Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 26

Thread: Motorcycle and OC

  1. #1
    Regular Member TheFreeman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Concord, North Carolina, USA
    Posts
    139

    Motorcycle and OC

    Just picked up a Ninja 250R as my first bike as of last Friday! I'm excited to get into the world of riding.

    Anyways, I just had a passing thought about OCing while riding. Typically I CC anyways, but I was wondering if anyone carries open while riding. Seems that driving in a car would be one thing, but on a motorcycle would be a lot more open, and passing more people.

    Thoughts?

  2. #2
    Regular Member sultan62's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Clayton, NC
    Posts
    1,319
    I've done it a few times, never had any problems. Some people say they notice cars give them more space, but I haven't yet seen this.

    Good luck.

  3. #3
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    NC
    Posts
    434
    I do it all the time with no problems. Even the cary gestapo recognizes this as vehicle carry which does not fall under their restrictions on public property carry.

    Raleigh pd, in particular, have never said a word about it to me and dozens have surely noticed. I definitely get a lot of looks from both leo and passing cars / people at stop lights.

    I find it's a great time to wear my "guns save lives" button (thanks Dreamer!) right next to my sidearm.

  4. #4
    Regular Member Ruger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Occupied Greensboro, North Carolina, United States
    Posts
    548
    What do you use, like a drop-leg holster?
    Carry on!

  5. #5
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Location
    , ,
    Posts
    462
    Any concerns about laying the bike down on the gun in an accident?

    I realize that should that happen, the gun would probably be the least of your worries but there is still a possibility of it firing is there not?

  6. #6
    Regular Member sultan62's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Clayton, NC
    Posts
    1,319
    Quote Originally Posted by mekender View Post
    Any concerns about laying the bike down on the gun in an accident?

    I realize that should that happen, the gun would probably be the least of your worries but there is still a possibility of it firing is there not?
    Not a significant chance in my case. Unless it somehow comes out of the holster, deactivates the slide safety, beavertail safety, and trigger safety WHILE pulling the trigger.

  7. #7
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    NC
    Posts
    434
    Well, I left a pair of $150 ray bans on I-40, and vowed never to lose anything like that again. Besides the monetary pain of dropping a pistol I've spent thousands on there are other obvious concerns as well, like if I can't find it.

    SO retention is the name of the game. I wear a good gun belt with a serpa holster. It isn't going anywhere without me. I've tugged and twisted and pulled on it. And that's the paddle type serpa, it just has big ass hooks that catch the bottom of your belt. Takes two hands and some practice to take it off even when I want to.

    As far as falling, yeah that might scratch up my beautiful pistol but no I'm not concerned about it firing in an accident whatsoever.

  8. #8
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Concord, North Carolina, United States
    Posts
    98
    The important question is how do you wear the proper safety clothing and still OC? Most motorcycle clothing is designed to protect you, not to allow OC.

    As for carrying on a motorcycle. I've found that a S&W snubnose hides perfectly in the inside pocket of both my leather and my textile jackets. If you don't have a small gun, you can fit a full size gun in some jackets. You'll just have to get creative.

    Also, just in case nobody has told you this, DO NOT ACT LIKE AN IDIOT ON THE BIKE. Trust me, acting stupid will get you hurt. I flipped my V Star 650 two weeks ago and ended up with a broke collarbone. It's not worth it. I also wasn't wearing anything other that a helmet and gloves. Wear your safety clothing. Yeah, it's uncomfortable but you'll be glad you had it on when you go down.

  9. #9
    Regular Member TheFreeman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Concord, North Carolina, USA
    Posts
    139
    I would imagine that with a jacket and pants that a, say Serpa holster, could stick out between the two and ride in plain sight.

    But now looking at my jacket, there is a nice pocket that my XDSC would probably fit in real well.

    I hate to hear that you wrecked your bike Adam. I hope you have a speedy recovery. You're totally right though, safety gear is a must.

  10. #10
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Shenandoah Valley, Virginia
    Posts
    37
    My primary means of transportation is a motorcycle. Last year, I put about 36,000 miles on bikes. I ride year round. I also wear ATGATT....All The Gear, All The Time. Protective jacket, pants, gloves, helmet, and boots, all motorcycle specific.

    I've discovered a few things about firearms and motorcycles. It is pretty hard to operate both at the same time. I rarely get on a bike without protective gloves on. Few protective gloves offer the dexterity to draw and operate a handgun. Holster retaining systems, trigger guards, safety switches, etc. are almost impossible to safely or efficiently use with gloves on. Removing a glove while underway on a bike is no small feat. It is hard for me to imagine a situation I would encounter that would be made better by drawing a weapon with either hand. My strong hand is my right hand, which also runs the throttle. My left, weak side hand, once it has a handgun in it, will no longer allow me to operate the front brake, which offers the majority of my stopping power. Basically, by drawing a weapon, I have relinquished over half of the control of the bike. Re-holstering would be a bit difficult when adrenaline, confusion, fear, shock are all running through my brain and veins. I'm pretty much resolved that any weapon use is limited to stopped or off the bike use. Road rage incidents are better dealt with using either the brakes or the throttle. Drawing a weapon in traffic may relay the wrong message to an onlooker who may feel threatened, and remove the threat with their SUV. Food for thought. I can't imagine any firearm being an effective defense tool on a moving motorcycle. Once stopped, it would take some quick action to make yourself ready to use a firearm. Dropping a bike to address an attacker is easier said than done. Often, the rider goes down with the bike, a disadvantage I wouldn't need right then. Evasion would be my first and foremost option.

