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    POT and Firearms... oh boy

    I know a lot of people that smoke pot, I don't. I do drink though.
    I don't drink to get drunk but occasionally it happens.
    You wouldn't handle firearms while your drunk right?
    Pot does alter your mind just like alcohol.

    I personally have no problems legalizing pot but whether you believe pot should be legal or not, you shouldn't handle firearm while smoking.. just like alcohol.

    You have to admit.. pot does hinder your clarity of thought.



    (started new from "First ever encounter at my apartments" thread)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mapnapkin View Post
    You wouldn't handle firearms while your drunk right?
    I avoid handling firearms and driving while drinking, along with anything else that seems ill-advised.

    I personally have no problems legalizing pot but whether you believe pot should be legal or not, you shouldn't handle firearm while smoking.. just like alcohol.
    Does anyone on this forum actually disagree on this point? I certainly don't.

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    Why do we keep talking about this?!
    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -John Stuart Mill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mapnapkin View Post
    I don't drink to get drunk but occasionally it happens.
    You lost me right there. "I don't... it happens" lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by killchain View Post
    Why do we keep talking about this?!
    sorry, I'm new

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave_pro2a View Post
    You lost me right there. "I don't... it happens" lol
    fair enough, stupid comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mapnapkin View Post
    sorry, I'm new



    fair enough, stupid comment
    Sorry. It's just that this topic comes up almost daily.
    "War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -John Stuart Mill

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    and unfortunately it keeps getting brought up...over and over again...

    No offense to the OP he was just trying to "re rail" a topic that had gone DRASTICALLY off topic....
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    I don't like the topic, but I've never responded.
    When I'm inebriated I'm with family. I don't carry on me, but I put it in a place that is safe and the right people always know where it is. I do occasionally take the .22 double action out late at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryk45XD View Post
    I don't like the topic, but I've never responded.
    When I'm inebriated I'm with family. I don't carry on me, but I put it in a place that is safe and the right people always know where it is. I do occasionally take the .22 double action out late at night.
    I have never lost a friend due to a pot related accident, I have lost many due to alcohol. I dont condone pot, because it is against the law. If it were legal, which I would rather see and alcohol outlawed, then yay. Until then pot, alcohol, or any other mind altering prescribed or non-prescribed substance should not be mixed with firearms, or vehicles or heavy equipment.
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    or loose women.....
    "And shepherds we shall be, for Thee, my Lord, for Thee.
    Power hath descended forth from Thy hand, that our feet may swiftly carry out Thy command.
    So we shall flow a river forth to Thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be.
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    "If the rest of the world says: 'War,' I can only say: 'Very well. I do not want war, but no one, however peaceable, can live in peace if his neighbor intends to force a quarrel.'" - Adolf Hitler...

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    What it boils down to is personal responsibility. Do you know how you react to substances? Do you know exactly how much and how it affects you? For some, four beers won't hinder judgment at all, but for others, two may severely impair judgment. Specifically addressing a situation in one's own home: It's safer not to partake in any sort of mind altering substance while carrying, but if one does, it's safer not to carry. In public, DO NOT CARRY WHILE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF ANY SUBSTANCE!

    I don't drink anywhere outside of my own home and outside of a very select few friends' homes. I know my own limits and don't exceed them. When it comes down to a choice between being under the influence and being protected, I choose being protected.

    What if someone breaks into my house at 4am while I'm drunk? What then? Judgment is impaired, aim may be out of whack, and reaction times are definitely drastically increased. Bad scenario.

    What if someone breaks into my house at 4am while I'm sober? Bad scenario, but better than the first. At least I can make a sound judgment call on whether to shoot or not, I can aim, and my reaction time is most likely relatively close to when I'm on the range.

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    What a topic for a 2nd Amendment Group that keeps telling the public they are law abiding and responsible in society and yet SOME promote partaking in illegal drugs.

    FRIGGIN STUPID

    Thankfully there are more here that do not promote this stupidity.
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    We cannot, with any semblance of integrity, ask the police to follow laws when some on the board zealously advocate the breaking of other statues. We are quick to point out RCWs to the police when they are out of line yet fail to yield to our own standards when it comes to illicit drug use. It would not be out of the question for an investigative reporter or a New Age Snoop (blogger) with less than honorable intentions to come on here take your pro marijuana stance and run with it. Only to convert what you deem to be a harmless statement and political position on pot and brush our organization as one that haphazardly condones the mixture of illicit drug use and gun play.
    Let us here no more of this in the open or at a minimum PM each other. Thats my .02.

