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    AB-1934 Passes 21-16 Ban on Unloaded Open Carry. FAILS to be taken up in Assembly

    The legislature has now managed to silence California's fastest growing minority by banning unloaded open carry.

    There is good news however.

    1) These legislators have managed to redefine what is concealed, vitually painting themselves into a corner with words. By eliminating the definition of what is not considered concealed, they now must deal with the fact that guns that are only partially concealed are now as good as fully concealed. With a 12050 license to carry concealed a firearm in a belt holster that is partially concealed by the holster will be the same as fully concealed. The difference is, with a 'CCW' the guns can be loaded. Next to a school.

    2) This legilsation deals with unloaded weapons.

    3) This legislation deals with concealable weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConditionThree View Post
    The legislature has now managed to silence California's fastest growing minority by banning unloaded open carry.

    There is good news however.

    1) These legislators have managed to redefine what is concealed, vitually painting themselves into a corner with words. By eliminating the definition of what is not considered concealed, they now must deal with the fact that guns that are only partially concealed are now as good as fully concealed. With a 12050 license to carry concealed a firearm in a belt holster that is partially concealed by the holster will be the same as fully concealed. The difference is, with a 'CCW' the guns can be loaded. Next to a school.

    2) This legilsation deals with unloaded weapons.

    3) This legislation deals with concealable weapons.
    That's good news? This legislative body is way out of control. With law enforcement still unwilling to issue CC, and having to hide our weapons from the public, we are effectively losing any public advertisement of guns. Now "see a gun" virtually means illegality. They've effectively poisoned the sight of guns

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Prior to this bill long gun open carry was legal. After this bill, is long gun unloaded open carry still legal ?
    Yes, but there's no reason the same illogic won't be applied to your longun in the next legislative session

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    To me, this appears to have left the state WIDE OPEN for an infringement lawsuit of huge proportions.
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    There will be lawsuits!
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    Maybe the governor will veto it. How long does he have to veto it? September 31?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    So basically we have traded no CCW's and unloaded open carry for SHALL issue CCW'S and loaded open carry.
    Back when Nordyke had been ruled upon and the 2nd amendment was incorporated in the ninth circuit, we had a right to open carry, albeit unloaded. That didn't last very long though because Nordyke went en banc and then was delayed awaiting McDonald. The McDonald decision finally came and once again we had the right to open carry again, although still unloaded. Today we lost that right once again thanks to the traitors who somehow think the right to keep and bear arms is about something entirely different.

    I won't be signing up for a license to publish a blog, I won't be signing up for a license to practice any religion I choose to, I won't be signing up for a license to assemble, and I sure as hell won't be signing up for a license to bear arms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    Prior to this bill long gun open carry was legal. After this bill, is long gun unloaded open carry still legal ?
    Long gun open carry will still be legal in all the same places.

    Quote Originally Posted by AyatollahGondola View Post
    That's good news? This legislative body is way out of control. With law enforcement still unwilling to issue CC, and having to hide our weapons from the public, we are effectively losing any public advertisement of guns. Now "see a gun" virtually means illegality. They've effectively poisoned the sight of guns
    I neglected to be completely clear- The passage of this bill will make loaded open carry legal with a license. Current cases are poised to dramatically change the landscape of issuance of licenses to carry.

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    Maybe the governor will veto it. How long does he have to veto it? September 31?
    The Governor has 12 days to sign, veto or do nothing- which would enact the law without his signature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ca Patriot View Post
    From what I understand, when and if Sykes is ruled in our favor, then due to the language of the new bill, we in CA with CCW's will be allowed to carry concealed loaded and ALSO loaded open carry.
    So basically we have traded no CCW's and unloaded open carry for SHALL issue CCW'S and loaded open carry.
    This is a victory for CA and gun rights. (provided we get a victory in Sykes)



    Wait, -- California is now shall-issue ???
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    AB 1934 only "passed temporarily" and as such I don't think it made it out of the Assembly.

    Waiting for further news from State.
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    AB1934 is Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Wc View Post
    AB 1934 only "passed temporarily" and as such I don't think it made it out of the Assembly.

    Waiting for further news from State.
    Did not make it back out of the assembly. (they passed on it)

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    AB 1934 is sending it back to the Assembly for concurrence.

    Jason Kobely Last updated 41 mins ago Posted: 9/1/2010

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    Senate approves open-carry gun ban

    The state Senate has passed a bill that would make it illegal to carry unloaded guns in public.

    The Senate narrowly approved the measure Tuesday on a 21-16 vote on the last day of the regular session, sending it back to the Assembly for concurrence.

    The bill, AB1934, would make it a misdemeanor to openly carry a handgun in a public place. Current California law permits carrying a rifle or a handgun in a holster if it is not loaded.

    Democratic Assemblywoman Lori Saldana of San Diego sought the bill after gun-rights groups held a series of demonstrations openly carrying unloaded weapons.

    Lawmakers did not act on a second bill, AB1810, that would have required owners of rifles and shotguns to register their weapons.
    The bill fell short during an initial vote Monday.

    http://www.news10.net/news/story.asp...=93291&catid=2
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    So did or didn't it pass? What does it mean now? Can or can't we carry now?
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    AB1934, AB1810, and AB2358 have all FAILED. AB1934 passed the Senate, but with changes that required it to be passed again by the Assembly. It passed temporarily, but did not make it to a final vote...they ran out of time. AB1934 is dead!

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    Why you say that notforlong?

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    No bull. AB1934 went back and forth all night. It was voted on many, many times. It kept on failing in the senate. Then it finally passed the senate and looked like it was over. But it passed with an amendment that required another vote in the Assembly. Time at this point was very short...they were close to midnight. Somehow it passed again in the Assembly but "temporarily". The R's fought hard in the last minutes to tie everything up and AB1934 got caught up in the fray. They ran out of time and AB1934 died! Check out the forums on calguns also. Crazy night! What a mess in Sacramento! They can keep bills on call after they vote on them again and again and again....until they get it to pass! Insanity. No wonder this state is in such a mess.

    Final word...all 3 anti-gun bills died tonight!!!
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    Exclamation So after watching the senate pass AB1934, I decided to go to bed...

    I guess I missed the best part, and a civics lesson...

    It isn't over until the someone runs the clock out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolusername2007 View Post
    No bull. AB1934 went back and forth all night. It was voted on many, many times. It kept on failing in the senate. Then it finally passed the senate and looked like it was over. But it passed with an amendment that required another vote in the Assembly. Time at this point was very short...they were close to midnight. Somehow it passed again in the Assembly but "temporarily". The R's fought hard in the last minutes to tie everything up and AB1934 got caught up in the fray. They ran out of time and AB1934 died! Check out the forums on calguns also. Crazy night! What a mess in Sacramento! They can keep bills on call after they vote on them again and again and again....until they get it to pass! Insanity. No wonder this state is in such a mess.

    Final word...all 3 anti-gun bills died tonight!!!
    Wow, God was with us last night. She (Lori Saldana) will be thrown out of office by term limits? It's celebration time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by repeal1968gca View Post
    Wow, God was with us last night. She (Lori Saldana) will be thrown out of office by term limits? It's celebration time.
    I believe there may have been some divine intervention!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sons of Liberty View Post
    I believe there may have been some divine intervention!
    Then He was using people as the tools of His will. There was much going on behind the scenes that influenced the outcome, none of which was all that supernatural.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConditionThree View Post
    Then He was using people as the tools of His will. There was much going on behind the scenes that influenced the outcome, none of which was all that supernatural.
    Neither was the outcome of the American Revolution, but that didn't stop our founding fathers from attributing success to our Creator!
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