    If you are carrying as a fashion statement, consider the risks in a get off. Wearing the right riding gear usually allows for a slide to a stop. An exposed holster is providing for something to catch on the ground and send you into a tumble you might not of otherwise encountered. Where is the payoff for the risk?

    On a side note...will your holster retaining system withstand the impact, or number of impacts that could happen in a crash? If you leave the scene in a meat wagon, who finds and tends to your weapon, if it slides down the road or was thrown into the ditch? Just things to consider.

  11. #11
    Regular Member Northerner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Clayton, NC
    Posts
    320

    Somewhat related to your thread

    Entertaining 4 part video on You Tube covering a motorcycle open carry stop in Michigen (2 bikes). I found it just by typing a search for "open carry." Seems the laws for OC in Michigen are similar to NC's, but not 100% sure. Still very entertaining seeing the LEO(s) get schooled by the "on call" prosecutor. Also, some lessons learned about what to say and not say to the LEOs.

    Thanks DetroitBiker!
    Last edited by Northerner; 09-03-2010 at 11:26 AM.

  12. #12
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Sneads Ferry, ,
    Posts
    189
    I just finished viewing a video sent to me by a friend who is a Harley enthusiast which includes old footage of Military scouts circa WWII practicing laying down their US Govt. Harley rides while drawing and taking cover behind the bike. Granted, the bikes in question were 750 powered and not nearly as heavy as the cruisers of today but clearly it can be done. As for the adrenalin fueled aftermath the obvious answer is practice, practice, practice. I can't describe the adrenalin rush from my first parachute jump or first play from scrimmage in high school etc. but with repetition those responses were replaced by the practiced action that I trained into my mind and body. Never let laziness (lack of preparation) or lack of situational awareness put you in harms way.

  13. #13
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Gravel Switch, KY
    Posts
    544
    Quote Originally Posted by jtrider View Post
    My left, weak side hand, once it has a handgun in it, will no longer allow me to operate the front brake, which offers the majority of my stopping power.
    Your front brake is on the left side? Every motorcycle I've ever ridden has the clutch on the left side and the front brake on the right side.

  14. #14
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    Location
    Lake Normanopolis, NC
    Posts
    119
    Quote Originally Posted by flb_78 View Post
    Your front brake is on the left side? Every motorcycle I've ever ridden has the clutch on the left side and the front brake on the right side.
    Saw that, good catch!

    I rode to a local store Sat for some reloading supplies. When I got back in the garage I noticed my vest was caught behind my holster. Rode past a Meck local and Sheriff up I77 don't know if they saw it or not (black on black).

    -R
    Last edited by rdinatal; 09-01-2010 at 05:56 PM.

  15. #15
    Regular Member DetroitBiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    318
    Quote Originally Posted by Northerner View Post
    Entertaining 4 part video on You Tube covering a motorcycle open carry stop in Missouri (2 bikes). I found it just by typing a search for "open carry." Seems the laws for OC in Missouri are similar to NC's, but not 100% sure. Still very entertaining seeing the LEO(s) get schooled by the "on call" prosecutor. Also, some lessons learned about what to say and not say to the LEOs.
    I think you were watching the Video from Michigan Open Carry , It was in Jackson Mi.http://www.youtube.com/user/OpenCarr...22/hxMaJKEVTAo
    Last edited by DetroitBiker; 09-02-2010 at 06:57 PM.

  16. #16
    Regular Member Northerner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Clayton, NC
    Posts
    320
    Quote Originally Posted by DetroitBiker View Post
    I think you were watching the Video from Michigan Open Carry , It was in Jackson Mi.http://www.youtube.com/user/OpenCarr...22/hxMaJKEVTAo
    I stand corrected. I had watched a Miss. video prior to this.

  17. #17
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    New Bern, NC
    Posts
    141
    Good points on the motorcycle carry. I asked a local LEO here about open carry on a bike. Was told it is no different than a 4-wheeled vihicle. Same laws apply to both. On a sidenote, it ain't so much being able to draw and drive, it is a matter of saving your ass from the stupidity of people in a hurry to go nowhere with a total disregard for safety on the road. I have 139db horn on my cruiser. Pull up next to someone talking and sexting that has the window rolled down and let them hear that baby. Scares the crap out of them. And since the horn and turn signal are within an inch of each other, oops, honest mistake, .

