So I stopped by the Haggen's in Fairhaven to get some items for making tacos tonight (mmm!) and as I was about halfway done with my shopping, a young man about my age (early-mid twenties) in a Haggen's uniform notifies me that it is against Haggen's policy to allow firearms in their store. Having been in the store about thirty times or so open carrying, I was caught off guard.
Anyhow, I asked if he knew if it was corporate policy and he told me he had checked himself because he has a CPL and was told it's not allowed. I asked if he could get the policy in writing and he said he'd try and then he will make a post on here (he said that he frequents this website).
So, Rob or anyone else, has anyone gotten an actual statement from Haggen's corporate on their firearms policy? I know there was an issue up in Ferndale a while back but if I remember right, no one got a definitive answer on the corporate policy. Hopefully the Haggen employee will follow up on this, he seemed like a hell of a nice guy.
He did mention that he isn't allowed to carry, which I wasn't at all surprised about and wondered what questions he asked exactly. So, gogo, has someone actually heard from Haggen's on their policy for customers? He was claiming he can't carry AND that customers can't. If you've got a resource, do tell!
Said employee checking in - figured there would be a thread up soon and it was time to start posting as well as reading...
We do have a written policy against employees carrying firearms, or having them anywhere on the property.
I have yet to see a written policy regarding customers legally carrying firearms, but the answer I got from corporate (high up) was that no firearms are allowed on Haggen property.
Sorry, forgot to mention - I will do my best to get a written policy to post as soon as I can...
Good on you for actually coming here and following up!
I realize that at a place of work, most things are up to management and out of your control. No blame on you at all, man.
If possible, I'd hint that banning customers from legally carrying firearms could lead to a loss of business, and you know of at least one customer who shops regularly who carries.
I find that a LOT of places have policies against employees carrying a firearm at work, as it presents a "liability issue" to the company *cough BS *cough* and they think it extends to customers. However, it's only for employees.
I'm looking forward to your response with information!
The best approach as an employee when seeing a citizen carrying a properly holstered firearm is to smile, greet the customer and help them. Ignore the firearm. You certainly do allow concealed firearms unless Haggen's has metal detectors at its entrances.
Live Free or Die!
Without a written policy the store can be accused of discrimination.
Without signs at all entrances they cannot expect patrons to know and understand said policy.
People sure throw the D-Word around a lot, without really understanding what it means in a legal sense.Without a written policy the store can be accused of discrimination.
Stores are allowed to discriminate, except when it comes to people of a protected class. Gun owners and mess transit riders are not of a protected class.
What legal claim, pray tell, would you have against Haggen for a non-written policy against guns?
Called Haggen Corporate today and talked with a lady there. I asked if Haggen's had a written policy on firearms carry in their stores. After calling another person, she called back and claims that the policy is to allow people to conceal if they have a CPL. I asked if it would be possible to get a written letter stating that policy and she said probably not but that she'd transfer me to someone who might know more on the subject. She transferred me to a loss preventions person's voicemail, where I left a brief message. I'll keep you guys posted if I hear anything.
Let's see how that works. First they spend a huge amount of money in advertising just to get Customers to shop there (at higher prices I might add) and then they are going to run off a customer for legally carrying a firearm while spending money. Like the old farmer said to his grandson, "Don't eat that Elmer, it's horse$h!t".
Was this employee bagging groceries, stocking shelves, mopping the floor, or perhaps playing with the carrots?
As far as a criminal court is concerned, any of those employees, or even the retarded girl bagging the groceries, has the authority to refuse service. They are all representatives of the property owner.Was this employee bagging groceries, stocking shelves, mopping the floor, or perhaps playing with the carrots?
Last edited by amlevin; 08-27-2010 at 07:05 PM.
Sounds like we're in agreement.
Yah, like I put as the title, 30th time's a charm, I've been to the Fairhaven Haggen's too many times to count (I just put 30 as a guesstimate) and then yesterday was the day to get told that the policy was no firearms. I've been to the Sehome Haggen's (the one you mention) a few times without any issue. Anyhow, the lady I talked to said CC is ok but was unsure of OC and referred me to the loss prevention guy. Not even sure if the loss prevention guy will even be the guy to talk to, but we'll see what he says.