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    OC at Manassas Chuck E. Cheese; asked to remove firearm

    After approx. 18 months of OC'ing, I finally ran into my first negative experience:

    My wife (CC) and I (OC) were in Manassas running some errands and enjoying some family time. We needed to work on a writing project, so after getting a great meal at Logan's Roadhouse and spending some time at Bull Run Library, we headed over to Chuck E. Cheese. The idea was to let the kids have some fun while we grabbed a table and sodas and worked through some ideas. We have both OC'd at Chuck E. Cheese many times in the past without incident - usually great service.

    However, after sitting at the table for about 15 minutes, the manager on duty came over and said that a customer had complained about the gun. He politely showed me the Chuck E. Cheese policy regarding their prohibition on weapons and asked that I remove the gun from the store. He actually seemed a bit sheepish and apologized, but said that he had to enforce the corporate policy.

    I had dress pants/dress shirt on, my wife was dressed nice, we had a bible or two with papers and a small computer on the table, drinking sodas - I guess I assumed we appeared harmless. I have to admit I first felt defensive, but the manager was very polite and I needed to represent well, right? My wife carefully read the policy and I politely told the manager that this had never been an issue at Chuck E. Cheese and that although we didn't agree, we would of course respect the policy and immediately comply. I locked the gun up in the car, we spent a half hour quickly finishing what we needed to complete, we spent way too much time at the rewards counter helping our little kids negotiate for the cheapest toys in the free world, and we left.

    Dang...we are going to miss Chuck E. Cheese. Well, our kids will...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regular_Joe View Post
    I locked the gun up in the car, we spent a half hour quickly finishing what we needed to complete
    I would have never have done that. Especially if people saw you armed... saw the manager talk to you.. you walk out and come back 3 minutes later with no gun!? that just SCREAMS "come break my windows and get a free gun!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ed View Post
    I would have never have done that. Especially if people saw you armed... saw the manager talk to you.. you walk out and come back 3 minutes later with no gun!? that just SCREAMS "come break my windows and get a free gun!"
    Good point, sir. Our van was parked right on the other side of a large window from our table - we could see the entire lot around it and it would take me 30 seconds to reach - this was a critical factor in my stay/leave decision!

    But you are right about the risk. Certainly increased our vigilance factor...

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    The only rational I can see for disarming you is that your average C.E.C. patron behaves like they are on Springer.

    (and No, I'm not for disarming you).

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    this was not the first I saw about C.E.Cheese

    Looks like we have an addition to our 'bad business' list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vt800c View Post
    Looks like we have an addition to our 'bad business' list.

    I'm glad my youngest is now 21.
    Mine's in his mid 30's now and yeah...it's nice.

    Sorry it happened Joe but ir had to sometime. Under the circumstances, you did fine!
    Leaving it in the car is a personal decision just like many OC things. Considering you wanted to stay, I'd have done the same.

    FWIW, I don't worry to much about people stealing it. I usually have a rifle in the gun rack so it's not a secret....but then I don't ever go north, so things could be much different there.

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    There is another option. You could have gone out to your vehicle, concealed your firearm, then returned to the establishment. Granted, this would not be in agreement with their policy, but you would be protecting both your firearm and yourself and lady. I am not openly suggesting you do this, as this would be a highly personal decision to take, but rather an option in such a situation.

    I have CC'd in places where there was a policy against the carrying of firearms because I consider my safety and well being far superior to some stupid policy. I only do this if the place I have to go to is my only choice and it just so happens to have such a policy. And since I am not breaking any laws doing this, I don't loose any sleep over it.
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    Did your wife still have her gun in CC mode? From your post it sounds like the only gun removed from the restaurant was yours, so you still had some "cover". Is this a new C-E-C policy as I thought I had read about others going to C-E-C without issue?

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    Asked to put my gun in the car means asked to leave.

    While it may not be expressed explicitly, I do not take well to being discriminated against... and that is exactly what this is - discrimination.

    Take your business elsewhere. I know, I know - where else can one go to let the kids run wild and play video games in [relative] security while you and the missus pore over the books and catch up on your devotionals?
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    Is this policy posted anywhere visible from the outside? I typically would think that a policy for the store is an employee policy and not something that patrons would have to follow.

    One thing that I would have a problem with is instead of the other patron inquiring about the sidearm, they go tell the manager.

