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    Is it just me?

    I deal with a certain bit of paranoia occasionally, and was wondering if it is just me or if some of you others feel like this also? I thought about this again today after stopping at a rest stop on the way to Bellingham. I got this real uneasy feeling as I stood at the urinal with Mr. Winky in full stream as three guys walked in and stood there waiting, cause all the stalls and stands were full. I dont like having my back to people with my junk in my hand (I'm getting older and it's not as easy just to stop and continue later). I think there should be mirrors up at eye level so you can see whats behind you or coming at you. Just thought I'd throw that out, maybe it's just me...and yes I do use the stalls when they are available. Rest stops and Wal-mart's just seem to not be my happy place's.
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    I am right there with you AMZ I get, not really an uneasy feeling, but a "hyper alert" feeling when my back is turned to unknown people.

    In your case might I recommend a pair of those "backward looking mirror sunglass type thingies?"

    http://www.amazon.com/Rearview-Sungl.../dp/B0006GK6W0
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    lol always wanted those as a kid!

    But anyways, I'm definitely on the alert when I'm at the stall too. I'll usually take the farthest one away from the door, so at least I've got a bit of reaction time. Could always use the sh**ter too...though I haven't ever done it myself. Definitely safer.

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    Let's dedicate this thread to all those jaded OCers who thought they'd already seen every possible topic discussed!
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    One good reason for a shoulder holster. The gun's already pointed back, just clear the holster enough to access the trigger.

    As for "stopping" that would be the last thing on my mind. Just turn around and hose down their legs/shoes. Should provide enough distraction to allow you to employ other defensive methods. You could also practice holding your pistol in your right hand and your other "weapon" in your left. If attacked you could merely wheel around and let them have it with both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Warden View Post
    Let's dedicate this thread to all those jaded OCers who thought they'd already seen every possible topic discussed!
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    Only men could come up with a topic like this.

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    LOL @ Thread.

    In a related question, what do you guys do with your gun when you have to squat? I mean, lots of places don't have a shelf / suitable toilet paper holder / or back on the toilet to rest it. I don't want to leave it just flopping in the urine and who knows what else on the ground.

    The best I can come up with, if all else fails, is to use the handicapped stall and wedge the gun and holster between the grab bar and the wall. It's reasonably clean and secure.

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    I'm right there too. In that situation I ease my strong side elbow over my sidearm and use my left hand for business. Then I do my best to pay attention over my shoulder without actually looking. I seek out the reflections in the wall tiles and plumbing. My awareness level severely jumps. I listen to conversations and foot steps. I focus more on where people are and what their tone of voice is saying. I mentally prepare myself for having to suddenly defend myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knight_308 View Post
    LOL @ Thread.

    In a related question, what do you guys do with your gun when you have to squat? I mean, lots of places don't have a shelf / suitable toilet paper holder / or back on the toilet to rest it. I don't want to leave it just flopping in the urine and who knows what else on the ground.

    The best I can come up with, if all else fails, is to use the handicapped stall and wedge the gun and holster between the grab bar and the wall. It's reasonably clean and secure.
    I put my pistol right in my underwear, while sitting on the porcelan god, playing bombs over Tokyo. Cant ever forget your weapon in a stall that way, and hard to pull your pants up with it there, after all there not enough room for two barrels.
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    Had an off duty cop wait until I went into the A&W's bathroom before coming in to wash his hands and, after stating he knew open carry was legal, starting to ask questions about about whether or not I had a carry permit, how did I get to the A&W, where did I come from.

    There I stood with my normally concealed shortarm in hand trying to verbally deflect a devious cop hoping to find me in violation of something or other just because he noticed my normally openly carried sidearm.

    And he was devious because I'm sure he knew recording a conversation in a bathroom... with other users present... would be illegal unless I got permission from everyone in there, including him, so he knew there wouldn't be a record of the conversation admissible in court. And the leading questions were intentional. But when I didn't answer his questions but started asking him if he was "fishing" with his questions .... he suddenly decided to leave the bathroom.

