Ruger
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A bumper sticker to replace my NRA-logo sticker...
- Thread starter Ruger
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Doug Huffman
Banned
I didn't look at the sticker. You may get a yellow card
(12) NO BASHING OF OTHER GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS: Regardless of how convinced you are that another gun rights organization is not doing their job, this is not the place to air those concerns unless they are specifically related to an anti-open carry position taken by that organization. All other rants against other gun rights groups will be deleted or the thread locked.
NRA apologists deny anti-open carry position is taken.
(12) NO BASHING OF OTHER GUN RIGHTS ORGANIZATIONS: Regardless of how convinced you are that another gun rights organization is not doing their job, this is not the place to air those concerns unless they are specifically related to an anti-open carry position taken by that organization. All other rants against other gun rights groups will be deleted or the thread locked.
NRA apologists deny anti-open carry position is taken.
Ruger
Regular Member
Here is the basis for my complaint - and YES, it DOES pertain to OC
http://www.ncteaparty.com/2010/07/grnc_vs_nra_2/
Also, I must cite the National Rifle Association's actions regarding the "Disclose" act.
Here is how it pertains to OC: If the NRA, via their backroom deals, bamboozles their own constituency into helping to elect politicians who are not truly pro-2A (as the NRA would sometimes have us believe - read the linked article) then we are left with elected officials who are not truly pro-2A, let alone pro-OC.
PS - Doug - How long would it have taken you to actually LOOK at the sticker. I figured that you of all people would have liked it
http://www.ncteaparty.com/2010/07/grnc_vs_nra_2/
Also, I must cite the National Rifle Association's actions regarding the "Disclose" act.
Here is how it pertains to OC: If the NRA, via their backroom deals, bamboozles their own constituency into helping to elect politicians who are not truly pro-2A (as the NRA would sometimes have us believe - read the linked article) then we are left with elected officials who are not truly pro-2A, let alone pro-OC.
PS - Doug - How long would it have taken you to actually LOOK at the sticker. I figured that you of all people would have liked it
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eye95
Well-known member
I think the sticker is disgusting.
Not because it bashes the NRA. I really don't care one way or the other.
I think it is disgusting because it diminishes the horrors committed by the Nazis and the Judenrat who were forced by the Nazis to betray other Jews--typically resulting in the deaths of these Jews.
I really hope you reconsider putting this sticker on your car.
Not because it bashes the NRA. I really don't care one way or the other.
I think it is disgusting because it diminishes the horrors committed by the Nazis and the Judenrat who were forced by the Nazis to betray other Jews--typically resulting in the deaths of these Jews.
I really hope you reconsider putting this sticker on your car.
Ruger
Regular Member
Eye95 - it is meant to be provocative. It is meant to get people's attention.
Think outside the box. Look at some of the recent actions of the NRA. I don't trust them. They're in a great position to screw over a large number of gun owners across the country if they so choose. If a national gun registry ever came to pass, I don't know that I trust the NRA to not hand over their member lists to the Feds - hence the comparison.
I don't mean to be disrespectful to Jews.
Think outside the box. Look at some of the recent actions of the NRA. I don't trust them. They're in a great position to screw over a large number of gun owners across the country if they so choose. If a national gun registry ever came to pass, I don't know that I trust the NRA to not hand over their member lists to the Feds - hence the comparison.
I don't mean to be disrespectful to Jews.
eye95
Well-known member
You may not mean to be, but you are. Deliberately being provocative is no excuse for being so.
Don't get me wrong. You have a right to produce that bumper sticker. And, I have a right to rebuke that sticker in the strongest possible terms. I hope you reconsider.
BTW, you are not being provocative in a useful way. Notice that we are not discussing the NRA, but the bumper sticker's disrespect for the Jews who suffered horrifically at the hand of the Nazis.
Ruby
Regular Member
Very offensive to Jews and non-Jews alike, as well as NRA members. The actions of the NRA pale in comparison to what the Nazis did; there simply is no comparison or a reason to compare them. I get that you don't like the NRA and there are things I don't agree with either, BUT, if it weren't for the NRA and it's past actions of standing up for gun rights, you might very well not be able to carry a gun today. For a very long time, they were the ONLY organization that did stand up for citizen's gun rights. You can come down off your high horse any time.
simmonsjoe
Regular Member
Very poor taste
and a ludicrous comparison.
and a ludicrous comparison.
buster81
Regular Member
Ruger
Regular Member
All right. I'm scrapping it. Even though they did donate $4950 to Harry Reid's re-election fund http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000082
I was especially angry with them when I designed that, after having found the evidence of their donation, and then when I asked the NRA about it they said that they are not endorsing Reid - they said that is a contribution & not an endorsement (sounds like a bunch of doublespeak to me). Be that as it may...