    Without a posting of whether or not there is a prohibition on weapons, I absolutely agree that this is discrimination as CC patrons would not otherwise be bothered (for obvious reasons). If you don't like my baseball cap, shirt or shoes, and ask me to go change so others can be comfortable, I am sorry to leave due to anothers discriminatory remarks, and won't be returning due to the companys enforcement.

    All in all, good job on being professional and maintaining your rational. Tough decisions, especially when your childrens happiness and fun times are being threatened by anothers discrimination against you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TraumaRN View Post
    Did your wife still have her gun in CC mode? From your post it sounds like the only gun removed from the restaurant was yours, so you still had some "cover". Is this a new C-E-C policy as I thought I had read about others going to C-E-C without issue?
    Absolutely - she still provided the CC option. We have been to the same location several times in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wylde007 View Post
    Asked to put my gun in the car means asked to leave.

    While it may not be expressed explicitly, I do not take well to being discriminated against... and that is exactly what this is - discrimination.

    Take your business elsewhere. I know, I know - where else can one go to let the kids run wild and play video games in [relative] security while you and the missus pore over the books and catch up on your devotionals?
    That is just what it felt like. I think, for the first time, I didn't see OC as an option, but as a right. In fact, when the manager first approached us, I honestly had no idea what he needed to speak to us about. Funny how both OC and CC can become a natural part of everyday life!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    There is another option. You could have gone out to your vehicle, concealed your firearm, then returned to the establishment.
    I could see folks easily making this decision. Very easily...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sol View Post
    Is this policy posted anywhere visible from the outside? I typically would think that a policy for the store is an employee policy and not something that patrons would have to follow.
    No, it isn't posted anywhere, just listed on a sheet of paper in .8 pitch font.

    Quote Originally Posted by sol View Post
    IOne thing that I would have a problem with is instead of the other patron inquiring about the sidearm, they go tell the manager.
    Northern Virginia, very diverse cultures represented in the establishment. Perhaps the patron, particularly a woman from a different culture, wasn't comfortable confronting me. I don't mind that they talked to the manager. I guess I should be glad that the manager spoke to me directly as opposed to contacting Prince William Co. PD.

    We did stay to meet a deadline, but won't be back.

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    I was there last Sunday OCing at a friend's son's 8th birthday party. I was there helping bring in gifts and cupcakes, walking in and out of the building, walking all around the place helping the kids out and the employees were walking by me all the time. Nobody complained for 4 hours while I was there. Then when we were about to leave, Susan, the manager for the evening came up to me and said the same thing. No sign was posted outside that night either.

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    Sol, as a general rule, if it's not posted, we don't tell them that "you ought to post that".

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    You know I can't help but wonder what the reaction would be to a calmly asked question:

    "And just how would you feel if you were forced to give up one of your First Amendment rights just in order to sit down and have a Coke here? Would you change or deny your own personal religious beliefs if the company required you to do so in order to be served?"

    I'm sure the reply would be crickets...

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    gun as a token of belief

    Or perhaps ask the manager, "how would you react if a customer told you they were 'being made to feel uncomfortable' by someone wearing a yarmulke, turban, hoodie, or kente cloth?"

    I am not implying OC is or should be regarded as a religious observance, but as a significant part of a belief system and culture. A belief system and culture that deserves as much respect and tolerance as any. Of course people's perceptions vary, but the items of attire listed above can have as strong an effect on some as a gun to others, they can all be symbols of cultures that some people might find offensive.

    I can hear it now...yes, I am aware that not everyone OCs for the same reasons, the same is true about the other items of wear. Let's not take this thread off-topic from the OP's experiences.

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    I would have refused to disarm. Perhaps a polite, "I respectfully decline to disarm. If it is your wish for my party to leave, kindly refund my money." As the manager is giving you the refund, follow up with, "In this economy, is that policy and customer's comment worth losing my business forever as well as the thousands of open carry advocates I communicate with everyday?" Then walk out while the manager ponders the question. FWIW when you are asked to leave an establishment, you are not required to pay for your meal.

    Make sure to follow up with corporate about your displeasure:
    http://www.chuckecheese.com/company-info/contact-us.php

    BTW their pizza sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    I would have refused to disarm. Perhaps a polite, "I respectfully decline to disarm. If it is your wish for my party to leave, kindly refund my money." As the manager is giving you the refund, follow up with, "In this economy, is that policy and customer's comment worth losing my business forever as well as the thousands of open carry advocates I communicate with everyday?" Then walk out while the manager ponders the question. FWIW when you are asked to leave an establishment, you are not required to pay for your meal.

