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    PBS - Open carry a growing movement in California

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/law/j...uns_09-02.html

    Open carry discussion and starts at time hack 6:48

    Police Chief Ken James is worried that the Second Amendment may be enforced on California . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Police Chief Ken James is worried that the Second Amendment may be enforced on California . . .
    Oh dear! The 2A? The "Constitution"? That's just not in line with our California values! Good day sir!

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    "We don't know who you are, and we don't know if that gun is loaded. And,..and we're going to have to deal with that gun..."

    Oh no....you don't know who a civilian walking around drinking a cup of coffee is?
    Oh no....you don't know if a gun is loaded or not, and this is a concern despite nearly every other state allowing loaded carry in some form or another?
    Oh no....You're "going to have to deal with that gun", because by themselves, and as inanimate objects, must be dealt with. I mean, except the one on YOUR waist yes?

    That guy sounds like an embarrassment to law enforcement. I think it's rather questionable that he should be the head of the California Police Chiefs Association.
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    Seems to me Chief James is truly afraid of guns. "If we have greater control on the guns, greater regulation on the guns and in the public realm, the -- the chances of us coming in contact with that gun become fewer."

    Again, as in my other recent post, the progressives have brained washed the masses into believing that local law enforcements' safety is more important than our natural law rights and protected, enumerated civil liberties. Now, I haven't been able to determine is Chief James is simply afraid of guns, or if he is a socialist, or if he is jaded by all the crime he has witnessed throughout his career. If I had to guess I'd say its a combination of the three. But what is clear is the fact that he favors the disarmament of the innocent law-abiding citizenry in exchange for the safety of himself and his officers. And that is not only unacceptable but its also unconstitutional.
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    Thumbs up

    Well said CoolUserName.

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    Yeah, Keep the lawful citizen unarmed while keeping criminals fully loaded.
    Screw that guy.
    I'm sitting in a Las Vegas NV. Starbucks at this writing with my Glock 19, with 13 guests all around, two of them LEOS and no one is taking notice. I love this town.
    Keep up the good work California!
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    Holding their feet to the fire, with the chains of the Constitution ! I love it !

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    Police State?

    INTENT:
    The thing that Chief James wants is the elimination of all firearms except those that are carried by law enforcement.

    REASON:
    Police are afraid of an armed citizenry they don’t know.
    Whose fault is that? You took away your neighborhood beat cops and put them into cars. They don’t get to know anyone. They don’t develop friendship with those in the neighborhood and everyone becomes the enemy. It becomes “us against them.”

    POLICE SOLUTION:
    U.S. Constitution is ignored and all guns are confiscated in order that there is a gun-free society...except for law enforcement. (Ignore armed criminals)

    RESULT:
    1) Law enforcement only ones with guns. (Ignore armed criminals)
    2) No law-abiding citizen has any firearms of any kind for any reason.
    3) Crime goes up.

    PROBLEM:
    1) Law enforcement has guns.
    2) (Ignore armed criminals)
    3) Citizens left unarmed.

    REAL RESULT:
    1) Criminals still have guns (You're supposed to ignore armed criminals)
    2) We are left with a POLICE STATE!
    3) Citizens left defenseless.

    ================================================== ===================================

    ALTERNATIVE
    : ARMED CITIZENRY

    INTENT: Citizens want to keep criminals and law enforcement agencies at bay and from running over us.

    REASON: In order to defend ourselves against criminals and possibly a future, ever-growing, more abusive police state.

    OUR SOLUTION: STAY ARMED.

    RESULT:
    1) We keep our freedoms
    2) We keep the police state from taking over.
    3) We keep from being mugged.

    PROBLEM? It’s a win-win situation for law-abiding CITIZENS.

    REAL RESULT:

    1) We keep our Constitutional rights.
    2) Police remain servants and not tyrants carrying out the threats of the state.
    3) Criminal activity decreases.
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    Makes sense to me.

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    I got to thinking...

    How many police officers (PO) could be hired to walk a beat if they got rid of all the expensive cars they have to keep buying every few years? They might actually get to know the people. Wow! ...a beat PO who actually knows your name...and not because he/she has stopped to e-check you...and you surrendered your rights by giving him/her your name.

    Bonus...the "Us versus Them" attitude may go away.

    Edit: Well, maybe a car is less expensive than what it takes to pay a PO and give him/her all the fringe benefits. Nonetheless, I still believe there would be a lot better relationship between police officers and the public if they were to walk a beat.

    Edit: I don't hate police officers; I don't dislike police officers. My neighborhood over the years has had many police officers live here, and a number of them have become friends of mine. My oldest brother is a retired deputy sheriff. After passing the exam and physical, I was hired back when I was 25 to train as a PO in Ft. Worth, Texas. After waiting for my training class to begin, my class was indefinitely put off and I chose to return to college, which eventually led me in a different direction.
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    It's about time!