@ Ruby: As for the "come down off your high-horse" remark.... There's no need to make a personal attack against me. You gave the necessary feedback about the bumper sticker, and after taking your feedback into consideration along with others, I have altered my course of action. Insults, veiled or otherwise, are not welcome or necessary.
I was looking for feedback on an idea, which I am now not going to implement. After having cooled down a bit, and seeing the reaction from folks here, I realize that this probably isn't the best thing to stick on my vehicle.
Thank you to everyone for your valuable feedback. (well, except Ruby, perhaps)
I was especially angry with them when I designed that, after having found the evidence of their donation, and then when I asked the NRA about it they said that they are not endorsing Reid - they said that is a contribution & not an endorsement (sounds like a bunch of doublespeak to me). Be that as it may...
@ Ruby: As for the "come down off your high-horse" remark.... There's no need to make a personal attack against me. You gave the necessary feedback about the bumper sticker, and after taking your feedback into consideration along with others, I have altered my course of action. Insults, veiled or otherwise, are not welcome or necessary.
I was looking for feedback on an idea, which I am now not going to implement. After having cooled down a bit, and seeing the reaction from folks here, I realize that this probably isn't the best thing to stick on my vehicle.
Thank you to everyone for your valuable feedback. (well, except Ruby, perhaps)
eye95
Well-known member
You are welcome. I hope you don't think that I was too harsh in my criticism. It was not directed at you.
Thank you for scrapping the sticker. I understand your idea behind the analogy.
The irony here is that some posters would say that my (and others') free speech regarding your free speech that helped change your mind was somehow a restriction on your freedom. However, I think this thread is the perfect illustration of free speech and how it is used to change the ideas of others sans force.
Again, thank you.
Thank you for scrapping the sticker. I understand your idea behind the analogy.
The irony here is that some posters would say that my (and others') free speech regarding your free speech that helped change your mind was somehow a restriction on your freedom. However, I think this thread is the perfect illustration of free speech and how it is used to change the ideas of others sans force.
Again, thank you.
Ruby
Regular Member
I made the comment about coming down off your high horse for your negative post concerning the NRA. That post of yours WAS an attack and was removed by the moderators. I was upset because you seem to think that you are so much better than the NRA and the fact that you have gun rights today is probably due to the work they have done in the past, so there was no need for you to put them down. It was a comment, not a personal attack on you. And I don't need your thanks for anything, you may keep it!
heresyourdipstickjimmy
Regular Member
http://www.ncteaparty.com/2010/07/grnc_vs_nra_2/
Also, I must cite the National Rifle Association's actions regarding the "Disclose" act.
Here is how it pertains to OC: If the NRA, via their backroom deals, bamboozles their own constituency into helping to elect politicians who are not truly pro-2A (as the NRA would sometimes have us believe - read the linked article) then we are left with elected officials who are not truly pro-2A, let alone pro-OC.
PS - Doug - How long would it have taken you to actually LOOK at the sticker. I figured that you of all people would have liked it
If you're going to attack the NRA in such a manner, then you had better get in line with all the other "groups" as well. Every single one of them turns political and will start making decisions based on just that.
It's exactly why the only people that should be allowed to donate campaign funds in any way are the individuals, I'd prefer it be the voters but someone would say that discriminates, and I'm not suggesting individuals that band together either.
rodbender
Regular Member
I was too late to see the bumper sticker in question. Probably a good thing because the reactions of the members here show it must have been pretty disgusting.
gsx1138
Regular Member
Citizen
Founder's Club Member
+1
I know the sticker issue is settled. I would like to address the underlying point about being provocative.
A rattlesnake is provocative. That does not mean it is accepted. Meaning, a provocative message will get attention, but that does not mean people will accept the idea being conveyed.
END_THE_FED
Regular Member
Wait a minute, are you trying to say that one could use their free speech to advocate that someone or some group not do something, while still supporting their right to do so??? You mean that just because you advised him not to use the sticker (it was removed before I saw it) you weren't saying that he didn't have the right to?
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mosinnagant
Regular Member
The nra is effective against gun controll as the mods are from keeping me off here
**** the NRA and wayne la pieree $900000 salary
**** the NRA and wayne la pieree $900000 salary
eye95
Well-known member
Wait a minute, are you trying to say that one could use their free speech to advocate that someone or some group not do something, while still supporting their right to do so??? You mean that just because you advised him not to use the sticker (it was removed before I saw it) you weren't saying that he didn't have the right to?
That is precisely what I am saying.
Ruger
Regular Member
I'm not going to give the NRA leadership a free pass on their actions today on the basis of their good deeds of years past. Accountability still exists, and no gun rights organization should be donating $4950 to help re-elect a senator with Harry Reid's track record.