  18. #18
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    High Point, North Carolina, United States
    Posts
    246
    Quote Originally Posted by Bearfoot View Post
    Good points on the motorcycle carry. I asked a local LEO here about open carry on a bike. Was told it is no different than a 4-wheeled vihicle. Same laws apply to both. On a sidenote, it ain't so much being able to draw and drive, it is a matter of saving your ass from the stupidity of people in a hurry to go nowhere with a total disregard for safety on the road. I have 139db horn on my cruiser. Pull up next to someone talking and sexting that has the window rolled down and let them hear that baby. Scares the crap out of them. And since the horn and turn signal are within an inch of each other, oops, honest mistake, .
    motorcycle run and guns, now that would be fun.

    where did you get your horn, i have been looking for a loud horn with out putting out a ton of greenbacks

  19. #19
    Centurion
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Pleasant Grove, Utah, USA
    Posts
    3,828
    Quote Originally Posted by Bearfoot View Post
    Good points on the motorcycle carry. I asked a local LEO here about open carry on a bike. Was told it is no different than a 4-wheeled vihicle. Same laws apply to both. On a sidenote, it ain't so much being able to draw and drive, it is a matter of saving your ass from the stupidity of people in a hurry to go nowhere with a total disregard for safety on the road. I have 139db horn on my cruiser. Pull up next to someone talking and sexting that has the window rolled down and let them hear that baby. Scares the crap out of them. And since the horn and turn signal are within an inch of each other, oops, honest mistake, .
    a little off topic but...
    I was OC'ing on my bike on July24 this year with a 139db air horn installed on my 1600cc Touring Cruiser. THE BIG BUCK MULE DEER JUST STOOD AND LOOKED AT ME WITH THE HORN BLARING AND THE BRAKES LOCKED ALL THE WAY TO IMPACT..... Killed the deer, killed the bike, Did not kill me! But did brake a knee!

  20. #20
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    New Bern, NC
    Posts
    141
    Quote Originally Posted by Preble View Post
    motorcycle run and guns, now that would be fun.

    where did you get your horn, i have been looking for a loud horn with out putting out a ton of greenbacks

    OC'd on the bike today. Got a lot of looks when passing motorists, and especially at the gas station and at stop lights. I did realize that i will have to get a different style holster for riding. Off work tomorrow, so it sounds like a shopping trip is in order.

    The horn in question is a "Stebel Nautilus Compact Air Horn". It comes in matte black or chrome. It is put out by Amanet Motorcycle Products Division. I purchased mine from Chopper Toyz in Morehead City, NC. Out the door cost was $70 bucks. It comes with a plug-and-play hareness that uses the existing wiring on your bike. I ride a Yamaha V-Star 1300 Tourer. Piece of cake to install.

  21. #21
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    New Bern, NC
    Posts
    141
    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    a little off topic but...
    I was OC'ing on my bike on July24 this year with a 139db air horn installed on my 1600cc Touring Cruiser. THE BIG BUCK MULE DEER JUST STOOD AND LOOKED AT ME WITH THE HORN BLARING AND THE BRAKES LOCKED ALL THE WAY TO IMPACT..... Killed the deer, killed the bike, Did not kill me! But did brake a knee!
    My nephew had the same thing happen to him. Killed the deer, crippled the bike and himself. He was riding a Honda VTX 1300.

  22. #22
    Centurion
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Pleasant Grove, Utah, USA
    Posts
    3,828
    Quote Originally Posted by Bearfoot View Post
    My nephew had the same thing happen to him. Killed the deer, crippled the bike and himself. He was riding a Honda VTX 1300.
    However, my retention holster strong side remained in place with my Kimber 1911 securely retained AND the paddle double magazine holder weak side remained in place with the magazines secured!

    I do like the Blackhawk Serpa retention holster!

  23. #23
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    High Point, North Carolina, United States
    Posts
    246
    Quote Originally Posted by JoeSparky View Post
    However, my retention holster strong side remained in place with my Kimber 1911 securely retained AND the paddle double magazine holder weak side remained in place with the magazines secured!

    I do like the Blackhawk Serpa retention holster!


    my Blackhawk Serpa is a love hate relationship. I hate how low it sit, how flimsy the paddle is just all around how floppy it is....and it always pointing at my leg/feet.

    now i have a holster made by a company called g-code, (local guy makes them, go to any of the S&D gun shows he will be there.) its made of a harder plastic, that is not all floppy. It also sits high and tight to the body.
    Last edited by Preble; 10-11-2010 at 05:30 PM.

  24. #24
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    High Point, North Carolina, United States
    Posts
    246
    and it has a shirt catch on it so you can tuck it nice and neat behind it.

  25. #25
    Regular Member TheFreeman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Concord, North Carolina, USA
    Posts
    139
    I haven't tried my serpa holster while on the bike yet. I'll have to give that a go sometime soon. Hmmm young guy on a crotch rocket OCing a big 1911...

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •