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    Must watch Videos for all Firearms Carriers and LEO Encounters

    Don't Talk To Cops Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

    Don't Talk To Cops Part 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08fZQWjDVKE

    The Right Way To handle A Police Stop
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJrQBwJpqk

    The Wrong Way To Handle A Police Stop
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaCe6nQUX5c

    Traffic Stop/ Know Your Rights TV EP.4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrFvpMgL9EE

    How To Refuse A Police Search
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyokKFIecIo

    How do I Keep Police From Searching My Car?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpaNhfOyvAQ

    Busted: The Citizen's Guide To Surviving Police Encounters
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA

    How To Act If You Are Stopped By The Police
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShMDT0NmPms

    Fork In The Wisconsin Gun Law / Transportation Of Fire Arms by Doug Huffman
    http://www.vimeo.com/6115265

    JPFO Video / No Guns for African Americanes download page
    http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ngn-download-view.htm

    JPFO Video / 2A For the USA download page
    http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/2a-today-download.htm

    Here are some video's that actually tell the truth when it comes to Bull%hit Gun Control Laws.


    Bull sh#t on Gun Laws Part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCXtfR0_roE

    Bull sh#t on Gun Laws Part 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtqufzEFCzw

    Bull sh#t on Gun Laws Part 3
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoIKlO20RqM

    Anti Gun Politicians get OWNED!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis


    John Stossel - More guns less crime?

    Part 1 of 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UySthtM9y1Y
    Part 2 of 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx-qhSABdSE
    Part 3 of 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o4W7v1viNs
    Part 4 of 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgppjkg8jOg
    Part 5 of 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1V_dMaZgEM
    Part 6 of 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bgZawVWiEs
    Part 7 of 7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTNuqR5HZTg
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    Nice job, all in one place. Thanks.

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    Videos in one place and all the statutes and code have always been in one place.

    Yep. We got all the videos in one place and all the statutes and code have always been in one place. Now we just gotta get the little anonymouse minds right - like sweeping the tides of ignorance with a book.

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    The Penn and Teller Videos Are Great

    Just watched the first three out of four Penn and Teller videos. Very good! Thanks for posting all this information in one spot.

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    Here is the "flex your rights" video's all in one segment along with a few that aren't above.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjM...eature=related
    www.wisconsincarry.org Wisconsin Carry, Inc. is not affiliated with opencarry.org or these web forums. Questions about discussion forum policy or forum moderation should be directed to the owners of opencarry.org not Wisconsin Carry, Inc.

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    Bump. Lots of new members lately.

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    Nice compilation of videos. Several I have already seen after having an incident with an officer who tried to overstep his boundaries after pulling me over for a burnt out headlamp (and subsequently trying to search my vehicle). But several others I haven't seen and will make some time to check them out.

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    Did the cop come to the window of your car to speak to you? The unwarranted search occurred then, when he sniffed and peeked. Meet him at the front of your car, for his protection and yours, with your car secured windows up and locked and the keys in your pocket.

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    Looks like the John Stossel videos have been removed.
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    No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson (1776)

    If you go into a store, with a gun, and rob it, you have forfeited your right to not get shot - Joe Deters, Hamilton County (Cincinnati) Prosecutor

    I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few politicians. - George Mason (father of the Bill of Rights and The Virginia Declaration of Rights)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    Did the cop come to the window of your car to speak to you? The unwarranted search occurred then, when he sniffed and peeked. Meet him at the front of your car, for his protection and yours, with your car secured windows up and locked and the keys in your pocket.
    The officer met me at the window of my vehicle after approaching my car and looking into the rear compartment of my SUV where he could see a couple of work bags and my laptop bag. The bag's I use for work and my laptop see a lot of abuse so I buy quality gear so all three of the bags are geared more towards LEO or Military type use (molle webbing, etc). Most are plain black, one couldn't be had in anything other than OD green. I noticed him pause at the back window, so that's probably what got his attention.

    He never did get his wish to search my vehicle though, he tried a tactic to force his way in by saying "I'm going to have to take a look inside your vehicle, please step outside" and this was before I even knew what I had been pulled over for. I denied his request and asked what I had been pulled over for. The officer asked me to step out of the vehicle, so I obliged but did know enough at that point to shut the car off and remove my key's and lock the doors after I exited the vehicle. Asked him once again what the nature of the stop was, and that if there was no charge I'd like to be getting on my way now as I was on my way to drop my son off with mom. He took about 15 minutes of time with me standing at the back end of my car, shining his spotlight on me, to come back up and tell me to get my headlight fixed. Pretty typical of that community, that was a De Forest officer when I still lived there and when the ex an I were still together she had a couple of similar run-ins resulting in no citation as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by msteinhilber View Post
    The officer met me at the window of my vehicle after approaching my car and looking into the rear compartment of my SUV ... He never did get his wish to search my vehicle though, ... I denied his request
    I respectfully disagree. Your car was cursorily searched. If your window was open and he bent down to speak to you then you were 'sniffed'.

    You probably have his palm/thumb print on your left rear pillar, purposely put there to validate his potential claim of interaction - and likely filmed, along with the cursory search and sniff. I have seen discussions suggesting that the print can be recovered months later from an unwashed car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    I respectfully disagree. Your car was cursorily searched. If your window was open and he bent down to speak to you then you were 'sniffed'.

    You probably have his palm/thumb print on your left rear pillar, purposely put there to validate his potential claim of interaction - and likely filmed, along with the cursory search and sniff. I have seen discussions suggesting that the print can be recovered months later from an unwashed car.
    I've seen this done after being pulled by NC Highway Patrol, and each time have pulled over as soon as I reasonably could to wipe down that area.

