Must watch Videos for all Firearms Carriers and LEO Encounters

J.Gleason · Aug 26, 2010

bhancock · Aug 26, 2010

Nice job, all in one place. Thanks.

Doug Huffman · Aug 26, 2010

Videos in one place and all the statutes and code have always been in one place.

Yep. We got all the videos in one place and all the statutes and code have always been in one place. Now we just gotta get the little anonymouse minds right - like sweeping the tides of ignorance with a book.

rcawdor57 · Aug 26, 2010

The Penn and Teller Videos Are Great

Just watched the first three out of four Penn and Teller videos. Very good! Thanks for posting all this information in one spot.

Wisconsin Carry Inc. - Chairman · Aug 27, 2010

Here is the "flex your rights" video's all in one segment along with a few that aren't above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMjMPlXzdA&feature=related

bhancock · Sep 26, 2010

Bump. Lots of new members lately.

J.Gleason · Oct 8, 2010

msteinhilber · Oct 10, 2010

Nice compilation of videos. Several I have already seen after having an incident with an officer who tried to overstep his boundaries after pulling me over for a burnt out headlamp (and subsequently trying to search my vehicle). But several others I haven't seen and will make some time to check them out.

Doug Huffman · Oct 10, 2010

Did the cop come to the window of your car to speak to you? The unwarranted search occurred then, when he sniffed and peeked. Meet him at the front of your car, for his protection and yours, with your car secured windows up and locked and the keys in your pocket.

johnny amish · Oct 10, 2010

Looks like the John Stossel videos have been removed.

protias · Oct 10, 2010

johnny amish said:
Looks like the John Stossel videos have been removed.

They are here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFVH_1r8qjI
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=YAbTr7WU1pI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=XlgktFXI4hw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=RBxqavQSS1I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=pbX3AXYsfZE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=M3kTTYwcbkE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=ckhzvxy3ops&feature=related

msteinhilber · Oct 10, 2010

Doug Huffman said:
Did the cop come to the window of your car to speak to you? The unwarranted search occurred then, when he sniffed and peeked. Meet him at the front of your car, for his protection and yours, with your car secured windows up and locked and the keys in your pocket.

The officer met me at the window of my vehicle after approaching my car and looking into the rear compartment of my SUV where he could see a couple of work bags and my laptop bag. The bag's I use for work and my laptop see a lot of abuse so I buy quality gear so all three of the bags are geared more towards LEO or Military type use (molle webbing, etc). Most are plain black, one couldn't be had in anything other than OD green. I noticed him pause at the back window, so that's probably what got his attention.

He never did get his wish to search my vehicle though, he tried a tactic to force his way in by saying "I'm going to have to take a look inside your vehicle, please step outside" and this was before I even knew what I had been pulled over for. I denied his request and asked what I had been pulled over for. The officer asked me to step out of the vehicle, so I obliged but did know enough at that point to shut the car off and remove my key's and lock the doors after I exited the vehicle. Asked him once again what the nature of the stop was, and that if there was no charge I'd like to be getting on my way now as I was on my way to drop my son off with mom. He took about 15 minutes of time with me standing at the back end of my car, shining his spotlight on me, to come back up and tell me to get my headlight fixed. Pretty typical of that community, that was a De Forest officer when I still lived there and when the ex an I were still together she had a couple of similar run-ins resulting in no citation as well.

Doug Huffman · Oct 10, 2010

msteinhilber said:
The officer met me at the window of my vehicle after approaching my car and looking into the rear compartment of my SUV ... He never did get his wish to search my vehicle though, ... I denied his request

I respectfully disagree. Your car was cursorily searched. If your window was open and he bent down to speak to you then you were 'sniffed'.

You probably have his palm/thumb print on your left rear pillar, purposely put there to validate his potential claim of interaction - and likely filmed, along with the cursory search and sniff. I have seen discussions suggesting that the print can be recovered months later from an unwashed car.

sultan62 · Oct 10, 2010

Doug Huffman said:
I respectfully disagree. Your car was cursorily searched. If your window was open and he bent down to speak to you then you were 'sniffed'.