    And I also get hyper alert when my back is to strangers whether draining my shortarm or just sitting in a restaurant... or anywhere really.

    For those occasions requiring the use of a stall..... There is always a paper dispenser to set the gun on... even just the roll works... if there is a roll... if there isn't a roll of paper there is a different, somewhat messy, problem.
    Gun control isn't about the gun at all.... for those who want gun control it is all about their own fragile egos, their own lack of self esteem, their own inner fears, and most importantly... their own desire to dominate others. And an openly carried gun is a slap in the face to all of those things.

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    If caught in this situation at the urinal just turn around and pee on their shoes, they will back off

    On a serious note, it is a concern I feel many of us have and right fully so, having a level 2 retention holster should help or just waiting for a stall to open up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    And he was devious because I'm sure he knew recording a conversation in a bathroom... with other users present... would be illegal unless I got permission from everyone in there, including him, so he knew there wouldn't be a record of the conversation admissible in court. And the leading questions were intentional. But when I didn't answer his questions but started asking him if he was "fishing" with his questions .... he suddenly decided to leave the bathroom.
    You could legally record in the bathroom when being questioned by a cop. He is conducting official business, and there is no longer an expectation of privacy.
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    I need to get a different holster, mine is a bladetech, with two screws that put pressure on the trigger gaurd. Thats the only thing that holds my firearm in the holster. I dont like that in itself, but not many holsters fit my firearm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Warden View Post
    You could legally record in the bathroom when being questioned by a cop. He is conducting official business, and there is no longer an expectation of privacy.
    OMFG, STOP.

    That is NOT true.

    For the eleventy billionth time, point to ONE case that says anything close to that. You will NOT find it.

    The WA case involving that, had to do with an officer IN PUBLIC. The ruling merely reaffirmed that there is no expectation of privacy on a public street, where the recording took place. The officers THEMSELVES testified that they didn't think their actions/speech were private at the time. There IS an expectation of privacy in a bathroom, although one could argue that there is not one in the common areas of the bathroom, there definitely would be one in a stall...

    Stop with the whole 'He's on official business so I can do what I want' crap... It's gonna get people arrested..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoWeenie View Post
    OMFG, STOP.

    That is NOT true.

    For the eleventy billionth time, point to ONE case that says anything close to that. You will NOT find it.

    The WA case involving that, had to do with an officer IN PUBLIC. The ruling merely reaffirmed that there is no expectation of privacy on a public street, where the recording took place. The officers THEMSELVES testified that they didn't think their actions/speech were private at the time. There IS an expectation of privacy in a bathroom, although one could argue that there is not one in the common areas of the bathroom, there definitely would be one in a stall...

    Stop with the whole 'He's on official business so I can do what I want' crap... It's gonna get people arrested..
    I don't care enough to argue with you, but I personally would have no problem recording. Do what you want. Suffice to say, though, that if public restrooms were no-holds-barred audio-recording-free interrogation zones, then cops would routinely force people into already-occupied restrooms to interrogate them. (That's called reductio ad absurdum, for those keeping score at home.)

    What I would really do, though, is simply ask the cop if I was under arrest. Assuming the answer is negative, I would decline to answer any questions, especially while peeing!
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    I take my handgun out of the holster and place it, safety on, in the toilet seat cover thingy. It fits perfect LOL! Before I leave i always look at my holster to make sure I put my sidearm back in it. My worse fear is forgetting my sidearm in the toilet seat cover bin

    I stopped leaving my sidearm in the holster...I was in Wholefoods ladies restroom a couple of years ago. I decided to leave my semi-S&W Sigma in the holster, lost hold of my pants, and my sidearm fell out of the holster...there were people in each stall beside me. i said, "sorry about that." No one said anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    I take my handgun out of the holster and place it, safety on, in the toilet seat cover thingy. It fits perfect LOL! Before I leave i always look at my holster to make sure I put my sidearm back in it. My worse fear is forgetting my sidearm in the toilet seat cover bin