    Open carry has been a "movement" for the last five hundred years of mankind's use of a firearm. It's about time California get with the program.

    And I thought California was progressive...
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolusername2007 View Post
    Seems to me Chief James is truly afraid of guns. "If we have greater control on the guns, greater regulation on the guns and in the public realm, the -- the chances of us coming in contact with that gun become fewer."

    Again, as in my other recent post, the progressives have brained washed the masses into believing that local law enforcements' safety is more important than our natural law rights and protected, enumerated civil liberties. Now, I haven't been able to determine is Chief James is simply afraid of guns, or if he is a socialist, or if he is jaded by all the crime he has witnessed throughout his career. If I had to guess I'd say its a combination of the three. But what is clear is the fact that he favors the disarmament of the innocent law-abiding citizenry in exchange for the safety of himself and his officers. And that is not only unacceptable but its also unconstitutional.
    Very well stated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slowfiveoh View Post
    That guy sounds like an embarrassment to law enforcement. I think it's rather questionable that he should be the head of the California Police Chiefs Association.
    slowfiveoh I did edit your quote

    In my opinion that guy doesn't sound like an embarrassment to just law enforcement, he sounds like an embarrassment to American citizens in general.
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    Friendly jurisdictions in CA

    Anyone know of any jurisdictions in California that are prone to grant carry permits?

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    Sacramento County.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mauser View Post
    Anyone know of any jurisdictions in California that are prone to grant carry permits?
    Consult this to get a good idea of which counties have issued the most...
    http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/...uances2007.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by FMCDH View Post
    Consult this to get a good idea of which counties have issued the most...
    http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/...uances2007.pdf
    More recent statistics are available here from the CalGuns Foundation:
    http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/res...tc-report.html

    I'd attach it, but its too big for the forum settings.

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    No holstered handguns permitted in California starting 2012

    A deputy sheriff in San Diego County, California recently informed law abiding gun owners that no holstered handguns will be permitted beginning January 1st, 2012. I just checked and discovered that California Assembly Bill 144 was passed by the state Senate on September 8, 2011 and signed into law by Governor Schwartzenegger.

    I am outraged by this, especially since I live in a rural area where snakes and other dangerous animals abound. If I cannot quickly defend myself, my family and friends against such attacks, then we will become defenseless. But, most importantly, is the violation of our Constitutional rights to own and bear arms. The government may feel that it is necessary to protect the people from assault weapons, but I cannot understand how there is any justification for preventing law abiding citizens from openly carrying an unloaded pistol in a holster. Is there any way to prevent this law from taking effect?

    Maurice Osborn

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice View Post
    A deputy sheriff in San Diego County, California recently informed law abiding gun owners that no holstered handguns will be permitted beginning January 1st, 2012. I just checked and discovered that California Assembly Bill 144 was passed by the state Senate on September 8, 2011 and signed into law by Governor Schwartzenegger.

    I am outraged by this, especially since I live in a rural area where snakes and other dangerous animals abound. If I cannot quickly defend myself, my family and friends against such attacks, then we will become defenseless. But, most importantly, is the violation of our Constitutional rights to own and bear arms. The government may feel that it is necessary to protect the people from assault weapons, but I cannot understand how there is any justification for preventing law abiding citizens from openly carrying an unloaded pistol in a holster. Is there any way to prevent this law from taking effect?

    Maurice Osborn
    It doesn't affect current legal loaded open carry in unincorporated areas.


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    I will check that out.

    I will check that out. I have been told that there may be a way to repeal the open carry ban law with a citizens initiative ballot process and that there may be others who would support this effort. I am open to all options to restore our constitutional rights.

    Maurice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maurice View Post
    A deputy sheriff in San Diego County, California recently informed law abiding gun owners that no holstered handguns will be permitted beginning January 1st, 2012. I just checked and discovered that California Assembly Bill 144 was passed by the state Senate on September 8, 2011 and signed into law by Governor Schwartzenegger.

    I am outraged by this, especially since I live in a rural area where snakes and other dangerous animals abound. If I cannot quickly defend myself, my family and friends against such attacks, then we will become defenseless. But, most importantly, is the violation of our Constitutional rights to own and bear arms. The government may feel that it is necessary to protect the people from assault weapons, but I cannot understand how there is any justification for preventing law abiding citizens from openly carrying an unloaded pistol in a holster. Is there any way to prevent this law from taking effect?

    Maurice Osborn
    You need to pass this on to the Calguns Foundation. As has already been indicated, even after January 1st 2012, there will be nothing illegal about carrying an exposed firearm in unincorporated territory where discharge has not been prohibited. The deputy should be corrected on the scope of the law and where it applies.

    This law was NOT signed by Arnold Schwartzenegger- but by our current governor Jerry Brown.
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