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    Anything and everything - getting a gun, carrying a gun, age to carry...

    I know that this isn't really the place to be asking this, but I hoped you nice people could help me out.

    I am interested in getting a gun. I wanted to know everything that I have to go through in order to legally carry it around. I live in Virginia obviously, but in Arlington County, way up north, not really Virgina compared to the rest of the state.

    To be clear:
    What is the minimum age?
    and what permits do I need to own and carry a gun?

    I am also confused on what "preempted" means. Specifically "Virginia is one of our "Gold Star" open carry states. There is complete state preemption of all firearms laws, open carry is increasingly common and law enforcement is well educated as to its legality." What the hell does that mean?

    Hope to hear from you
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    Welcome, Tom. Preemption means that while Arlington may be out of line with much of the rest of the state with it's political philosophy, it has to operate under the same rules as every other jurisdiction when it comes to gun laws. Google "Dillon Rule" for a full explanation of preemption.

    You can own and open carry a handgun at age 18. No permit is required for OC. You can't purchase a handgun from a dealer at this age, but may in a private purchase or as a gift. There is no registration of guns or their owners in Virgina.

    Concealed carry requires a permit which you can get at age 21. You will require proof of training as part of the application process; there are several instructors on the forum. Virginia is a "shall issue" state, so as long as you have no reason to be denied, you will get your permit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasmcnlt6 View Post
    What is the minimum age?
    18 to possess. OC, or buy privately, 21 to buy from an FFL, or CC

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    and what permits do I need to own and carry a gun?
    None. To conceal in public you need a CHP (concealed handgun permit).

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasmcnlt6 View Post
    I am also confused on what "preempted" means. Specifically "Virginia is one of our "Gold Star" open carry states. There is complete state preemption of all firearms laws, open carry is increasingly common and law enforcement is well educated as to its legality." What the hell does that mean?
    It means that localities, e.g. Arlington Co. are precluded from making and enforcing laws that restrict ownership, possession, and carry. Localities still have the power to regulate discharges. However, self defense is an affirmative defense to discharge limitations. Fairfax is like Arlington, it is illegal in both counties to fire a firearm, but if you legally defend your life, you cannot be prosecuted for the discharge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasmcnlt6 View Post
    I know that this isn't really the place to be asking this, but I hoped you nice people could help me out.
    Sure it's the place to ask stuff like this and welcome to the forum. Most here are friendly and know quite a bit. The best thing you can do to learn is read the other posts... also use the search function to get familiar with what has been asked and answered.. that will help you alot as well.

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    First answer

    If you are 21 years of age or older and not prohibited by prior convictions or mental health commitments, you may purchase a handgun from a licensed dealer. This much is Federal law. In the Commonwealth of Virginia, you may carry openly most places. To carry concealed, you need a permit issued by your County Clerk of Courts. Virginia is a "Shall Issue" state which means you can only be denied a permit for actual cause, unless there is something in your background check to prevent it, they must issue you a permit, once you satisfy the requirements (application, fee, proof of ID, perhaps fingerprints depends on the County.)

    Others more versed in the specifics will now chime in on the places you may not carry.
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    If you are over 21 and want to buy from a FFL you will need two forms of ID to show that you are a state resident. This little piece of info caused me another half hour of driving to go get the 2nd piece.

    Usually a state drivers license is #1 and a utility bill with your name on it and your address, matching your VADL should work. If you are new to the state or military you can talk to the FFL about what other forms of ID are acceptable.