You probably have his palm/thumb print on your left rear pillar, purposely put there to validate his potential claim of interaction - and likely filmed, along with the cursory search and sniff. I have seen discussions suggesting that the print can be recovered months later from an unwashed car.

I've seen this done after being pulled by NC Highway Patrol, and each time have pulled over as soon as I reasonably could to wipe down that area.

XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX · Oct 10, 2010

Fork In The Wisconsin Gun Law / Transportation Of Fire Arms by Doug Huffman

I am searching the laws but frankly they don't state what you CAN do, rather what you cannot do (in most cases). I do not believe this video to be correct. It is well within rights to carry a firearm in it's original "box" or in a secured container, this does not define it as concealed rather as encased. Does anyone know of any laws that may clarify this ?
Under this definition I would not be able to carry an encased weapon anywhere for it's concealed.

I drive an el camino and have been pulled over twice recently once with a long gun directly behind my seat and the second with a pistol on the passenger seat (of course properly encased), The officer that pulled me over with the long rifle simply asked I keep my hands in plain view. The officer that pulled me over with the pistol said nothing other then thank you for being honest about having it. I know this does not mean much really but clarification on this would be nice.

Doug Huffman · Oct 10, 2010

The element of the violation is "hidden", not concealed.

Under this definition I would not be able to carry an encased weapon anywhere for it's concealed.

Exactly my point. Thank you.

http://www.legis.state.wi.us/rsb/Statutes.html

http://www.legis.state.wi.us/statutes/Stat0941.pdf

941.23 Carrying concealed weapon. Any person except
a peace officer who goes armed with a concealed and dangerous
weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
[ ... ]
History: 1977 c. 173; 1979 c. 115, 221; 2007 a. 27.
[ ... ]
To “go armed” does not require going anywhere. The elements for a violation of
s. 941.23 are: 1) a dangerous weapon is on the defendant’s person or within reach;
2) the defendant is aware of the weapon’s presence; and 3) the weapon is hidden.
State v. Keith, 175 Wis. 2d 75, 498 N.W.2d 865 (Ct. App. 1993).

A handgun on the seat of a car that was indiscernible from ordinary observation
by a person outside, and within the immediate vicinity, of the vehicle was hidden from
view for purposes of determining whether the gun was a concealed weapon under this
section. State v. Walls, 190 Wis. 2d 65, 526 N.W.2d 765 (Ct. App. 1994).

XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX · Oct 10, 2010

Doug Huffman said:
Exactly my point. Thank you.

http://www.legis.state.wi.us/rsb/Statutes.html

http://www.legis.state.wi.us/statutes/Stat0941.pdf

941.23 Carrying concealed weapon. Any person except
a peace officer who goes armed with a concealed and dangerous
weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
[ ... ]
History: 1977 c. 173; 1979 c. 115, 221; 2007 a. 27.
[ ... ]
To “go armed” does not require going anywhere. The elements for a violation of
s. 941.23 are: 1) a dangerous weapon is on the defendant’s person or within reach;
2) the defendant is aware of the weapon’s presence; and 3) the weapon is hidden.
State v. Keith, 175 Wis. 2d 75, 498 N.W.2d 865 (Ct. App. 1993).

A handgun on the seat of a car that was indiscernible from ordinary observation
by a person outside, and within the immediate vicinity, of the vehicle was hidden from
view for purposes of determining whether the gun was a concealed weapon under this
section. State v. Walls, 190 Wis. 2d 65, 526 N.W.2d 765 (Ct. App. 1994).

this does not mean properly encased, hidden would be in the glove box
seems like another example of interpretation.

Doug Huffman · Oct 10, 2010

XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX said:
this does not mean properly encased, hidden would be in the glove box

Really? Thank you counselor.

XxCaMeLxxToSiSxX · Oct 10, 2010

Doug Huffman said:
Really? Thank you counselor.

look, im trying to get clear clarification on this, if you just want to be a jerk please allow someone else to help, thank you.

Doug Huffman · Oct 10, 2010

Oh, I think that you are trying to be argumentative. I find the words perfectly clear and displeasing, but clear.

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