of the population.

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    Here we go again.

    grishnav, Doomgoober, whether y'all like it or not the term "liberal" in its current usage has come to mean those who support left-of-center statism. Doesn't matter what the ORIGINAL meaning might have been, that's simply how it's recognized today. And those who self-identify as "liberal" or are deemed so by others, who actually support 2A rights, are in the EXTREME MINORITY. We're talking single-digit percentage here. A liberal who supports OC is like a rabbi who's a part-time pork distributor. Ya don't have to like it, but that's just the way it is.

    And I would argue that when conservatives start taxing and spending, they are NOT acting like conservatives but are, in fact, behaving like liberals
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    Quote Originally Posted by amlevin View Post
    Actually, I wasn't complaining. Just pointed out they were too stoned to notice my firearm.
    I know.... but can't help adding my constitutional / libertarian slant to the discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metalhead47 View Post
    Here we go again.

    grishnav, Doomgoober, whether y'all like it or not the term "liberal" in its current usage has come to mean those who support left-of-center statism. Doesn't matter what the ORIGINAL meaning might have been, that's simply how it's recognized today. And those who self-identify as "liberal" or are deemed so by others, who actually support 2A rights, are in the EXTREME MINORITY. We're talking single-digit percentage here. A liberal who supports OC is like a rabbi who's a part-time pork distributor. Ya don't have to like it, but that's just the way it is.
    This is false.

    Nearly all the decline in support for stricter gun laws is from people who don't identify themselves as Democrats. Six in 10 Democrats still support stricter gun laws, but support has dropped 13 points among Republicans and 17 points among independents. Half of all independents supported stricter gun laws in 2007; now only a third of them do.
    Though not all Democrats are liberals, and not all liberals are democrats, there's enough of a collected figure between the two to see that 40 percent of identified Democrats are not in support of stricter gun control. 20 years ago, that would have been south of ten percent.

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    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/....control.poll/

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    Attacking liberals as being liberal (As opposed to being anti-gun) doesn't seem much different than the other protected choices above. There are conservative anti-gunners as well as liberal anti-gunners. There are liberal pro-gunners that was a small movement 2 decades ago but has been growing exponentially in the last 15 years and now standing at 40 percent. Most conservatives are pro-gun, but not all of them.

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    Pike Place Market

    I OC'd today in Pike Place Market. Had my 1911 on my hip as the family and I browsed for about an hour and checked out the gum wall. No issues or noticeable disgust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EODGUY View Post
    I OC'd today in Pike Place Market. Had my 1911 on my hip as the family and I browsed for about an hour and checked out the gum wall. No issues or noticeable disgust.
    I do it often enough that I had stopped posting about it. Generally no problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EODGUY View Post
    I OC'd today ....
    Your first post......welcome to OCDO.
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    so I'm the guy that gets stopped for OC...... new thread started

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    I usually don't OC in Seattle city limits - on the rare occasion I actually go into the city. (I avoid it if I can and when I do go, it is usually for a ball game). I know other people have done it without issue and I think that is great! OC in Seattle is one of the only things that makes me a little skittish. Funny, I have OCed in the State Capitol no problem, but won't OC in Seattle
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    Quote Originally Posted by acmariner99 View Post
    I usually don't OC in Seattle city limits - on the rare occasion I actually go into the city. (I avoid it if I can and when I do go, it is usually for a ball game). I know other people have done it without issue and I think that is great! OC in Seattle is one of the only things that makes me a little skittish. Funny, I have OCed in the State Capitol no problem, but won't OC in Seattle
    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...ht=King+County

    Why not? It's not that scary.
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