    Make sure to follow up with corporate about your displeasure:
    http://www.chuckecheese.com/company-info/contact-us.php

    BTW their pizza sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paramedic70002 View Post
    I would have refused to disarm. Perhaps a polite, "I respectfully decline to disarm. If it is your wish for my party to leave, kindly refund my money." As the manager is giving you the refund, follow up with, "In this economy, is that policy and customer's comment worth losing my business forever as well as the thousands of open carry advocates I communicate with everyday?" Then walk out while the manager ponders the question. FWIW when you are asked to leave an establishment, you are not required to pay for your meal.

    Make sure to follow up with corporate about your displeasure:
    http://www.chuckecheese.com/company-info/contact-us.php

    BTW their pizza sucks.
    I have to admit, after having some time to digest this, I think my response may be different in the future. We actually ate elsewhere before arriving to CEC - you are spot on regarding the pizza quality - we simply bought a boatload of tokens and let the kids run amok. You are right about requesting a full refund if disarming can't be an option. I will follow up with corporate, although I am not expecting a response. Also, the young manager on duty was struggling a little with a language barrier and culture difference... I think the 1st Amendment reference would have been lost.

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    BTW their pizza sucks.
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    I thought I'd heard somewhere (probably a thread here) that CEC was a no-gun facility. I always CC there, so it's not an issue (except rarely when I'm playing skeeball and my cover shirt slips).

    I personally don't like to OC there because it's swarming with people shorter than I am - all at eye-level to my hip. The kids are screaming enough without me encouraging it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    There is another option. You could have gone out to your vehicle, concealed your firearm, then returned to the establishment. Granted, this would not be in agreement with their policy, but you would be protecting both your firearm and yourself and lady. I am not openly suggesting you do this, as this would be a highly personal decision to take, but rather an option in such a situation.

    I have CC'd in places where there was a policy against the carrying of firearms because I consider my safety and well being far superior to some stupid policy. I only do this if the place I have to go to is my only choice and it just so happens to have such a policy. And since I am not breaking any laws doing this, I don't loose any sleep over it.
    +1!!!

    I carry almost EVERYWHERE I go and try to OC most of the time. I choose to CC in places where there are a lot of kids and/or sheeple that may be upset by the sight of a pistol. It just makes more sense to CC where more than 50% of all customers are eyeball-to-rear sight with my Kimber and likely to have difficulty concentrating on air hockey after the encounter.
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    It has been mentioned on this thread that the region in which I and a number of other posters live is quite diverse with people from not only other parts of the nation but also from many other parts of the world and that they are not accustomed to our culture heritage. Well frankly, that is not our problem or concern. When they come here, they should learn, understand, and accept the way of life and what it means to be a Virginian... not the other way around. Virginians are polite and accepting citizens and want to be friendly and tolerant of other people. But those same other people must return our favors and understand that where they may not openly carry a firearm in New Jersey or Massachusetts or Paris, we certainly can here in Virginia and it is NOT an abnormal or questionable behavior. The concept of diversity has been so polluted over the past 20+ years that it no longer refers to diverse ideas, but has taken on a new life to the point where we are suppose to bend to the wishes of the minority "diverse" members of the public. But that is a different topic and I better not go there as I will be chastised for straying.

    My point however, is that Joe had mentioned something about this in his post regarding the complaint from another patron at CEC about his OC'd firearm. I had something like this happen to me at Wegman's in Gainesville over a year ago. The checkout lady I would guess was from some African nation and looked either Nigerian or Ugandan to me. She saw my firearm and made a few comments that she was scared. Then there was a problem with my Wegman's member card and a manager had to be called over. She repeated to the manager that "he has a gun and I'm scared" to which the manager just smiled and passed over it. The manager was obviously an American and my guess, a Virginian. This woman probably came from some country where the carrying of a firearm was completely forbidden and those who did were either police, military, or street "revolutionaries" and criminals. She needs to get over that as soon as she steps foot on our shores and understand that she is no longer in her native land.

    I have noticed that most people who give the "wide-eyed stare" are foreigners, and most of those have been probably from Central or South America. Following these would be those from Maryland and New Jersey.. strange as it may seem. Almost makes you want to wear a sign, or shirt, that says, "Get over it... you're in Virginia, now".
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