    Once you get the CHP, it counts as a form of ID so I usually show my VADL and CHP. Shopping for and researching a new firearm purchase is one of the most fun things to do. It can be a bit overwhelming with all the good choices out there but learning about all the different aspects is fun. This forum is a great place to ask questions and get peoples "opinions" take all with a grain of salt. :-) The selecting a handgun thread is a good place to start reading and posting questions. http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/fo...ting-a-Handgun

    Read up a bit first and use the search function to see if people have already talked about the gun(s) you are interested in. If you don't some users become snarky. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by architect View Post
    18 to possess. OC, or buy privately, 21 to buy from an FFL, or CC
    FFL?
    CC?
    And how would I possess without buying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45acpForMe View Post
    Usually a state drivers license is #1 and a utility bill with your name on it and your address, matching your VADL should work. If you are new to the state or military you can talk to the FFL about what other forms of ID are acceptable.
    I'm guessing a passport would be fine as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasmcnlt6 View Post
    FFL?
    CC?
    And how would I possess without buying?
    Federal Firearms License. Basically someone who is licensed to sell firearms. Think gunshop. The good ones are around here are NOVA Armament in Herndon, VA Arms, and Guns & Ammo both in Manassas, those are my favorites anyway, there's a few others in the area.

    CC = concealed carry

    Possess without buying: via gift, etc etc

    Welcome to OCDO! There are quite a few of us here in the northern extremities of the state
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    Thanks!
    You guys have been extraordinarily helpful so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tdbarge View Post
    Federal Firearms License. Basically someone who is licensed to sell firearms. Think gunshop. The good ones are around here are NOVA Armament in Herndon, VA Arms, and Guns & Ammo both in Manassas, those are my favorites anyway, there's a few others in the area.

    CC = concealed carry

    Possess without buying from FFL: private sale - the federal government can't regulate intrastate commerce... supposedly. Buying a handgun from a private seller is very common, and I'd venture to say how most 18-20 year old OCers obtain their first guns. Many people over 21 still get their guns via private sale. http://www.vaguntrader.com as an example.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasmcnlt6
    and what permits do I need to own and carry a gun?
    Requiring a permit for something enumerated in the Bill of Rights is a bit paradoxical no?
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    I would highly recommend getting a copy of The Virginia Gun Owner's Guide http://www.gunlaws.com/vgog.htm. It covers all of the guns laws in Virginia that you need to know, as well as a few of the Federal gun laws that affect us, and it is written so that it is easy to understand. There might be one or two laws that have changed since the last edition was published, but most of the important information should be current. It should be pretty easy to find for sale online, and you can also get a copy at many Virginia gun shops and gun shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasmcnlt6 View Post
    I'm guessing a passport would be fine as well
    It won't have your address on it, so they won't accept it.

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    Here's a pretty thorough thread on the ID requirements:

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...rchase-firearm

    Virginia code cites a passport as an acceptable ID, but I really don't understand why. US Passports do not have an address, and since the issuer is the US State Department, they don't fall into the primary ID category. As User noted later in that thread, the Virginia statute is poorly written. Very.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFred View Post
    Here's a pretty thorough thread on the ID requirements:

    http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/sh...rchase-firearm

    Virginia code cites a passport as an acceptable ID, but I really don't understand why. US Passports do not have an address, and since the issuer is the US State Department, they don't fall into the primary ID category. As User noted later in that thread, the Virginia statute is poorly written. Very.

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    Yeah, I read it thanks.
    What are the rules on motorcycles? Do they qualify as vehicles?
    And when somebody is arrested for carrying a concealed handgun, do they not have a CHP?

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    And what is 2A

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasmcnlt6 View Post
    And what is 2A
    The 2nd Amendment
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    Of course, why didn't I see that

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    Quote Originally Posted by VApatriot View Post
    I would highly recommend getting a copy of The Virginia Gun Owner's Guide http://www.gunlaws.com/vgog.htm. It covers all of the guns laws in Virginia that you need to know, as well as a few of the Federal gun laws that affect us, and it is written so that it is easy to understand. There might be one or two laws that have changed since the last edition was published, but most of the important information should be current. It should be pretty easy to find for sale online, and you can also get a copy at many Virginia gun shops and gun shows.
    +1!!! (I agree wholeheartedly)

    I have a well-worn copy of this book and reference it quite often. I carry it with me everywhere I go, too! You may also want to ask Ed for some of his "OC CARDS" {Ed, how about you PM this person and tell them how you work the card deal, please } I got my copy at a gun show, but I've seen it in most gun shops I've visited. I've considered buying a couple copies to donate to my County libraries.
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    Motorcycles...