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    I do not consume alcohol, or any type of drugs. If I did, I would lock my firearms up.

    IMO, anyone who drinks to the point of intoxication or smoke marijuana to the point of uncontrollable munchies are opening themselves up to a dangerous situation. Firearms, whether locked up or not are like fuel to fire when someone is out of control, yes, drinking or smoking causes a person to be out of control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovenox View Post
    We cannot, with any semblance of integrity, ask the police to follow laws when some on the board zealously advocate the breaking of other statues. We are quick to point out RCWs to the police when they are out of line yet fail to yield to our own standards when it comes to illicit drug use. It would not be out of the question for an investigative reporter or a New Age Snoop (blogger) with less than honorable intentions to come on here take your pro marijuana stance and run with it. Only to convert what you deem to be a harmless statement and political position on pot and brush our organization as one that haphazardly condones the mixture of illicit drug use and gun play.
    Let us here no more of this in the open or at a minimum PM each other. Thats my .02.
    You beat me to it. I guess it's a matter of "abide by the laws we agree with, to hell with the rest".

    If we don't like the laws that we have there are three choices. Go ahead and follow them, Change them, or CHANGE THE PEOPLE THAT MAKE THEM.

    If all the energy that is put into complaining about our "pot" laws was redirected into changing the idiots that occupy our Congress and Legislatures we'd see some real progress.

    I totally agree that people should be allowed to do what they want, right up to the point that their actions place me in jeopardy. If you want to smoke enough pot so that in comparison to you Tommy Chong looks like a genius, great. Just don't go out in public with your gun or car. Since so far most people haven't demonstrated their ability to control their actions when stoned. I guess we'll be stuck with these laws.

    Everyone sees laws like this as an infringement on their "Rights". I see it as a way of preventing someone from infringing on my number one right. The right to not be killed by someone who's under the influence of a mind altering substance.

    Don't like it, then do what you can to get the law changed.
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    Before I pop the top on my first beer, I lock my firearm up. No chance of an accident that way.
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    "Man who stand on toilet, high on pot!!!!!"


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    Oh yeah, inebriated for me is a beer. Usually a six pacl will last me about a week. I might have up to 3 at times though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDave View Post
    What a topic for a 2nd Amendment Group that keeps telling the public they are law abiding and responsible in society and yet SOME promote partaking in illegal drugs.

    FRIGGIN STUPID

    Thankfully there are more here that do not promote this stupidity.
    Again...where??? Who is promoting???

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    Calm down people!!!

    The OP doesn't promote smoking pot! He's simply pointing out that he feels firearms shouldn't be handled while someone is under its influence, just like alcohol.
    Call the dogs off people!

    I knew this would become a thread of its own. It's been a hot side topic on many other threads.

    (btw- nice pic mapnapkin!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrossBow33 View Post
    Again...where??? Who is promoting???
    Nobody is promoting, but there are people on here who are afraid of open frank discussion.
    Why wouldn't constitutional loving free people want to talk about getting rid of unconstitutional laws.

    But there are presidents who advocating breaking laws.

    "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."

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    Abraham Lincoln put it best though.

    "Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."

    Abraham Lincoln

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    And yet we still have pot smoking supporters come out of the woodwork, so tell us how does it support Open Carry or any form of Carry for that matter?

    Before responding open a window first, maybe the smoke will clear out first and give some clarity in your lives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SVG
    "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."

    Thomas Jefferson

    Abraham Lincoln put it best though.

    "Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."

    Abraham Lincoln
    And you think they were talking about drugs and here I thought liberals were bad about stretching the truth.
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    Dave, we get your approach.

    And remember even you have broken the law.

    RCW 70.54.050

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    </B>Every person who shall wilfully expose himself to another, or any animal affected with any contagious or infectious disease, in any public place or thoroughfare, except upon his or its necessary removal in a manner not dangerous to the public health; and every person so affected who shall expose any other person thereto without his knowledge, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
    [1909 c 249 287; RRS 2539.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    And remember even you have broken the law.

    RCW 70.54.050

    RCW 70.54.050

    Exposing contagious disease Penalty.



    </B>Every person who shall wilfully expose himself to another, or any animal affected with any contagious or infectious disease, in any public place or thoroughfare, except upon his or its necessary removal in a manner not dangerous to the public health; and every person so affected who shall expose any other person thereto without his knowledge, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.
    [1909 c 249 287; RRS 2539.]

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