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Inquest in Costco shooting to be televised

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I think a threshold legal issue to begin with is whether the facts created reasonable articulable suspicion for the police to enage in any sort of non-consensual encounter to begin with - granted, he was reported to be carrying a concealed handgun because of accidental exposure/printing, and, that in Nevada this is acrime absent a pemrit to conceal.

But the US Supreme Court in Delaware v. Prouse (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=440&invol=648) held that except where there is at least articulable and reasonable suspicion that a motorist is unlicensed or that an automobile is not registered, or that either the vehicle or an occupant is otherwise subject to seizure for violation of law, stopping an automobile and detaining the driver in order to check his driver's license and the registration of the automobile are unreasonable under the Fourth Amendment.

Analogizing gun carry licenses to driver's licenses would seem to lead to a similar conclusion - police cannot seize citizens carrying guns to check for gun licenses absent reasonable articulable suspicion that the person is either not licensed or is comitting or about to commit a crime.
 
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Character assassination begins

Anybody see the smear campaign for the deceased man has begun in the papers? Quoting his ex-wife as saying he was self destructive, etc.

Anything to taint the jury pool, I guess.
 
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According to my information, the inquest will also be streamed live on the internet by MyNews3.com.
 
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I hope the 3 cops are fired...atleast. and the mgr and security guard should face civil lawsuits.
 
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eb31 said:
I hope the 3 cops are fired...atleast. and the mgr and security guard should face civil lawsuits.
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Highly doubtful the LEO will face any repercussion from this, the historical outcome of inquests dictate this. Sadly the most the family can expect is a civil suit and a settlement unfortunately this does not bring back their son. I have no faith in the inquest process, and the way Metro conducts themselves is Gestapo at the very least. This isnt the first incident nor will it be the last to receive national recognition. This also wont be the last time an incident like this happens.
 
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Son of a Gun! The link I posted requires Real Player to view the stream. Guess I will have to watch it tonight on the archives when I get home. For those of you who are willing to load Real Player on the PC's the Inquest starts in 45 minutes.
 
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Looks like CCTV4 is having some Trouble, the inquest is not on yet. They's just had a screen saying "stand by for live coverage of todays coroner's inquest" and some elevator music playing for the past 20 minutes.

Perhaps the Officers need to make last minute preparations to ensure that their fabricated stories are all the same.

Also the streming video server has reached it's maximum capacity so it looks as if there is a huge interest in this one. BTW, It's finally starting on TV at 10:48
 
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Go to 8newsnow.com for streaming video. the link will be in red.

Sorry about the other link ... apparently they don't have the money to pump the bandwidth link the news company. They will have it archived for your viewing pleasure later tonight though... so that's something at least?
 
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I like how they try to paint him as a drug addict, yet fail to provide any hard information on how this chemical dependency would have make him go to "Beserk", something that only the security tape can actually prove.
 
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They are trying to poison the jury with things that don't matter. The question ultimately boils down to either Scott posed an immediate threat or he didn't. Everything else is just song and dance. Remember, the Process is designed to get cops off the hook. So far, this is the only possible outcome unless there is a bombshell revelation like a video taken by a witness that shows Scott never drew his weapon or even made a move towards it. If such a video existed, the cameraman could name his own price and the DA would likely pay it to keep it under wraps.
 
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Why would he carry when taking so many narcotics including morphine? I am not saying that justifies shooting him.
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Probably for the same reason people drive when they are "only a little buzzed," or flat out drunk: because they are dumb. People who drink or do drugs should never be in possession of ANY weapon. That includes guns, knives, cars, or anything else.

This guy had LETHAL doses of several drugs in his system. I second the opinion that a shooting was not justified in that particular sense, but still... this guy was out like Michael J. Fox playing Operation.
 
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Bravo_Sierra said:
Probably for the same reason people drive when they are "only a little buzzed," or flat out drunk: because they are dumb. People who drink or do drugs should never be in possession of ANY weapon. That includes guns, knives, cars, or anything else.

This guy had LETHAL doses of several drugs in his system. I second the opinion that a shooting was not justified in that particular sense, but still... this guy was out like Michael J. Fox playing Operation.
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The DA thanks you for taking his bait. that "lethal dose" was was relevant to people who have not taken or developed a tolerance to it. They said that several times. Again, all of this is beside the point. Remember, this inquest as stated by the judge, "is intended to be a fact finding proceeding to determine the facts surrounding the death of Erik Scott."

This BS about the dog bite should be ended by the judge right now. It has no bearing on the incident whatsoever. Neither did his marital history, or anything else that didn't immediately pertain to his death.

Take notes everyone, because if you ever use your firearm in self defense, these are the tactics they will use to prove that you're a murderer, instead of a law abiding citizen acting in self defense.
 
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