    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasmcnlt6 View Post
    Yeah, I read it thanks.
    What are the rules on motorcycles? Do they qualify as vehicles?
    And when somebody is arrested for carrying a concealed handgun, do they not have a CHP?
    I Open Carry while riding a motorcycle all the time and there has never been a problem.

    I would imagine that if a person is arrested for carrying a concealed handgun it is in conjunction with something else and that is the least of their worries. Face it, criminals are not going to be able to get a permit nor are they going to carry openly.

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    Since it sounds like you might be new to firearms in general, here is some more information. The 4 rules is the first thing you should learn about firearms:

    http://www.thefiringline.com/Misc/safetyrules.html

    As others have said, no permit or training is required to open carry, but if you're new to firearms I'd highly recommend taking a carry class anyways.

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    You have already received some wonderful information from members here on your thread. So I will try to give you some information about selecting and purchasing your gun. As 45acpForMe said, do visit the Selecting a Handgun forum and read through it.

    Take the time to visit a major gun show in our area. The Nation's Gun Show's next appearance at the Dulles Expo Center will be October 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. This is a very large show and there is much to see there. Another show to visit is the Fredericksburg Expo Center Gun Show which I think will be around the last weekend of September.

    Guns shows offer an excellent opportunity to see and handle a wide variety of firearms. I strongly suggest that you do a lot of research (reading, asking questions, viewing videos, and even visiting gun shops) in advance of attending a gun show because large shows can be a little overwhelming for people new to all of this. You want to pay attention to terminology, features, and the pros and cons of particular guns as to how they will best serve your wants and needs for carrying. You'd be amazed at how involved this can be - trying to find and nail down that "perfect" gun to carry for defense is not a simple task. But don't get frustrated. The more you learn, the better off you're going to be.

    Once you have developed a list of candidate guns to consider buying, start paying more attention to them: how do they fit your specific situations, how they feel in your hand, do they have the features you are looking for, and are they quality pieces.

    Next up is to try to find a range that has examples of these guns that you can rent and shoot on their range. A friend who has copies of some of your choices and who is willing to take you to a range is a very good help as well. You want to see how the gun and you perform together. Can you hit your target consistently? Do the sights line up naturally or do you find yourself having to adjust your hold each time you aim the gun? Does it feel natural and comfortable in your hand? Can you deliver follow-up shots quickly and effectively? A lot more questions need to be answered but these are a good start.

    Do not scrimp and go cheap when selecting a defensive sidearm. This doesn't mean you can't get a quality gun for a reasonable price. But don't think cheap. Other considerations are ease of maintenance, availability of parts and accessories, and comfort. Carrying a gun all day can become a problem if the gun is too heavy or too large.

    Learn, learn, learn. And while you're learning, also learn to recognize and avoid the BS because God knows, there is one heck of a lot of BS in the gun world. You'd be amazed at the things people believe and pass on as fact which is actually completely and totally crap. Learn to recognize the crap and be able to separate it from fact.

    To start you off on your quest, you should first decide upon what type of sidearm you want to buy: a revolver or a pistol (a pistol being a semi-automatic handgun in this discussion). From there, you can bet there is a huge assortment of guns from which to select and turn into your carry piece. I cannot stress quality enough. Regardless of whether it is to be a revolver or a semi-auto, think quality. If the gun doesn't go bang when it must, then everything else is a moot point.

    I hope this helps you get going on your search. Please feel free to ply us with your questions.
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    Thanks guys.
    Yes, I am new to this, and I am also too young to buy or posses a gun, but I've made up my mind and when the time comes I will purchase. I don't want you think that this is a childish decision made by kid either. All of you are very knowledgeable and I thank you guys for that. I've been looking for a place to get a copy of the gun owner's guide, but if I can't find one I'll order it online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomasmcnlt6 View Post
    Yes, I am new to this, and I am also too young to buy or posses a gun,
    ok.. so how old are you?

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