    I stopped leaving my sidearm in the holster...I was in Wholefoods ladies restroom a couple of years ago. I decided to leave my semi-S&W Sigma in the holster, lost hold of my pants, and my sidearm fell out of the holster...there were people in each stall beside me. i said, "sorry about that." No one said anything.
    I hate when that happens
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    Quote Originally Posted by amzbrady View Post
    I put my pistol right in my underwear, ... Cant ever forget your weapon in a stall that way, and hard to pull your pants up with it there, after all there not enough room for two barrels.
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    I agree with Bob.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bikenut View Post
    And he was devious because I'm sure he knew recording a conversation in a bathroom... with other users present... would be illegal unless I got permission from everyone in there, including him, so he knew there wouldn't be a record of the conversation admissible in court. And the leading questions were intentional. But when I didn't answer his questions but started asking him if he was "fishing" with his questions .... he suddenly decided to leave the bathroom.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Warden View Post
    You could legally record in the bathroom when being questioned by a cop. He is conducting official business, and there is no longer an expectation of privacy.
    Simply ask him on tape "are you on duty conducting official business in this public bathroom?"

    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoWeenie View Post
    OMFG, STOP.

    That is NOT true.

    For the eleventy billionth time, point to ONE case that says anything close to that. You will NOT find it.

    The WA case involving that, had to do with an officer IN PUBLIC. The ruling merely reaffirmed that there is no expectation of privacy on a public street, where the recording took place. The officers THEMSELVES testified that they didn't think their actions/speech were private at the time. There IS an expectation of privacy in a bathroom, although one could argue that there is not one in the common areas of the bathroom, there definitely would be one in a stall...

    Stop with the whole 'He's on official business so I can do what I want' crap... It's gonna get people arrested..
    At the point I have asked the question above, unless the officer lies, he will affirm the fact that he is conducting official police business in public.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Warden View Post
    I don't care enough to argue with you, but I personally would have no problem recording. Do what you want. Suffice to say, though, that if public restrooms were no-holds-barred audio-recording-free interrogation zones, then cops would routinely force people into already-occupied restrooms to interrogate them. (That's called reductio ad absurdum, for those keeping score at home.)

    What I would really do, though, is simply ask the cop if I was under arrest. Assuming the answer is negative, I would decline to answer any questions, especially while peeing!
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    Paranoid?

    I am not paranoid, I have the gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gogodawgs View Post
    I am not paranoid, I have the gun.
    +1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beretta92FSLady View Post
    lost hold of my pants, and my sidearm fell out of the holster... there were people in each stall beside me. I said, "sorry about that." No one said anything.
    LOL!!!!!
    Thanks for the laugh.
    I mean, really, what _can_ you say when a gun appears on the floor of the stall next to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MKEgal View Post
    LOL!!!!!
    Thanks for the laugh.
    I mean, really, what _can_ you say when a gun appears on the floor of the stall next to you?
    Nice piece, what caliber?

    Er, On second thought, might not be the best line in a public bathroom
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    ND!

    michigander allowed his tokarev to fall as he lowered his pants,,,
    he took a 7.62X25 thru the leg,,,into the wall.
    his gun has a firing pin block, shouldnt be able to fire, but his did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1245A Defender View Post
    michigander allowed his tokarev to fall as he lowered his pants,,,
    he took a 7.62X25 thru the leg,,,into the wall.
    his gun has a firing pin block, shouldnt be able to fire, but his did.
    Thats why if I have to cop a squat and unload, I put my pistol in the crouch of my skivies, to much wieght when you undo the belt, Besides I dont like the idea of anything I own but the bottoms of my shoes touching the floor in johns. There are too many who have a major problem hitting that 12 inch hole (nasty B@$tards). I reholster as I'm getting up and yarding my drawers back up.
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