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    Fork In The Wisconsin Gun Law / Transportation Of Fire Arms by Doug Huffman

    I am searching the laws but frankly they don't state what you CAN do, rather what you cannot do (in most cases). I do not believe this video to be correct. It is well within rights to carry a firearm in it's original "box" or in a secured container, this does not define it as concealed rather as encased. Does anyone know of any laws that may clarify this ?
    Under this definition I would not be able to carry an encased weapon anywhere for it's concealed.

    I drive an el camino and have been pulled over twice recently once with a long gun directly behind my seat and the second with a pistol on the passenger seat (of course properly encased), The officer that pulled me over with the long rifle simply asked I keep my hands in plain view. The officer that pulled me over with the pistol said nothing other then thank you for being honest about having it. I know this does not mean much really but clarification on this would be nice.
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    The element of the violation is "hidden", not concealed.

    Under this definition I would not be able to carry an encased weapon anywhere for it's concealed.
    Exactly my point. Thank you.


    http://www.legis.state.wi.us/rsb/Statutes.html

    http://www.legis.state.wi.us/statutes/Stat0941.pdf

    941.23 Carrying concealed weapon. Any person except
    a peace officer who goes armed with a concealed and dangerous
    weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
    [ ... ]
    History: 1977 c. 173; 1979 c. 115, 221; 2007 a. 27.
    [ ... ]
    To “go armed” does not require going anywhere. The elements for a violation of
    s. 941.23 are: 1) a dangerous weapon is on the defendant’s person or within reach;
    2) the defendant is aware of the weapon’s presence; and 3) the weapon is hidden.

    State v. Keith, 175 Wis. 2d 75, 498 N.W.2d 865 (Ct. App. 1993).

    A handgun on the seat of a car that was indiscernible from ordinary observation
    by a person outside, and within the immediate vicinity, of the vehicle was hidden from
    view for purposes of determining whether the gun was a concealed weapon under this
    section. State v. Walls, 190 Wis. 2d 65, 526 N.W.2d 765 (Ct. App. 1994).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    Exactly my point. Thank you.


    http://www.legis.state.wi.us/rsb/Statutes.html

    http://www.legis.state.wi.us/statutes/Stat0941.pdf

    941.23 Carrying concealed weapon. Any person except
    a peace officer who goes armed with a concealed and dangerous
    weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
    [ ... ]
    History: 1977 c. 173; 1979 c. 115, 221; 2007 a. 27.
    [ ... ]
    To “go armed” does not require going anywhere. [b]The elements for a violation of
    s. 941.23 are: 1) a dangerous weapon is on the defendant’s person or within reach;
    2) the defendant is aware of the weapon’s presence; and 3) the weapon is hidden.
    State v. Keith, 175 Wis. 2d 75, 498 N.W.2d 865 (Ct. App. 1993).

    A handgun on the seat of a car that was indiscernible from ordinary observation
    by a person outside, and within the immediate vicinity, of the vehicle was hidden from
    view for purposes of determining whether the gun was a concealed weapon under this
    section. State v. Walls, 190 Wis. 2d 65, 526 N.W.2d 765 (Ct. App. 1994).
    this does not mean properly encased, hidden would be in the glove box
    seems like another example of interpretation.
    Last edited by XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX; 10-10-2010 at 04:06 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX View Post
    this does not mean properly encased, hidden would be in the glove box
    Really? Thank you counselor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    Really? Thank you counselor.
    look, im trying to get clear clarification on this, if you just want to be a jerk please allow someone else to help, thank you.

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    Oh, I think that you are trying to be argumentative. I find the words perfectly clear and displeasing, but clear.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameltoe
    Last edited by Doug Huffman; 10-10-2010 at 04:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    I imagine your trying to state something about my name which happens to be cameltosis but apparently you weren't able to pick up on that. I realise that you are just to old to know that cameltosis is a song by the band Korn.
    And you act like im trying to start something.
    Last edited by XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX; 10-10-2010 at 04:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX View Post
    I imagine your trying to state something about my name which happens to be cameltosis but apparently you weren't able to pick up on that. I realise that you are just to old to know that cameltosis is a song by the band Korn.
    And you act like im trying to start something.
    Nawp, finish it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korn_discography

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    Fork In The Wisconsin Gun Law / Transportation Of Fire Arms by Doug Huffman

    I am searching the laws but frankly they don't state what you CAN do, rather what you cannot do (in most cases). I do not believe this video to be correct. It is well within rights to carry a firearm in it's original "box" or in a secured container, this does not define it as concealed rather as encased. Does anyone know of any laws that may clarify this ?
    Under this definition I would not be able to carry an encased weapon anywhere for it's concealed.

    I drive an el camino and have been pulled over twice recently once with a long gun directly behind my seat and the second with a pistol on the passenger seat (of course properly encased), The officer that pulled me over with the long rifle simply asked I keep my hands in plain view. The officer that pulled me over with the pistol said nothing other then thank you for being honest about having it. I know this does not mean much really but clarification on this would be nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX View Post
    I drive an el camino and have been pulled over twice recently once with a long gun directly behind my seat and the second with a pistol on the passenger seat (of course properly encased), The officer that pulled me over with the long rifle simply asked I keep my hands in plain view. The officer that pulled me over with the pistol said nothing other then thank you for being honest about having it. I know this does not mean much really but clarification on this would be nice.
    An officer's (abuse of) discretion does not comment on legality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Huffman View Post
    An officer's (abuse of) discretion does not comment on legality.
    As I more less stated at the end of the comments.

    I am looking for an answer to a legit question and not your opinion, I understand you are the one who posted said video so are trying to defend it. Seriously though I would like to find some fact and not your opinion.

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